Why is the president defying the people's wishes so arrogantly?

[Philosoraptor]

What gives him the arrogance to say fuck you all, I'll have my war and you can all suck it? Why do we still allow him to pretend he is the president? When are we going to snap out of it?

We told the fuckers in no uncertain terms, the war is a disaster, get us the fuck out of there, right now, what part of this message did they not understand?

Am I crazy, or should the president obey our will instead of defy it? What the fuck America, at some point you have to admit that we are allowing him to continue his war, and we are FAILING to do our duty and DEFY HIS ASS, not the other way around.

Just who the fuck is in charge here, the president, or the people?

I wish I knew.

[iconoclastic cat]

1. I take it you haven't met many untreated alcoholics.

They're prone to acting irrationally.

[Target_For_Exterm]

2. Bubble boy has an ego on 'im, don't he?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. He's a sociopath.

What part of sociopathy is hard to grok?

[Hosnon]

4. It boils down to a central issue that is rarely discussed (to my knowledge):

Are our elected leaders representatives or delegates?

That is, are they an efficiency mechanism for democracy who should read the polls and vote accordingly or are they elected for their ability to make good decisions?

Obviously there is a spectrum here and particular issues rarely fall on either extreme...

That said, Bush probably views national security/war as falling more on the "delegate" end of the spectrum. Therefore, public opinion means little...

Anyone know of any good literature discussing the distinction? If none exists, I propose a separate thread to help hash out the idea and I'll put it on my Life To Do List.

[lonestarnot]

51. American political text that was used in my political science class

way back in the day, but I'm too lazy to go search it out and find the title at this time. But will if you are serious about this inquiry.

[Hosnon]

57. Thanks but I found some good stuff. Here's the link with the

bibliography:

Political Representation (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

I look forward to jumping in!

[Robbien]

5. The only way to stop Bush is to

constantly provide public opinion otherwise.

Write LTTE's (several of them to various local papers each and every day), write and call your reps. Keep the word out there in the public forum.

[WI_DEM]

6. because he's an arrogant fuck

afterall, this is the same guy who lost the popular vote by 550,000 votes in 2000 and then governed like he won in a landslide.

[lapfog_1]

7. He talks with God

and unlike 99.99999 percent of the rest of us... he believes that God talks to him as well.

Just so you know, the other 29 people here that believe God talks to them, are institutionalized.

[Initech]

8. Because he wasn't elected by the people?

:shrug:

[WinkyDink]

39. Reason #1 why he HATES US.

[williesgirl]

9. Only way to stop him is to cut off funding and I don't know if votes are veto-proof.

[sweetheart]

10. they own everything

defy away.

[RestoreGore]

11. Because the people let him get away with It

You give them an inch they take a yard comes to my mind now. He should have been stopped six years ago, but for all the people who continue to claim he stole the election, it seems that is a crime he will get away with. Unfortunately, we can't assign blame without looking in the mirror. We failed big time.

[driver8]

12. Because he refuses to admit that he is wrong.

If he continues to "stay the course", then the war isn't lost (in his mind) and there is a chance for victory. Once victory is achieved, he can then tell everyone that was right about Iraq.

We all know that Pissy Pants is fooling himself -- there will be no victory. Shrub just won't accept that....therefore, more innocent people will have to die for his arrogance.

[Jacobin]

13. Um, when did he ever NOT do that?

Serious question.

[Rex]

14. Entitlement

If no one in power does something about his abuses, he will feel entitled to do whatever he wants to. Even with us shouting, the people in place to force change must do so.

[crazyblueracer]

15. Are you for real?

I'm sure not everyone shares your view. There are A LOT of people who know that Saddam needed to be removed and way before this president. It needed done years ago by his dad and after that with Clinton. It's just coming a bit late.... Hussein has been performing atrocities for years. I can't belive how bad people take their freedom for granted.

[Philosoraptor]

17. as real as you crazyblue

the war is over. we lost. why let more men die?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

33. He wasn't elected. He stole his power. And he will

be damned if he is going to listen to the peons.

