The Bush Twins story MOCKS every dead and maimed US soldier. I am OUTRAGED.

[BeHereNow]

Sorry but...
My rage and disgust is mounting to the point of no return.

Can anyone tell me WHY the BUSH twins are PUBLICY partying
in South America while the children of other US citizens
are dying and being maimed in the Bush CABAL led war in the ME?
Is anyone as outraged by this as I am?

Does no one else see the utter mockery of the
Amercian people by this criminal family?

Am I going mad?

The whole story is a disgrace upon this nation, and what is worse,
there appears to be no apology or shame on the part of
the Bush family...

Rant over.

BHN

[JeffR]

1. WHY are they doing this?

Because they can. Why did their father piss on the Constitution and invade a country for no justifiable reason? Because he could. Why did their great-grandfather do business with the Nazis? Because he could.

That's just the Bush clan. That's what they do. Because they can.

[Arugula Latte]

9. Because they can ... and how DARE you question them?

The latter part of that sentence is always implied.

You are crap and they are the Bush Family. Shut up and serve them. That's their motto.

[JeffR]

23. exactly

they're an American dynasty. A Kennedy family for the Age of Unreason.

[johnfunk]

121. Why? Affirmative Action for the Idle Rich... or maybe...

... they're staking out real estate for Daddy when he has to flee the country. Hey, if it's good enough for Smokin' Joe Mengele, Pierre Daye and Adolf Eichmann...

[Atman]

164. They're just rich kids. Who said they loved the war? What is the problem here?

I've never seen them out actually demonstrating for war with Iraq. I don't have any indication one way or another that they're anything but disgusted with their old man. After all, they know the position he's in and what he's done. They may be Bushes, but they're not totally stupid. And who the hell can blame them for not wanting to go to Iraq? Imho, that is just more proof that they're actually pretty sane and normal kids! What's with the "sins of the father" thing? So daddy is blithering asswipe? It daddy wants to try to force them to sign up to save face for the family, so be it, it's a family issue. But the girls are being passive aggressive, like all good little repressed rich New England white kids. Leave 'em alone. Karma will eventually even things all out for them one way or the other.

:shrug:

.

[lies and propaganda]

2. Im with you.

Ive been told iM overreating and to think of what i enjoy doing with my spare time as Im the same age.

Except for my dad isnt a murderous peice of shit that every other country hates, doing his part in killing hundreds a day.

[NanceGreggs]

3. I agree ...

Their Daddy has already publicly shamed this country enough - he doesn't need any help from his two idiot kids.

And can you even begin to imagine what the MSM would have done with this kid of story had Chelsea Clinton acted this way AT ANY TIME, no less in a time of utter destruction in the ME!

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. Hah! I remember a couple years ago reading some conservative POS

(this was in relation to the Shrubbie twins misbehavior) saying that the only reason Chelsea never got into trouble and had good grades and has done well is because her parents were too controlling and never let her run free.

You just can't win with those assholes.

[mondo joe]

4. You nailed it.

You articulated it precisely.

Thank you.

[BeHereNow]

13. What 25 year old soldier in Iraq wouldn't RATHER be romping through South America???

Can ANYONE answer that question?
Just WHY are they in South America anyway?

The whole thing is just outrageous to me.
Purchasing land in Paraguay, checking their email
in a hotel lobby-
Meanwhile, thousands of others their age are
trying ro wire scrap metal together on their humvees
to keep from dying in roadside bombs.

GOD!!!! I am furious at the thought.
Any American who isn't is an idiot.

BHN

[Imagevision]

30. When I think of the twins, I think of Kevin Federline, same level of trash...

[johnfunk]

122. How could you bring yourself to insult K-Fed... er, FedEx so harshly?

Comparing him to the Bush Twins? That's just plain mean.

[cali]

47. Sorry, anyone who wastes outrage over

the bush twins, is the idiot. Just ridiculous. Outrage over Darfur? Yep. Outrage over this? Absurd.

[KSU Wildcat]

73. You said what I was thinking much

better than I could.

