What is wrong in this picture?

[underpants]

See first post for the answer. Please post a guess at what "some people" see as the problem.

[underpants]

1. **ANSWER**

In this undated photo provided by Lisa Jensen, a wreath is seen in Pagosa Springs, Colo. Pagosa Springs Colorado homeowners are battling over whether a Christmas wreath that includes a peace sign is an anti-Iraq war protest or even a promotion of Satan. (AP Photo/provided by
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Colorado subdivision bans Christmas wreath shaped as peace sign
DENVER A homeowners association in the southwestern Colorado town of Pagosa Springs has told one of its residents to take down a Christmas wreath shaped as a peace sign, because it's "divisive."

The association's president says three or four residents have complained the wreath is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan. He says some of those complaining have children serving in Iraq.

The association has threatened Lisa Jensen with a fine of 25-dollars a day until she complies.

Jensen says she wasn't thinking about the war when she hung the wreath, calling it "a spiritual thing." She says she doesn't want to be bullied and won't take it down until after Christmas. Jensen says she doubts the association will be able to make her pay the fine.

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=5730630&nav=AbC0

[spanone]

3. God forbid we associate Peace with Christmas...

What a fucked up world.

[underpants]

4. Will the "War on Christmas" folks pick up the ball and run with it here?

Some how I doubt it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. You have got to be kidding.

I want one of these wreaths. Where can I get one? :evilgrin:

[underpants]

17. Apparently

you have to talk to oh I don't know.....SATAN!!!

[nickinSTL]

24. Satan?

:wtf:

Since when is a peace symbol a symbol of Satan?

[Geoff R. Casavant]

37. Some fundies call it the "Broken Cross"

Apparently, one initiation ritual to join a satanic coven is to take a crucifix, turn it upside down, and bend the arms downward.

I read far too many Jack Chick tracts when I was a kid.

[Sequoia]

46. Crow's Foot print which is a bird of witches

That's what we were told as kids. We just laughed at the adults and ignored them on that one.

[nickinSTL]

48. uh...riiiiiight....

:eyes:

Hollywood Satanists, I guess.

Real Satanists, such as they exist, bear no resemblance to what Hollywood portrays (and fundies apparently believe)

Members of the Church of Satan (google it, I'm at work at a Catholic university, and...would rather not track down a link on my work computer) specifically do not believe in Satan, or any deity, and if fact outright deny any possible existence of same. They call themselves Satanists as a counterpoint to the Christian god/Jesus. They do not worship Satan....and the peace sign isn't the symbol they use, either.

[DrRang]

29. Ooooh! Looks like a rammed earth or strawbale wall. Heresy!

[Beelzebud]

42. Peace is devisive. If you advocate peace, the war mongers will come and kill you.

Is that the message here?

What fucking happened to America?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

52. America ended in the 60's with three assassinations eom

[Chimichurri]

2. It's like living in Bizarro World. I can't belive a peace sign is offensive

yet dropping bombs on children for 3 years is okay.

[malaise]

10. Meanwhile the same morons want their

christ back in christmas. Guess the so called "prince of peace's" mission has now become grabbing a "piece" of that Iraq oil. This planet is overwhelmed with a malignancy of abominable ignorance.

[Pyrzqxgl]

53. Maybe Santa Claus is Satan, he's the same color

and Rudolph, and the red on Candy Canes, and all those red states, its all Satan. How about we omit the red crayon in a box of crayolas?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. war is peace; peace is war. Up is . . . .

All it takes is one squeaky wheel, an ultra-self-righteous, neoconman in the group, and this is what happens.

[no_hypocrisy]

27. Yeah, peace has universally and eternally been divisive.

:sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

38. ergo, Peace is worthy of our disdain

listening to supporters of rush limpballs, Sean inhumanity, or Bill o'Really, you'd get that impression. And, when the president-elect of the Christian coalition resigns before taking office because the leadership refuses to seek jesus' goals, well that certainly proves that these folks are nothing but bloody war-mongering hypocrites.

[xultar]

5. Who would have thought celebrating peace during the holdiays...

was cause for a fucking fight?

Just for that I'm gonna buy a peace key ring, peace necklace and peace earrings.

[underpants]

6. It's like Jesus was anti-war or something

I mean like OH MAH GAAWD!!!

[nickinSTL]

25. a patron at the local library

I work at part-time has been wearing peace earrings (and maybe other jewelry, not sure) since the invasion of Iraq, and she intends to until we're out.

[jimshoes]

7. They obviously have bought

into that lefty pinko peace on Earth propoganda.:eyes:

[flvegan]

8. It's not perfectly spaced halfway between the windows?? Is that it?

Maybe it's centered on the wall, and the windows aren't spaced exactly. Other than that, I don't see a problem, and can therefore assume that it's something as rediculous as this. Peace and her symbols shouldn't be an issue.

[H2O Man]

9. I saw a report

on this issue on the morning news. Every day, we are confronted with evidence of the extent of the social pathology that defines us as a very sick nation. This strange example speaks volumes.

[liberal N proud]

Since when has Peace had anything to do with Satan?

What a bunch of fucked up people.

[xultar]

13. They are gonna be so embarrassed when this shit hits back @ them.

God I can't wait.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. If it had the $$$ sign it would be no problem.

After all, Christmas is all about money to the corporate world, isn't it?

[hippiechick]

12. Y'know .. I heard this on the news this morning ...

.... cannot.fucking.believe.it.


Sigh. How brain-dead has this country become?


:freak: :( :shrug:

[underpants]

15. Me too

I googled it as soon as I got to my desk. Aside from the obvious question about how a peace symbol could be divisive I had no idea that the peace sign had been construed into being Satanic...but it has

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2630792&mesg_id=2630792

[CrispyQ]

23. I thought we were over the "upside down broken cross" thing.

Wasn't that debunked in the '60s????

