Looks like granny didn't shoot the cops

[antiimperialist]

I knew it. Cops might have lied again to cover their butts.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/27/atlanta.shooting/index.html

[MadMaddie]

1. In most cases I give the police the benefit of the doubt...

In this case they fucked up...either they had the wrong house or something else was going on...


This woman was afraid and to have 5 burly men kick in her door and dark clothing.....any homeowner would have done the same thing......

Is the war on drugs worth this....?

[wanpete]

2. I live in the metro Atlanta area. When I heard the story, I knew it was a lie.

What a shame to murder an elderly, scared woman and then lie about it. Looks as if they are going to get caught. FBI, GBI, and Attorney General are now all involved and entire narcotics team has been placed on leave. Bet the police dept knows a lot more than they have let on about this terrible, horrible crime.

[davepc]

3. Where does it say she didnt shoot them?

[geomon666]

5. It doesn't.

In fact the blurb under the woman's photo repeats that she fired on the cops.

[Richard Steele]

22. It doesn't. Quite a misleading headline for this thread.

[antiimperialist]

25. You are the misleading one

I said that "it looks like" she didn't shoot at them.
You asked where it said that she didn't shoot them.

[Richard Steele]

28. You seem very confused. Really quite remarkably, perplexingly CONFUSED.

The only way your response makes ANY sense
is if ALL of the following hypothesis are true:

A: You've responded to the wrong poster.
B: You've forgotten what your own OP title says.
C: You don't know what the word "misleading" means.

[951-Riverside]

32. antiimperialist keep this up and you will find yourself out the door

Your topic is VERY misleading and should be locked.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Gee, I was hoping she had the satisfaction of dying with an empty clip. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

6. The important thing to remember is, there COULD HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUSPECT in that building.

Therefore, any amount of carnage is justified, any amount of force is warranted, any level of paramilitary SWAT type activity is legitimate, because, you know, if we don't keep spending $40 Billion a year on the drug war, Willie Nelson might be able to smoke pot without anyone bothering him about it.

[omega minimo]

19. And you know that 's a gateway

to millions of men wearing their hair in pigtails

[malaise]

38. You got that right n/t

[LisaL]

7. The article does not say that granny did not shoot the cops.

[walldude]

12. Yeah, the OP needs to change the title of the thread.

Anyway Granny had every right to shoot someone breaking down her door. Cops or not. This is(sorry, was) America, you don't come in my house without an invitation, and if you have a warrant you better show it to me before you come in. Had granny not been killed she would never even seen the inside of a court room, she was perfectly within her rights to open fire.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. That poor old lady.

:(

[salib]

9. Hey, she stood up to the Gestapo

Will we?

[LisaL]

13. Since she ended up dead, it probably was not the best course

of action.

[salib]

16. Not the best possible ending

I agree. But standing up is standing up.

It has its risks. It has its pathos.

Mostly, it has its integrity.

Standing up is standing up.

[LisaL]

17. I sincerely doubt granny was making a stand. Most likely

she thought her house was being attacked, and she tried to defend the house.

[Webster Green]

20. Ahem!

That would qualify as "making a stand".

[Spangle]

18. Not so

If what happened that night changes things and in the future her children, grand-children, etc.. are not attacked this way.. who is to say she didn't do the right thing? If asked "you or your kids", I would pick me, every time. Wonder what she would say...

This type of attacks was a bomb ready to go off. I'm not to sure it hasn't gone off before, and not been reported so publicly.

Cops are now allowed to do this to protect themselfs from the 'bad guys'. Which means we can no longer protect ourselfs from bad guys. Because HOW are we to know who is who, when they come blazing through the door. We at least use to be able to say that a cop wouldn't do that, so it's a bad guy. Now???

[ContraBass Black]

10. Your post title and the article you link to are directly contrary.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. God I Hate When People Post Completely Ignorant And Fraudulent Thread Titles.

Please be a bit more responsible next time. Completely dishonest thread titles such as this do our community a disservice.

Thanks.

[tuvor]

14. Looks like you're being irresponsible.

[seabeyond]

15. seeing how you are pretty new. maybe you can change (edit)

your title. i have been keeping up with this story and per your title i was expecting to see the cops shot each other. the title is wrong

[madmusic]

21. Is this how they think after they bust someone?

You know, in their "We got 'em" press conferences...

"But we must all exercise patience while we examine and re-examine every single aspect of these tragic events."

[uppityperson]

23. She did too shoot the cops. What are you talking about?

[ecstatic]

27. according to the cops who have already been discredited

Why should I believe one single word they say now? And it looks like they also tried to plant evidence to cover their tracks:

But police spokesmen had initially said narcotics officers carried out a drug buy Tuesday from a man identified only as "Sam" at Kathryn Johnston's home west of downtown Atlanta.

Pennington said investigators found a small amount of marijuana there after the raid.

"The officers are saying one thing. The confidential informant is saying something else," the chief said.

[uppityperson]

30. so they shot each other and claimed she did to cover up their mistake?

seems a bit radical to me, and a bit too conspiracish. I think these police totally messed up, but also think she shot them that they didn't shoot each other.

