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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 08:47 PM
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Brzezinski: The Baker Commission ‘Will Offer Some Procrastination Ideas For Dealing With The Crisis’
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/26/brzezinski-baker/

Today on CNN, Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski issued a strong, preemptive criticism of the Baker Commission studying alternatives for Iraq. Brzezinski said that while the commission “will probably come out with some sound advice on dealing with the neighborhood,” it essentially “will offer some procrastination ideas for dealing with the crisis.”

Brzezinski added that “This is a mistaken, absolutely historically wrong undertaking. The costs are prohibitive. If we get out sooner, there will be a messy follow-up after we leave. It will be messy, but will not be as messy as if we stay.” Watch it:

Henry Kissinger, appearing on CNN with Brzezinski, said that “my attitude will be to support any bipartisan conclusion that would be arrived at” by the Baker commission. Brzenzinski countered “And I’ve been arguing this on your program with Henry for the last three years. And I invite viewers to go on the Internet and look what we have been saying, respectively.”

American Progress has a plan to stop procrastinating Iraq, Strategic Redeployment.

I have been thinking this for a while, that the Baker commission will put off until the 2008 election the question of Iraq if they can, so that it will be someone else's problem and not the Decider's problem. I think this because there is no one on the Baker Commission with any Iraq experience.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:08 PM
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1. Ya think?
Its the last recourse for course staying. Six months to think about it, then another six months to get it ready, then another six months to try it out and then lo and behold aint we right up against another election?

Meanwhile our crimes will mount. Every person killed in this conflict is blood on our hands.
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:21 PM
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21. Baker is on the Carlyle-11th largest US Defense Contractor Corp.-Board!!
They are major profiteers of this bloody, illegal war. Absolutely they will procrastinate-they are richer each day war continues!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:11 PM
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2. When doing nothing constructive - hold a meeting.
America is becoming more and more irrelevant in the Middle East as the locals take charge. We are now reduced to the common enemy.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:44 AM
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17. a small correction.
The FIRST move is to ask whether a problem exists. When it becomes painfully clear that it does, THEN, you create a commission.
After you create the commission, you deal with the staffing problems caused by the political bent and bias about the one key member that might add rational, experienced and knowledgable advice, effectively removing that person, or defanging their opinion.
Only then will you hold a meeting.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:15 PM
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3. I think it is because
none of the people on the commission want the Liberals to look good in any circumstance. Corporatism underlies all these commission participants.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:31 PM
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4. I Think You're on to It
Only allowing options that make Republicans look good is going to leave the Commission in an impossible position.

I would favor staying longer only if it would minimize Sunni-Shiite violence and prevent a bloodbath. Bringing the insurgent groups in to negotiate a settlement is the only thing that might help that along. And somehow, I think that would be prevented by the desire to save face.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 11:45 PM
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9. It won't.
But if insurgents successfully storm the Green Zone, it will be moot, won't it?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:35 AM
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11. Yes, It Will
If the government falls, it is moot. That's why there's not a lot of time to work out something between all the parties. I just hope that someone on that stupid Baker Commission has half a brain.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:37 PM
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6. They'd rather look bad themselves? Because they ultimately will.
The American people and the World will see them for the Corporatist that they are.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:34 PM
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5. "..an absolutely historically wrong undertaking."
Well duh! Actually, I'm glad to hear him say it, though I trust Brzezinski as far as I can throw him. Brzezinski is probably just unhappy that Bush didn't focus on Central Asia.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 11:46 PM
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10. Hey, if it's the only thing he ever got right, give him credit!
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 10:55 PM
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7. It is disgraceful that Bush has got us into this mess in Iraq
Bush should be booted out now, not waiting for some silly commission
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 11:44 PM
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8. Brzezinski has no credibility whatsoever. Ask him how his career pimping
his TV show for $5,000 per sponsor went, would you?

Redstone
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fredrickdouglas Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:42 AM
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16. True, Brzezinski Has No Cred But Not Because He's A Pimp
but because he fights for the same imperialist system that GW and the rest of them want. Z-Big is an empire loving-people killer as well. His schtick is that democracy shouldn't be junked (the neo-con recipe) but subverted (so that it's still there but won't crank).

Z-Big is of the Clinton school. A real imperialist that wants not just to get rich but to keep the ruling class around long after he's gone. He's bent on retaining the ruling capitalist order. That's the only reason he criticizes GW and his folks.
So I guess Z-Big actually does have cred, just not the kind I'd think would make him a lot of fans here.








But I could be wrong about that.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:47 AM
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18. zbig was the only public figure questioning the CIA estimates on USSR
He went out on a limb and stated that Poland would be free soon (it was, but too late for Gerald Ford) at the same time that he said the USSR would fall apart.

If I recall, he was scoffed at rather strongly by those holding the "conventional wisdom"

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:03 AM
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12. Baker is a CROOK and a Traitor
and so is KISSENGER, who can't get on a plane if he's not SURE it will not land in one of the many countries that will ARREST him for being a WAR CRIMINAL..

This is a big bait and switch, and once again the Right Wing is IN CONTROL of the 'Conversation' ABOUT this crisis.

Where are the people screaming that these guys are Poppy's CROOKED Pals, REPRESENTING the Saudis and that they ALL stand to make MONEY?

Why is BAKER the end all be all?

Horseshit, they are CROOKS!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:46 AM
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15. Bingo!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:21 AM
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13. Republicans will use their media to burn Dems with Iraq quagmire
"no plan"
"cut&run"
"staying the course anyway"
There's no good way out so we havta get out NOW.

Blame Republicans 100%, even for the vote that Dems were duped into with lies.
I hope Dems say it repeatedly.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:23 AM
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14. I've been saying this for years, but does Larry King ask me to be on his show?
Noooooooooo! Must be because I'm just an average, intelligent American.:banghead:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 09:47 AM
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19. perhaps next time the US govt. will read the manual on how to fight a war
Only fools go into a war without any exit atrategy. It is nearly 2007 and the invasion was in 2003!
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 10:09 AM
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20. I think the rest of the world is happy to see the great last gasps of imperialism floundering
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 10:11 AM by oc2002
As the blood of our military and the capital is wasted on a war that is already lost, the rest of the world sits back and waits until this country, like in a bull fight, is led around the arena and slowly bled to death and until the end, the matador drives a sword thru its skull.

Only after the collapse can we rebuild here in this country. Both parties are rotten to the core, the Republicans are sold to their corporate masters, the Democrats are too, to a lesser extent, but not far behind.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 06:37 PM
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22. A very plausible and interesting insight. Though I had initially
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 06:38 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
suspected he and Papa Bush might be bright enough to really want to contribute to the solution of the nightmare, however self-serving their motives. Personal and family damage limitation.
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