[Jed Dilligan]

105. The ability to say "yep" in a statement about genocide

speaks volumes about your mentality...

[cali]

108. LOL!

One of the sheer silliest comments i've ever seen on DU. Ever. I stated clearly as could be that I believe Darfur and the victims there, is a topic far more deserving of outrage, than what ever the bush twits are doing. Your objection to the word "yep" is so bizarre I wish I could call attention to it.

[Jed Dilligan]

110. It's a flippant way of talking. nt

[cali]

111. You should be ashamed of your pettiness.

Really, it was pretty shocking.

[Jed Dilligan]

112. I think you're ashamed

and trying to scoop it off on me. Nice try.

"Holocaust? Yep!"

There's no way to defend the personality that could produce this combination of words.

[cui bono]

119. Clearly you didn't understand what Cali posted.

It wasn't a "yep" of approval. Sheesh.

(uh-oh, I bet you don't like that word either.)

[Jed Dilligan]

146. I understand perfectly well.

It's the utter lack of gravitas that I object to--completely belies her supposed meaning.

[cui bono]

159. I see. Then perhaps you have forgotten

this was a post on a message board, not a treatise or a speech at the UN.

[Jed Dilligan]

161. It doesn't matter.

The tone shows how much the speaker/writer actually cares, regardless of the venue. In this case I think the Darfurians' plight was used to score rhetorical points. A true plea for them would be more solemn, here or anywhere else.

[cali]

157. You should really give up trying to read minds. You suck at it.

Telling me what I think and feel, when I've expressly stated the contrary takes a certain amount of hubris. I have no idea what your problem is, but cease and desist trying to tell me what I mean.

[Jed Dilligan]

162. I hear you loud and clear.

and it makes me want to :puke:

"Darfur? Yep."

If I were you I would crawl to the mods to have that deleted.

[cali]

170. You are barmy.

Really. You do realize that on this very long thread, with this public dispute between the two of us, you are the only person who has expressed that they thought my comment in any way off base.

Not only do I not want my comment deleted, I stand by it completely. It matters not a whit that I said yep instead of yes.

Do you realize how petty and pathetic your comments are. Keep it up. You want DU to see you make a total fool out of yourself, it's fine with me.

[Jed Dilligan]

171. I'm not seeing a groundswell in your defense, either. nt

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. I'm of two minds.

I don't think the twins should be forced into service, as much as I would viscerally love that - but doing so would be to remove from them the same rights that I enjoy. And yes, I know the right are removing all sorts of rights and blah blah blah. But I don't forcing them to serve, just cuz their dad is president, is a good idea.

On the other hand, if I were president, I would be making damn sure that if my children didn't want to serve, that they behaved at a level so high that it would stun people, and I would make damn sure that they knew that were very lucky not to be serving during a war and they better show some fucking gratitude for it.

The first drunken episode at a bar while I was visiting a foreign nation would be their last one, and they'd be making the decision which volunteer corps they were gonna enter tomorrow.

[mondo joe]

7. It's a family tradition to party while others die in wars. nt

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. For their family, it certainly is.

And I do think it's disgraceful the way those two have acted while others their own age are dying, killing, and being maimed physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually in an illegal and unneccessary war.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. And profit from it, don't forget that. Do the bu$h twins earn any money on their own or are they

just kept up by their parents' ill gotten gains? And why at the age of 25, are they protected by the SS paid for by US taxpayers? They are adults after all, so why are they afforded SS protection? Is that standard procedure? Or are the bu$h twins special? :eyes:

[juajen]

135. I believe Chelsea Clinton is still afforded SS protection.

N/T

[dflprincess]

15. But the behavior bar in the Bush family is set much lower

than what most of us were raised with.

[mondo joe]

19. Their bar is lower than your average mafia family. NT

[Rabrrrrrr]

25. Lower 'n a snake's belly

as they say in Texas.

:7

[TheCowsCameHome]

33. The Bush family and bars - now there's a great combination.

Bunch of common drunks with pedigree papers.