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[tnlefty]

29. Sounds a lot like some of the nuts I see on c-span who write for the

National Review, etc., or the retired Lt. Col. who was on there this morning. Either way, I'm not a squirrel and I'm sick of nuts.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

21. I have two words for you........

Bye-bye........... :)

[Efilroft Sul]

25. What threat did Saddam Hussein pose to my freedom?

Answer: None. And I don't take my freedom for granted, either.

I'll be stepping out for the night. If you want to debate what a threat Saddam was to our freedom before the neocons invaded Iraq, feel free to post while I'm away. I'll catch you on the flipside tomorrow.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. So why don't you enlist?

Is it really because you don't believe any of that?

Probably.

[mazzarro]

41. Jeeeeez - where did you crawl out from?

A lot has been said about how and why this *'s war was a bad and dumb idea and it still amazes me that still there are some people who are still deluded and foolish enough to regurgitate neocon b*llsh*t.

[kestrel91316]

43. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[mwb970]

65. What a dumb thing to write.

The Iraqi people are so much worse off now than they ever were under Saddam. The "He was a bad, bad man" line is almost as compelling as the "If we leave there will be chaos" line.

[alarimer]

68. Why was it our fucking job to do that?

We are NOT the world's police force. We do not get to decide who is a good enough leader. He was good enough for us at one time to sell weapons to him.

If we used your standard, we would do this to ANY dictator. Obviously we haven't. Actually we do only when they have outlived their usefullness to us (see Noriega).

[dchill]

16. Why? Easy...

he's the DECIDER. Not us.

[Disturbed]

20. Imeach Busholini and Cheney!

The case shouldn't take more than a month or two. The evidence of their crimes is abundant.

[dchill]

50. I agree...

but it might take more than a month or two just to list them.
:)

[GreenTea]

22. Beause he's making & stealing gobs of money & he'll be gone in two years so what the fuck

does he care...he and the corporations & the Pentagon are making billions of dollars off wars...Got to keep them going...he doesn't give a fuck what you or I think...in two years it'll ALL be someone else' problem.

Are you thinking impeachment? Impeachment takes month's of investigations before the proceedings even begin...maybe if the Dems started investigations with no interference from the republicans or media(count on huge interference from both to slow things down) this spring of 2007 Bush might be impeached sometime by June 20008...I'll wait for the elections in November, thank you...

Bush knows all this, so why in the fuck does he care what we all think, he knows he's gone in two years and he and all the rest of the slime keep raking in the huge bucks on death each and everyday.

[happydreams]

23. Gotta keep the contract payments coming in as long as possible.

[SoCalDem]

24. Because he CAN ! n/t

[Left Is Write]

26. Because he's arrogant?

[bdamomma]

53. he is wicked arrogant and ignorant, and he has gotten his

way for so long, he just does not give a shit, about any of us or for this country or humanity, that smirk of his tells it all.

[Left Is Write]

55. Oooh, that SMIRK. And his "huh huh huh" laugh.

I can't bear to watch him or listen to him longer than a few seconds.

[flordehinojos]

27. just because it is a bush thing. his father does the same. his brother does the same.

his mother does the same.

[evilgenius602]

36. ugh..don't get me started on the silver haired douche bag...

[flordehinojos]

37. Hi!

:hi:

thanks for the smile.

[evilgenius602]

38. Grinning back!

Her signature pet cause is literacy and she produced this dolt? She probably blames it on the bush genes. You can't polish a turd.

[MrSlayer]

28. Because he doesn't give a fuck what "the people" want.

What would ever make you think he would listen?

[evilgenius602]

30. this will probably draw flames

We're not in charge yet. The arrogant prick won't budge until we force his hand in January. Sadly people will die so the simeon President can puff up his pride.

[Philosoraptor]

32. that's what I hate, all those that will die after we've spoken

[LittleClarkie]

31. Why does a bear shit in the woods?

It's in his nature.

[Cleita]

34. Neither apparently. I wonder if Saudi Arabia is?

Doesn't this war benefit them in many ways? I mean if we have our military bases in Iraq, it takes the pressure off of them to have them in Saudi Arabia.

[dogday]

40. Why did Congress do the same?

Why did the Senate do the same? I keep asking the same questions myself.. When will we start seeing legislation that actually benefited the average American....