[bob4460]

24. Here is the real deal

THe cops see a house with windows and doors with bars on them,they want to se what is in there........... happens all the time.The county I live it a locked road gate gets their mind going on how to get in

[ecstatic]

26. Despite the article, I DO NOT think she shot the cops

I think they made it look like she did to cover their tracks. Wrong house? A dead elderly woman? Oh sh1t! Quick, you shoot me in the leg and I'll shoot you in your bullet proof vest!

[Richard Steele]

29. That's a pretty wild SUPPOSITION...

...but, given what we now know about these creeps,
I think it's entirely possible.

We've already learned that their "informant" says he
never gave them any tip regarding her house.
He says the Cops made up that "warrant" story AFTER they
shot her, and pressured him to go along with the lie.

[slaveplanet]

31. The intent for the break in

could have been robbery, These cops could have gone in with the intention of murder, murder to cover a robbery, robbery because they wanted to find out what was behind those expensive iron bars on her windows. Things went wrong, and she got the drop on at least one of them first. Thus the need to make up stories after the fact, which are now quickly falling apart. The cops lost the benefit of the doubt when they lied, anything is possible.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. well

that's pure supposition.

Not a single piece of evidence or reporting supports that. I could surmise that her Reticulan friends from planet Zartoc opened fire, then fled on their space-ponies, but I wouldn't expect anybody to believe it.

The fact is, the OP states something that in no way, shape or form appears in the article. It should be deleted.

[slaveplanet]

35. one thing is for sure

If these cops, and more is coming out about this particular crew, that were involved in many other No-knocker home invasions where no drugs were found and families were terrorized, are on the up & up.... then why the urgency?, why the panic?, the need to cover with lies?... that is what supposition is all about, they've lost the moral high ground, and now it's time to find out what they were really up to...


But this week, a man who claimed to be the informant told a local TV station that police had asked him to lie.

"They were going to pay me just to cover it up," said the man, who was not identified. "They called me immediately after the shooting to ask me, I mean to tell me, 'Here's what you need to do. You need to cover our ass' - and that's exactly how he said it, you know? 'It's all on you, man.'" Los Angeles Times, CA - 1 hour ago

[MonkeyFunk]

36. I'm lost...

you started out with "one thing is for sure" and then didn't state anything that was "for sure".

[slaveplanet]

37. the for sure part

is that this crew has been fingered as LIARS...not just by the bloke the FBI now has in protective custody....but independently by other law abiding citizens (who have been cleared of any charges) after being invaded and terrorized by this crew of thugs.

According to that warrant, some of the same officers involved in the Kathryn Johnston raid also took part in this raid. Once again, they relied on a confidential informant who claimed he bought marijuana from someone inside the Howard's home.

The police searched turned up nothing and no criminal charges were ever filed after the raid of the Howard's home.

"No money or contraband were ever found and my client has no criminal history," said Kea Strozier, Howard family attorney.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=88294

[MonkeyFunk]

39. ok

but is there ANY evidence or even an assertion by people on the scene that she didn't shoot the cops?

[Richard Steele]

41. No. We are all agreed that this thread title is completely misleading. nm

[slaveplanet]

42. Who's contending that?

besides the OP who phrased it in hypothetical.

go back and read my first post to this thread.. #31 and she got the drop on at least one of them first.

I'm in the "she shot them" camp. Throwing out my own hypotheticals.

I'm saying that the Cops are making up stories, they've been fingered as liars, attempting to cover...

When someone is trying to cover, they are trying to hide....If you have nothing to hide?...You know how it goes.

Since they're making up stories, It's perfectly normal for the public to speculate.

[Judi Lynn]

40. Thanks for the link. slaveplanet.Cops are lucky not one of them was shot!

You'd expect at least one of them to have sustained some terrifying wounds, what with that surprise attack on a very old woman whom they allege to be a wild and wooly gun-shooting maniac!

[slaveplanet]

43. The cops were shot alright

The question is who did the shooting? I believe it was the old woman(post #31), but anything is possible now that it's come out that this crew isn't very honest.

One thing I don't believe, is that she had those bars up so she could smoke her hooka in peace. I believe the bud was planted there by dirty rats trying to cover their ass.

[Judi Lynn]

34. The informant says the cops tried to make him lie about buying drugs there.

She also lived alone, and RARELY allowed anyone to come there, as she was terrified of people (hence the bars on her windows, which ANYONE who was frail and ancient, who lived alone, would have) so the chances anyone was dealing drugs from that house are zip. From the Washington Post:

~snip~
A man who said he was the informant whose tip led to the warrant said in an interview aired Monday on WAGA-TV that he had never purchased drugs at Johnston's home. The man, whose identity was concealed, also said that police had asked him to lie about providing the information.

Pennington said the informant is in protective custody and would be a key part of the investigation.

After the shooting, officers said they found marijuana inside Johnston's home, but the chief said it was not a large amount.

Johnston was described by neighbors and relatives as living in fear; there were burglar bars on the windows of her one-story brick home and she rarely let anyone inside.
(snip)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800822.html

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The writing's on the wall, and it's goddamned easy to see what the outcome will be of this investigation, if they acknowledge it.

Thanks, antiimperialist.