[bdamomma]

78. they think they are pedigree

they are nothing but scrappy dogs, and enough to make me :puke:

[Ian David]

26. The safety of The Bush Twins is a matter of National Security

Imagine what horrific price Bush would pay to rescue his daughters from kidnappers?

If Jenna is kidnapped, do we really want her ransom to come in the form of a mushroom cloud?

[Imalittleteapot]

6. Agreed. Sort of.

The Bush girls are among the millions of Americans whose lives go on despite the shame and horror that their President Daddy has brought on this nation.

[lonestarnot]

10. What do you want from hillbilly occupation?

[cali]

11. Yes, you're going mad.

Really, these two twits aren't worth it. At all. Frankly, I couldn't give a shit what the bush twins do. Why it's of any interest to anyone is beyond me. It has about the same value as a brittany spears story.

[Lance_Boyle]

116. you keep spelling that word wrong...

"tw*ts."

[thingfisher]

138. The Bush twins are doing

what most of the elites of our country do. The fact that they are the spawn of the evil Dubya makes them an item.

[RB TexLa]

14. How is that mocking anything?

I might be going to Cancun in the next few weeks. Are you going to accuse me of mocking the troops?

[mondo joe]

16. If you supported Bush's war while you partied, yeah, I would. NT

[cali]

21. Quick, everyone put on their sackcloth

and begin wailing. To say that the OP is overreacting is an understatement. Have a good time in Cancun!

[BeHereNow]

32. HOW? Why don't you talk to the parent of a soldier in Iraq?

There are some parents who don't sleep a wink at night
because their kid is in Iraq and they don't know if the morning will
come with notice of the news that their kid has been killed, or
seriously disfigured.

My point is this:
If the pResident of the country is the parent of two partying
kids, the same age of many of the kids in Iraq, could they not
at least be admirable role models for the young people
dying in the war, rather than put forth the public
appearance of partying in South America, far away and
safe from danger?

If I had a kid in Iraq, that is the very least I would
expect of my leadership and his rotten offspring.
Just a little respect, as the song goes.

BHN

[RB TexLa]

38. 1, 2, 3

1. I have relatives in Iraq

2. The two people in question are adult free human beings able to go where and do what they choose, their father has no say in that, nor should they be restricted in what they do because of who their father is.

3. I don't see how my or their going or not going to another country has anything to do with giving other people respect.

[mondo joe]

40. Like anyone else who supported Bush for President and is of age, they should

volunteer for Iraq or they are big fucking hypocrites.

[BeHereNow]

A-fucking -men. Or at LEAST. appear to be doing something in support

of their less fortunate peers dying in Iraq.
for God's sake, at least give the American people
a fucking appearance of caring about other people.

BHN

[Hepburn]

152. There are VA hospitals...

...why aren't these two little drunken assholes there? They can do volunteer work that supports the troops without being on the front lines.

Those children are a disgrace ~~ regardless of who their daddy is or if we are at war or not. Typical little trust fund victims, IMO. Ugly little Americans.

JMHO

[The Wielding Truth]

139. These girls are not respectful of the position they hold as first family.

Yes, while they have the right to show themselves as spoiled, reckless, and small, wouldn't it be grand if they would consider that they represent this Country when they travel abroad?

[cascadiance]

17. I'm sure they'll say that they're more apt to get hit by "friendly fire"...

... than others that might enlist.

Heck if it happened to Pat Tillman, I guess it isn't too hard to imagine what would happen to them if they were over there!

[Ian David]

18. If it makes you feel better, it looks like Twinkle and Turquoise ditched their secret service detail

They could possibly be in as much mortal peril right now as our troops.

Think about it:

The Bush Twins are running around naked in Central America, with reporters (and anyone else) able to walk right up to them without interference...

The daughters of the most powerful idiot in the world are a prime target.

If we paid a $2 Million ransom to get a couple d-list Fox "News" employees released by terrorists, how much do you think Jenna and Not-Jenna are worth?

Don't you think Bush would give nuclear warheads to Bin Laden or worse-- to Jeb Bush-- in exchange for one of them?