[kestrel91316]

42. It's simple. HE'S the Decider. And Mommy Babs said it was ok

to be arrogant.

[CJCRANE]

44. Reminds me of part of a Shakespeare play

where they take a sleeping drunk off the street and put him in the King's bed as a joke.

Trouble is when he wakes up he believes he really is King, starts ordering them around and after that they can't get rid of him.

[lonestarnot]

52. Very good, carry on!

:patriot:

[RiverStone]

45. He only listens to the misguided voices in his head!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

46. THIS IS WHY...

"If (America) were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush, December 18, 2000

I have had that quote pasted to my office wall since I first heard him say it. He repeated variations of that statement at least four times before the Presidential election of 2000. He defies the wishes of the American public because, in his twisted heart and mind, he views himself as the sole arbitrator of what is right and good for America. And (surprise) what is right and good for America is always what is right and good for him. We are his minions, whose only job is to laugh at his jokes, wage his wars, and enrich his cronies.

[lonestarnot]

54. That would be the one I have in my kitchen window next to my impeach signs.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

67. When I first heard that...

I was stunned. For a Presidential candidate to even THINK let alone voice that sentiment was just beyond the pale.

[deaniac21]

47. We have the congress now which means we can refuse to fund it.

Will this happen?

[eppur_se_muova]

48. "Am I crazy, or should the president obey our will..." Yes to the 2nd, can't address the 1st.

I am not a mental health professional. But I am a voter, and as Bu**sh**'s boss, I say it's time he got pink-slipped.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. He takes the right to act arrogantly, no one gives it too him. He isn't aware or just

doesn't care, that he works for us, not the other way around. Perhaps that is why he said it would be easier if he were a dictator. He doesn't care what we think and he thinks he is above the law. The bu$h brats were taught early on to have great disdain for those beneath them, which they consider most of us too be. Impeach him for thinking we serve him, if for nothing else!

[StraightDope]

56. Learn about the French Revolution some time...

Specifically the Terror. Was Robspierre in charge, or were the people, in the end?

There's your answer.

[mitchum]

58. Because he despises EVERYONE (even the idiots who support him)...

sociopaths are like that

[noise]

59. Bush and Cheney should resign

Why hasn't anyone in Congress called for Bush and Cheney's resignations? Are these men entitled to do whatever they want and get a pass from Congress?

The concept that applies is Moynihan's "defining deviancy down." What outrages committed by Bush and Cheney would be sufficient to get this Congress upset (especially the authoritarian Republicans)?

9/11 warnings ignored. Downing street memo. Sanctioning of torture. A sinister occupation policy that called for privatization at the expense of stability.

No pardons. No "good faith" talking points. No damage control. No protracted impeachment hearings with asshole corporate media pundits crying "witchhunt."

Bush and Cheney should resign in disgrace.

[Philosoraptor]

61. that would be the simplest solution

welcome

[calimary]

60. If he keeps this up, it'll be that much easier and a far more compelling

argument to IMPEACH him and REMOVE him from office. If he keeps this up to the point where a vast majority of Americans are completely revolted by him, and the republi-CONS start thinking maybe it's their only hope for rehabilitation with the voters, they'll be first to throw him under the bus.

Psssst - keep it up, george...

[Philosoraptor]

62. the repubs are actually turning on him, which I never thought I'd see

as with Nixon, this don't bode too damned well for dubya.

[malaise]

63. He does not give a flying

Fugg. Until there is a general strike and protests everywhere, this lunatic will continue his war on humanity.

[Philosoraptor]

64. What really galls me is our lack of action

our glacial pace, why does everything take so long, and cost so much? These guys are the type that have to actually be stopped, literally, they won't just say, 'sorry, see ya later' and walk off voluntarily.

[malaise]

66. It takes ages for the sheeple to wake up

Change is coming. More and more people are outraged.

[Orsino]

69. Because his *real* constituency is loving him.

He gives 'em tax breaks while reducing protections on working Americans.

We aren't in charge; they are--but only because we are secretly enamored of wealth and the wealthy, too, and let him get away with it.