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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 12:48 PM
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Confession: I was raised as and used to be a homophobe
The talk about Michael Richards' rant made me realize something about how we are raised and how certain things that we don't really believe become ingrained in our minds, only to burst out in moments of anger or frustration.

This post (unlike a lot of my posts) is not tongue in cheek or semi-serious.

I was born and raised Catholic. We were taught from a very early age about the deviant gays. This was back in the day before the Church became a little more "accepting" of homosexuality. (My understanding of it now is that being gay isn't a sin anymore, but "acting upon it" is). Before I even lost my first milk tooth I knew the following things:
- Gay people are sick in the head
- Gay people are going to hell if they don't repent
- We should just round them all up and kill them
- Being gay is a choice that they made ("Free will")
- To be called a faggot or a queer on the playground meant a great insult

This was before I even knew all about sex. The only thing I knew about gay people were that "they slept in the same bed together", and that was wrong. Then came the teen years, and things got worse.

Turns out that a gay man is so disgusting that he would put his penis in another man's anus, or even worse, another man's mouth. Oddly, most of us born and raised homophobes didn't have much of a problem with gay women. (Surprised? I didn't think so!) I went through high school the typical homophobe. Any male in the class that displayed certain "gay tendencies" (if you will), was teased and ridiculed. He would be called a faggot, a fudge packer, a fruit, you know all the terms. Whenever a friendly insult needed to be hurled amongst buddies, these words would be prime candidates. Whenever mean spirited bullying came about, you can be 100% sure these words would be used.

Now, thankfully, I was not among the bullies. I had my own problems. People bullied me all the time for other reasons that we won't get into here. But there was one classmate who was very clearly gay and who was teased relentlessly by others. I usually laughed when that happened. I never actually teased him, but I didn't have a problem with others teasing him. Maybe it was because it took some of the heat off of me, but mostly it was because I was a homophobe, so dammit, he deserved it. Why was he acting like such a faggot? Didn't he like GIRLS?!

One day, I had the chance to talk to this person. Like I said, I was not a bully. I didn't actively insult him or ridicule him. We just had a normal conversation about whatever the fuck (I can't even remember), but somewhere along the line the conversation turned to his perceived gayness. I knew one thing I had in common with this guy is that we were both on the receiving end of the bullies. But I was still a homophobe. I became Mr. Sympathetic, telling him that he's not gay, he just thinks he is. "They just keep calling you gay, so now you think you are", I said. "Just stop acting like that", I said.

My homophobia stuck with me throughout high school. It was in university that I finally began to change. It's quite striking how quickly my change came. I remember the exact day clearly. I was sitting in a lecture of one of my elective courses. Included in this lecture was a short video about animal sexual behavior. Homosexuality had been observed in monkeys, penguins, bison, elephants, etc. I was shocked to my very core. Gay ANIMALS? I always thought being gay was something sick humans did! It occurred to me right then and there that perhaps this warranted further investigation, but I was still homophobic. I wasn't actually going to seek out information, mostly because I didn't really care one way or the other.

Then I saw the same thing on the Discovery channel about gay animals. Still, I didn't really care, but I became a little more open to the idea that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't a choice.

Then I saw gay people on CNN, demanding their rights. I saw gay rights parades. I saw protests. I saw celebrities coming out of the closet. It's not that I haven't seen these things before, but that I always just dismissed them. I realized that I didn't need a scientific explanation to be convinced. Who CARES why people are gay? Whether it's genetic or it comes from experiences, or whatever? Here are a bunch of gay people that just won't quit, that just won't stop demanding acceptance of them, that just keep on insisting that they are NOT evil, that they did NOT choose their sexual orientation.

Is being gay a choice? Shit, I didn't need a scientific explanation. All I needed to do was to ASK!

And it just so happened that years later, I encountered the very person from highschool who was teased and ridiculed. We talked about how things are going...You know, the usual stuff. "What're you up to? How have you been? Blah blah blah". He told me that he is fully out of the closet now, he has a boyfriend, and he's happy. I could tell that the only reason he told me was because he probably remembered that conversation we had those many years ago. I told him that I didn't know anything back then, that I totally get it now, and that I'm happy to see he's doing OK. I didn't ask him if he chose to be gay. I said "I know you didn't choose to be gay", and he said "I'm glad you know that". I didn't need to watch the Discovery channel or read it in a book. Here was a gay man right in front of me telling me to my face HE DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE GAY. That's really all there is to it.

If anybody thinks that the parades, the protests, the media appearances, and the court battles don't help, I want to say to everybody right now that I am living proof that they do. Not only did I change, but the very parents that passed the ignorance down to me have also changed. My father was the first one to realize it. My mother took a little bit longer, but now all three of us are on the same page. My brother and sister needed work, but they've come around as well. It wasn't really HATE or FEAR of homosexuals, it was good old fashioned IGNORANCE that afflicted us. It's not surprising that people who are educated tend to be liberal. It took university for me to finally think critically and clearly about the matter.