[Fridays Child]

28. You're right. But that Jeb Bush crack?

Priceless! :rofl:

[Anakin Skywalker]

20. Because LIFE IS A PARTY When You are Rich and Privileged!

[lindisfarne]

22. I know lots of 20-somethings who are traveling various areas of the world; should they come home?

I don't see why you are outraged at 20-somethings traveling the world. (I don't like the two, who seem like spoiled little brats, but one needs to be consistent: unless I said: bratty 20-somethings shouldn't travel the world, but other 20-somethings can, I'd be being inconsistent).

You may not be mad, but you are being a bit silly.

[mondo joe]

29. Only of they supported Bush's run in the last election.

Thank you.

[Porcupine]

24. They are acting like average US college girls. Unfourtunately.

The average US college girl doesn't appear to give a shit about the world outside of when their next party or shopping expedition is coming from. Why should the Bush twins be different.

It's our whole culture that is corrupt.

[koopie57]

59. All the college girls I know must be above average then

cuz they are too busy working third shift unloading trucks or whatever job they can get where the people work with them and their college obligations. They are too busy studying and working hard so the money their parents have borrowed to put them through school is not wasted. They do go shopping, at the local goodwill store. Some of these college kids are doing amazing things that are very positive and make a difference in this world.

But I know what you mean, I just don't think it is so prevalent as we think. Just like all we hear about are bad teenagers but I think teens are wonderful with their energy, imaginations, desires and goals. Even the few teens who live around us who are into drugs, are very nice if you treat them with respect. One regularly comes over if he seems my husband working on a project and will spend the afternoon helping and visiting.

Things seem really bad now, but in all actuality, I think this next generation will surprise us. I know there are a lot of troubled teens and young adults, but I hate to focus on that cuz it is not fair to count them out before they have had a chance.

[BeHereNow]

74. You have just described my kid-

She is at one of the best schools in the country because she
worked her ass off for their top scholarship- we could never have afforded
the school on our own.
She shops at the Goodwill for her clothes and interns in the summer
for credits. Everything she has, she has worked very hard for.

I agree with you about the fact that there is a generation of kids
coming up that will very much surprise us.

I do not count the disgraceful Bush twins among them.
There are every bit as much a blight on this nation as their father
and his circle.

The fact that they allow the public to view their behavior
while others die to support their wealth is an abomination
to me.

BHN

[Frank Cannon]

103. Except the Bush twins are not in college

And haven't been for years.

I might expect this kind of behavior from 19-year-olds, but not from someone who's 25.

Well... except if that person's last name is Bush.

[Imagevision]

27. The twins reflect on what the Bush's are made of, low-lifes with money...

[goclark]

31. I agree, the apple and the tree apply

They are arrogant and they DON"T CARE what anyone thinks.

[valerief]

34. All privileged young kids are partying while America's poor are

getting blown up.

And the don't care one little bit.

To them, poor people are like farm animals. They're cute to pet until you need to eat them, or, in this case, blow them up.

[mondo joe]

43. But not all of them supported Bush for President.

He ran on his war, they supported him.

It should be their war too.

[LeftCoast]

35. Sorry, I see no connection between the bush twins and the war in Iraq

Should they only appear in sack-cloth and ashes till the war is over? They can't help who their father is.

:shrug:

[BeHereNow]

42. Some discretion, dignity and respect for others would be nice.

But obviously, that is asking too much from the first family.
My bad.
To hell with the parnets with kids in Iraq who learn of
their disgusting lack of sensitivity to those less fortunate
who would like nothing better than to be able to send
their kids to college, never mind off to party in South America.

BHN

[cynatnite]

46. And you expect that out of spoiled rich brats?

I must be dumb, because I see no reason to get my underwear in a bunch over a couple of brats partying in another country who have no impact on anything important.