These people are insane. Their version of reality is so warped I can't fathom how one gets to that state of mind.

[JHB]

39. Sure it was debunked. So was creationism. Debunking just bounces off...

...these people unless it's from a "trusted authority", but the only "trusted authorities" are more likely to promote this nonsense than to debunk it.

[meegbear]

16. 2 different sized windows on the side of the house ...

Bob Villa must be shaking his head.

[underpants]

22. That is widely known to be the sign of Satan as well

:evilgrin:

[KansDem]

44. It could be the one on the left is the bathroom...

I grew up in a house where the window in the bathroom was smaller than the other windows. In fact, the house I'm living in now has a smaller window in the bathroom than the rest of the house.

I don't know why, but assume it's the way of the world...

[meegbear]

54. FAH! Satan's contractors is more like it!

It's Eeeeville I tells yahs!

[Drifter]

18. I'd buy 500 of them and cover the house ...

with them.

Who ever does not want peace, should never go to war.

Cheers
Drifter

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Anyone who doesn't want to know the truth

about our country and our government.

[pooja]

21. this would be a great odd ball piece... don't you think???

[peace13]

26. Wow! We have a huge peace sign on the satellite dish

lit in white lights. It isn't even disguised as a wreath. I guess I'm lucky to live in Ohio after all. Even the Quakers have peace signs here! Peace on earth, Kim

[Nevernose]

28. I see a message from Satan

Ordering me to support terrorists and marry another man (probably a black one), right after I use my welfare riches to pay illegals to steal Americans' jobs.

[EnviroBat]

30. That extension cord is not rated for outdoor use.

This is clearly a code violation. Unless said extension cord has been properly insulated with a 19-inch swath of hill-billy chrome with a stickiness factor of no less than grade 2, said extension cord must be stapled at 3-inch increments with staples sufficient to penetrate mounting wall at a depth of no fewer than 5 inches.

I'm gonna be a GREAT home inspector!

[soup]

34. AND there's no authorized permit form #USpop463-d28 posted!

Please note any outdoor display of lights must be accompanied by a duly authorized permit #USpop463-d28.

In order to obtain said permit, please contact Captain Kernoodlehead.


In the event Captain Kernoodlehead denies said permit, you may appear before the committee and apply for a variance.


A determination will be made by the committee.


God bless America.

[Quantess]

51. that photo of the pro-war rally:

I'm sorry, that's a pathetic and laughable turnout. That got televised? Many, many anti-war protests with tens of thousands of people, were not televised.

edited for boldness.

[EnviroBat]

55. Thanks soup, I was hoping someone would play along today...

Hehehehe.

[The Deacon]

31. "Homeowners Association" = "Fascism In America"

You couldn't GIVE me a house which had a Homeowners Association attached - historically a way to keep Blacks, Jews, Hispanics & other "undesirables" out.

[mondo joe]

32. I agree. I don't know why anyone would choose to be part of one.

[Kerrytravelers]

33. I think every one of us should get or make ourselves one of these!

[Rhythm]

35. i was thinking the same thing...

my father-in-law makes wreaths out of wild grapevine and pine boughs... i'm going to enlist him to help make a few to give out here around town.

:hippie: HOA's are the real Satan... :evilgrin:

[soup]

36. It's time for a new one.

Made this in 2002 - a 8' length of pvc pipe, wrapped with 4 strands of 100 lights. It was a beacon of hope in the lead-up to the invasion, put up as part of our Christmas decorations, and left up until

the 2004 election, when I, um, sorta freaked out - took it down, sat on the kitchen floor weeping and raging, and armed with a pair of kitchen scissors and lopping shears, completely destroyed it.

2006. Hope lives again.

My neighbors no longer sport a gazillion flags and flag decals, and the POWER OF PRIDE and Bush/Cheney stickers are long gone.

Yep, it's time.

[BrotherBuzz]

40. The only thing that bothers me about that photo is the damn extension cord

but that's just the aesthetic Luddite in me speaking.

[peekaloo]

41. Satan's pitchfork in that circle of Hell is upside down!

:mad:

:silly:

[stepnw1f]

43. These Same Idiots Who See the Peace Sign as a Symbol of the Devil...

need to look at the GOP's logo and explain to America why they support a political orginization that places Pentagrams on an elephant. Afterall, the stars are upside down.... they even look like Pentagrams.... maybe the GOP's logo is demonic too?

[Blackhatjack]

45. Symbols only have the meaning People assign to them, which often differ...

Having travelled outside the US it was surprising to discover that seemingly innocuous hand signals we use everyday here are particularly offensive there. So the argument that symbols have universal meaning is not always true.

I just wonder how symbols can be barred "because of their meaning" since the meaning the individual attaches to it and those who see it may be completely different.

Words that incite insurrection or rioting are different since there is general agreement as to what words mean, but symbols are a totally different matter. Unless a symbol is inescapably connected to a group or movement advocating insurrection or rioting, there is general rule in favor of banning symbols.

Most sign ordinances and regulations that 'impinge upon' the display of symbols usually concentrate on the physical aspects of the signage, and not the content of the message related by the symbol. Color, size, location, architectural issues, are all considerations, but content is not a legitimate basis for the banning of same subject to the exceptions mentioned above.

[stepnw1f]

47. You Are Putting Too Much Thought into This

Peace is the Antithesis of War. They don't like it one bit, even if this woman was not making a statement about the war. It didn't matter because the Peace sign means peace and not War.

[Blackhatjack]

50. I was addressing how the conflict is likely to be framed & resolved...n/t

[MiniMe]

49. Whatever happened to Peace on Earth Good Will toward Men?

Thats a pretty traditional Christmas greeting. Would they object to that too??