Everything from racism to homophobia to the Iraq war to the opposition to universal healthcare to tax cuts for the rich to anti-choice to guns to global warming to the war on terror the war on drugs the war on Christmas the war on this the war on that the war on the other....It's all rooted in ignorance. The GOP have successfully kept the powerful at the top by keeping the people ignorant. From ignorance comes fear, and from fear comes hate. If we're all busy hating others because we don't know any better, then Dick Cheney is able to make billions. Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly are able to make billions.

Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell make billions.

Exxon Mobil, pfizer, Altria, and Smith & Wesson make billions.

The Carlyle Group makes billions.

The Catholic Church makes billions.

The Saudi King makes billions.

Osama Bin Laden makes billions.

Billions upon billions upon billions upon billions for the people at the top as long as the rest of us remain ignorant.

I want to close this by saying that we are all ignorant in one way or another. I was ignorant regarding homosexuals. Some of us are ignorant regarding race. Some of us are ignorant regarding guns. Some of us are ignorant regarding abortion. It is ignorance that is our enemy. That's what it means to be a liberal, to me. Liberals hate ignorance. Sometimes we argue around here, sometimes we fight each other, sometimes we disagree, sometimes we have flamewars...But if there is one thing that we must all work together for, it's the abolition of ignorance. If we are to bring the powerful to their knees, we must attack ignorance. And when you attack ignorance, it works. It'll work on Michael Richards and it'll work on Mel Gibson. It worked during the civil war and it worked during civil rights.

It worked on me.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 12:55 PM
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1. K & R
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:01 PM
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2. whether gays, or women issues, the way we are raised has a lot
of influence on our thinking process. it is ours to get beyond that.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:02 PM
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3. thank you boolean.
thank you for sharing about yourself. We have had our arguments and I appreciate your sharing this.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:11 PM
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4. Good post
:kick:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:14 PM
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5. We're often raised to have ugly instincts
It's not unusual to be raised in an environment that cultuvates distrust or dislike of others who are "different" in one way or another.

It's a combination of socialization and an instinctive wariness of outsiders that probably goes back to caveman days.

The trick is whether one makes the effort to rise above that. That IMO is what seperates an enlightened and liberal (in the non-political sense) attitude from those who prefer to remain stuck in ignorance and bigotry.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:22 PM
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6. Good. Are you going to work on your sexism now?
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:28 PM
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9. excellent question
One has to wonder if he would have written the same kind of drivel about gay people?
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:36 PM
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12. That wasn't serious
Sometimes I post things half jokingly. A feeble attempt at dark humor, if you will. I felt like I needed to be serious this time to make up for it. :evilgrin:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:38 PM
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13. you might consider...
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 01:39 PM by VelmaD
using the sarcasm smiley or actually telling peolpe when you're "joking" because your sense of humor leaves a lot to be desired. And my question still stands...would you have posted a similar piece of drivel about gay people only "half-joking"?
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:40 PM
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17. SHHHH!
VelmaD! Your gettin' UPPITY! :sarcasm: :P
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:42 PM
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18. I'm just a man hater
:eyes:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:46 PM
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26. i really recented the hell out of the man hater comment too
went to bed last night talking to myself.... laying next to hubby in bed as quiet as i could cause he was sleeping.... snortin man hater my ass....

wink
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:45 PM
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23. ah hahahahahhahah. that is cute. and true. hm.... n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:57 PM
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32. you call?
good questions and good advice for boolean and all those who want to post ironic or sarcastic pieces without putting in a notice of such.
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:51 PM
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28. Let's put it this way
If you find the musings of http://www.maddox.xmission.com/">Maddox hilarious, then you'll understand the kind of sense of humor some of us have. He has even worse rants about women that I don't recommend you read. I think a lot of it is an internet culture/generation gap.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:54 PM
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29. andrew dice clay. a real riot for lots to enjoy the dissing of women
simply a certain kind of sense of humor.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:54 PM
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31. I find it surreal...
that you think rants about women are hilarious.

It's not about a culture gap or a generation gap. It's about sexism and how it still seems to be tolerated no matter what generation or culture you're dealing with.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:43 PM
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20. The two things are intertwined
You can't really be homophobic unless you hold women/all things not "masculine" in low regard. The essence of homophobia is contempt for those who betray the patriarchy and the roles it demands of us.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:43 PM
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21. That's what the Lounge is for.
Otherwise those kinds of posts are just pure flamebait and causes the Mods extra time and annoyance.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:44 PM
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22. actually The Lounge isn't the place...
for sexist drivel either.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:46 PM
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24. Well, I meant if it was really "satire" or "parody" or whatever--NOT
if it is true sexism--obviously.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:58 PM
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33. Thanks.
Since the OP here brings up Kramer, I would ask him to consider that other post in the same light. If a black person is the victim of repeated racist remarks coming from white people, including the N word, it's not realistic to think, as a white comedian, that you can fling that word around in an angry - or even pretend angry - rant, and hahaha black people will think it's smart and funny. It's just more stupid shit coming from white people.