[mondo joe]

45. No? Did you not notice them supporting his run for a second term?

[stanwyck]

113. This is what I hope you would understand

The point here is how our volunteer military is used. Eisenhower warned that war must always be the last resort; he feared that the growing military indusrial complex would encourage the U.S. to enter war in order to feed the beast.
We now know that the Bushies cooked the books in order to get Congress, and the American people, to support the invasion of Iraq. Amid the post-9-11 fervor, the Bushies, following the neocon blueprint for colonization of the Mideast, started this war.
It was too easy. We didn't stop the Bushies. The press became mouthpieces. Our elected representatives didn't do their jobs.
The connection between the Bush daughters, who as you rightly point out - are guilty merely by association, is the disconnect between why we undertook this most serious of enterprises - war - and the attitude of our general population, which is continuing life without noticeable sacrifice: no increase in taxes, no rationing. We're told to live large - spend, spend, spend. Don't see the returning caskets -- too "upsetting to the families" (the families -- or the general public?). Attack the liberal media for not reporting the "good news" about the war. Don't even read the names of the casualties on TV. Just pretend it's not happening and keep partying.
And that's where these normal young girls become symbolic.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

36. They are nothing more than Paris and Britney

Or Lindsay and Jessica....two airheaded rich party girls who couldn't give a fuck for the poor the dead or the tired. Except the media goes under the false pretense that because they were produced by our president and the first lady, that they don't deserve the scorn those other girls get.

[newsdude]

124. Agreed/Disagreed

They are nothing more than Paris/Brittney/Lohan, etc.etc.etc.

But you know what, I don't care about the so called "jet set" and their party antics.
And I don't care about the Bush Twins and their party antics.

It means nothing to me.

Nothing at all.

[Buzz Clik]

37. Entitled kids are dime a dozen. The Bush girls are just two of millions.

[cynatnite]

41. Spoiled rich kids partying in a foreign country...

nothing unusual about that. I have no reason to be outraged nor do I care.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. They're partying there so we don't have them partying here.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

134. LOL - that's a great line! eom

[nosmokes]

143. Har! thank-you n/t

[sam sarrha]

48. they are way over their heads in S America. we could see another Aurba..stupid white girls on drugs

or worse..stupid rich white girls on drugs in the Median's...

but i dont see your conection.. the family is disgusting period..

[demnan]

49. I really don't care about them

They've been forgotten by their parents, they are souless, rich nothings to be pitied, really. They really don't matter in the state of things.

[Feron]

50. Give me a break

It's funny how this is supposed to be a progressive board, yet some still want to punish children for the sins of the father.

Not to mention the prudishness and pearl-clutching of some when it comes to the subject of the Bush twins. How dare she drink alcohol and get drunk like I do!!!

Shoot the antics of the Bush twins is minor compared to the stunts I used to pull around their age. It's hardly something to get your panties in a twist over. They don't embarrass me.

Americans all over will be attending holiday parties (I am) or going out with friends on a Saturday night to get shit-faced. That's no better or worse than what the Bush twins are doing on vacation. You're only young once, live it up while you can!!

If this is worthy of outrage, then perhaps a trip away from the computer is in order.

[Erika]

51. We're at war. These soldier age gals are playing and partying

Why aren't they committed enough to this war that they would join our troops and give a positive example of the first family? After all, it was their father who started the war.

[BeHereNow]

58. In a perfect world, maybe, but in the meantime...

Could we at least expect some show of humility
from the first family?
At least the Nixon kids remained presentable throughout
the debacle of their fathers crimes.
These twits don't even try to hide their oblivion
and disgraceful conduct.
BHN

[mondo joe]

53. Did you not notice them supporting his campaign for a 2nd term?

I guess not.

What do you think of people of age to serve who supported Bush's war but don't think they should deign to fight it?

[BeHereNow]

54. Are you saying the first family has no obligation to the public?

I am not surprised by the antics of young people, especially
those born into wealth and encouraged to be self centered-
HOWEVER, when you are the satanic spawn of
the first family, would you not consider some application
of discretion as far as your public image goes?

Especially when others your age are DYING to
support your privileged way of life?

Do they REALLY need to make public the fact that they will
never suffer the fate of so many less fortunate young people?

