Hillary's 2008 Run

[MessiahRp]

So at Thanksgiving I was talking to my christian-right (and I mean far far right) future mother in law who usually never cedes any ground in arguments, although I had her dead to rights and she caved.

One thing I got her to admit was that no matter how much she is baited by them, no Republican will actually bring a bill to vote on that will actually ban abortion. I pointed out the large majority they had for 6 years and how they never even made an attempt at it. She agreed that they will never vote on it but rationalized that voting for someone who does not want abortion banned somehow condones it. I tried to get her to realize she needs to vote for people based on what they will actually vote for on the floor but she flipped the ignorance switch after that.

Anyway to the point of this thread, we discussed 2008 candidates and she admitted what all of us already knew. They are salivating for a 2008 Hillary run. She admitted the she knew full well that the media is being biased to push Hillary and that Murdoch is doing Clinton fundraisers in hopes of getting her to be our nominee. Why? Because she'll bring the independents and regular conservatives that voted against Republicans this year back to their party to vote against her. She is that devisive.

Not to mention they realize that many of us on the left don't want her either and they feel more than confident that the GOP candidate will crush her.

Now she's no Washington insider but every time there has been an election her views and votes have matched up with how the right wingers have voted and that got me thinking.

I don't really want Hillary to win either. She has repeatedly sold out to the right wing to try to portray herself as centrist when every pundit on TV will call her a liberal. She was wrong and continues to be wrong on the Iraq war which Americans have zero want to continue and she is constantly pushing her base, namely us, away in order to court the right and independents.

I figure after 2006 we should not be taken for granted.

What's your take on this?

[bryant69]

1. In a nutshel

The Right Wing hates her with a passion and will feel justified in running the dirtiest campaign in history to crush her.

The Left Wing feels, at best, indifferent to her, and most of that indiference is due to her husband and her gender. If you strip those two aspects of her out, you have a politician who is a few small steps to the left of Lieberman and who's repeated sold out party principles in order to preserve or enhance her power.

Hilary Clinton should not run in 2008. But she's an egomaniac so she probably will (to be fair, very few people who want to be president are actually humble).

Bryant
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[oasis]

2. Hillary's "devisive"? Don't look now but the whole country is devided.

Some will vote for a Democrat and some won't.

[MessiahRp]

4. That's true except

Most people divide to their political leanings. Bush is divisive and splits everyone either to the left or right of him. Even conservatives had to pick a side.

Hillary is more divisive in the sense that the far right hates her as do most conservatives, but she splits up independents and hell she even splits us apart.

Democrats and liberals as a whole usually have nuanced stances on policy but with the exception of 2000 Nader voters we usually always band together for a candidate.

Hillary is exactly the candidate that would divide us and keep many of us home on election day.

With Bush it's easy. The left hate him and right love him. With Hillary the right hates him but the left doesn't exactly love her either.

Rp

[oasis]

5. "keep many of us home on election day"

President McCain needs you to do just that.

[MessiahRp]

6. I'm not saying I will stay home

but be honest, many will. Voting for Hillary does not look, to many, like a much better option than McCain. Her positions on a lot of things make that case against her.

I have always supported the Democratic candidate but in 2008 I cannot see how it is even remotely in our best interest to run someone that will fire up what was a discouraged with their own party, base. Not to mention a candidate who will temper the enthusiasm of her own.

Rp

[Phredicles]

3. I am VERY disappointed in her;

Her pandering to the right seems pointless and foolish, alienating people who would love to support her in pursuit of those who will never, ever stop hating her. She comes across almost as Lieberman with a X chromosome. It's all the more a shame because she I think would have been an ideal candidate for a strategy of Energize the base and fuck everyone else raw (just once I'd like our side to try that one out...).

If she gets the nomination I'll vote for her, but without enthusiasm. For the primaries, she's way down on my list and I'm not even sure who all would have to have dropped out before I'd consider voting for her.

[skipos]

7. Hillary is our best chance

to get another Republican President for 4 years.

[filer]

8. I'm a progressive/liberal Democrat.

Hillary is not.