Kinda like plantation owners having fun at the slave's expense. It just doesn't matter how smart and funny the plantation owner thinks he's being. People need to realize their position relative to the people they're mocking has a lot to do with how it's received.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:02 PM
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34. woot
:yourock:

:thumbsup:
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:22 PM
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7. My parents never mentioned any "groups"
while I was growing up. They never talked about sexual preferences or the color of someone's skin. I did hear some talk about religion, though. My father was atheist and my mother agnostic and I often heard my father speak about religious intolerance and I remember how horrified he was with the violence of the Old Testament.

My father was born in 1895 and was raised in a hellfire and damnation household (the cause of his atheism, no doubt), but a more tolerant man would be hard to find. Ditto for my Mom - my Dad was always proud of the way she could get along with everyone. They were more "christian" than most christians I have known.

So, no, I was not raised with prejudices. I did develop a few mild ones on my own after growing up, but I believe I overcame them long ago. I hope so. I managed to raise my kids to be accepting of others, so I guess I did okay.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:26 PM
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8. We fear and hate that which we don't understand
Good post!

:thumbsup:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:28 PM
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10. Good post
I can bet that everyone here has changed views somewhere along the line to a few different things. One reason I don't go into full attack mode here at DU over some things said is because I first give people the benefit of the doubt as to where along the line of their journey they are.

The situation with Micheal Richards is like that, sure..what the guy said was not right, but we don't know where his head is at. People here were ready to cut him into little pieces and feed him to the dogs. The guy obviously has some issues and all I can see so far is his attempts to make it right. Maybe he is a racist, but then maybe he is going to learn something and by him being a celebrity, it might open eyes to many other people who need that little nudge to change.

I only know my own background and my own life and can really only control what I think. I don't think that everyone will always think the way I do and sometimes it is best to try to understand a person before condemning them right out. We all start out somewhere and we honestly do learn to be a certain way from how we are taught. Not everyone will reach the age of 10 and all of a sudden become a perfect human being. Sometimes it takes years and experiences to teach us what is right and what is wrong.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:36 PM
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11. Same in my family until our gay cousins outted themselves.
Although those in my generation knew the secret of our cousins and siblings our parents, aunts and uncles didn't, although for the life of me I couldn't see how they could have raised these kids and not noticed. I'll always remember my mother asking me for how long did I know that my cousin Rolf (not his name) was a "tootie fruity" as she put it.
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:39 PM
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14. a sensible post, with appropriate self-reflection
personally I do not have the patience to be that expansive with the glass-house-living shouters around here. Too many of them shout their slogan or diatribe and IMHO only deserve drive-by ridicule.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:39 PM
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15. Thank-you for your incredibly honest post
K & R

:kick:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:40 PM
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16. A great post
I, too, was raised to be a homophobe and a racist.

College taught me different when my assigned roomate turned out to be gay and I discovered that by "walking in" on him. In the 9 months I lived with him that year, he purged 95% of my homophobia because he was open about it and he was there to ask questions.

The other 4% came from experience after that (dealing with being "hit on", demonstrating to old friends who came out of the closet that I was not the "old me" any more, etc.).

What's the last 1%? I must say I still feel uncomfortable watching two men kiss with moustaches (only moustaches..strangely enough). I do not express discomfort, but I feel it. It my stupid hang-up....I have a real aversion to body hair and cannot imagine kissing a moustached face (even for a woman to do it). If it is two guys, it is twice as gross (twice the hair). I know...stupid.

The racism is much the same....I still get a fear response when I see certain types of people of color (mode of dress particularly "urban"), but I do my best to act in the opposite manner to my feelings. I hope the feelings go away, too, but they unfortunately haven't.

None of what I have posted above I am particularly proud of, and I fight constantly to better myself.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:42 PM
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19. knowing you have the feelings...
and working not to act on them makes you a decent human being.
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wulfwolf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:46 PM
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25. I was as well...

I was also raised that way...

Anti-Gay, Democrat/Liberal, Minority, etc...

Kind of humorous, I'm the exact opposite now, except that I'm straight.

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:49 PM
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27. Excellent post.
It's a good step. I hope there are a few more that follow, but that doesn't detract from this post.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 01:54 PM
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30. I agree w/you that homophobia is a learned condition taught by peers...
...just like racism. It's not something we're "born with". Homophobia, like racism, is an ignorance we have to learn in order to incorporate into ourselves, therefore it's also an ignorance we can unlearn with knowledge, and the will to want to evolve into being more accepting, rather than rejecting, of another person.

Just look at young children at play. They're color-blind, and accepting of their gay uncles, and aunts until they're told "it's bad". This supports the theory that homophobia and racism is a learned ignorance, not one we're born with.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:29 PM
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35. I think if you change your user name to Eminem you'll get more support?
At least on the "man hater" treads. ;)

I do appreciate your candor and willingness to learn, however.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 02:33 PM
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36. I'm going to lock this since the
OP is now longer a member.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator
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