Just saying.
How about at least the PRETENSE of decorum instead
of the blatant mockery of our troops?

BHN

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. Perhaps they could curtail their drunken ways since they are representing American values

in a time of war? Maybe they could join the Peace Corps, do some volunteer work in a place that desperately needs help, like say Dufar? They are the First Daughters, maybe they should start acting like it. Why should US taxpayers foot the bill for their protection, while they drunkenly act out? And a great deal of those serving in Iraq are young, they aren't exactly living it up while they can, now are they?

[BeHereNow]

63. THAT is what I am SAYING! THANK YOU!

Do they REALLY need to prance across the world stage
as drunken harlots when others their age are DYING
in Iraq?
Do they feel NO obligation to role model decency as the daughters
of the pResident?
Fucking Nixon was a loon, but his family's presentation to the
American people was impeccable compared to these young women.
BHN

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. To answer your question, NO they DON'T feel any obligation to be

role models for decency as daughters of the pResident. Apparently, it has been reported that they begged their father not to run for president. Maybe this is their way of paying him back, or maybe they are just spoiled rotten brats, much like their father. Seems the apple didn't fall far from the family tree with the bu$h twins. The bu$h family always exhibits their utter lack of class and decency.

[cynatnite]

71. Daddy bush sure has done a great job of that...

:sarcasm:

They are rich brats partying in another country who are celebs because of daddy. They are not on the government payroll and they were not there in any official capacity. To expect them to comport themselves in any way is really wishful thinking.

Whether we approve of their behavior or not, they must still have that protection. If that was removed based on their behavior, then any kids of a future president would be at risk if someone doesn't like how they act. The RW would jump on the opportunity to use it to manipulate for their own purposes.

I do not support withdrawing protection as a punishment.

They are Paris Hilton wannabees and should be given no more attention than that.

[SammyWinstonJack]

76. They are 25 years old, ie, adults. Is it standard procedure for adult children

of Presidents to have SS protection? I wasn't aware that is was. Will they still have SS protection when their father is no longer pResident? Obviously I am not up on the procedures of Presidential family SS protection. I thought it was for underage children, only. And apparently these girls are a huge pain for the SS, perhaps they should be forced to stay within the US for their protection, alone.

[cynatnite]

79. I don't know about after their presidency...

but my understanding is immediate family members get protection. I don't know the specifics either.

Can you imagine what kind of impact the kidnapping of a close family member can have on a presidency? There was a West Wing episode and no matter the remote possibility it's still scary to think about, IMO.

What makes you think they would be any safer in the US without protection? There are plenty of people who would want to do them harm no matter who their daddy is and no matter how I feel personally about the bush twins, I don't wish harm on them. They can act as stupid as they want. It doesn't mean they deserved to be harmed over it.

[sweetpotato]

117. Did * have secret service protection when GHWB was pres?

I can't remember.

[LibDemAlways]

90. You hit the nail on the head. Their partying is done on the

taxpayers' dime. That's the difference between them and other people their age. While their father is in the WH (much to my complete dismay), you and I are paying for their travel, their protection, etc. I don't think it's too much to ask that they either keep a low profile and party at home or devote some of that energy to doing some good in the world. I am reminded of a quote attributed to JFK: "To whom much is given, much is required." All their parents seem to require of those two is that they sleep it off before heading out the door again.

Is it 2008 yet?

[nam78_two]

123. What he said /nt

[stanwyck]

114. I understand, yet

I also see how these young women are symbolic. Specifically, you're correct: they have a right to their own lives. And they're normal young women who enjoy life. My daughter works hard and parties hard - why not? She's 23 years old.
But we're at war. People are dying. But we can't view the caskets - too trumatic. We can't hear the names of the casualties on the air. Not appropriate. And we're told the liberal media won't report the good news.
Meanwhile, we aren't paying for the war. Pay? Hell, no! We're living in this little bubble while our troops have been deployed based on lies and greed.
And these girls represent our selfish tendency to put our hands over our ears and say "I can't hear you!"
It's not them, specifically. It's us. We want to party (as you point out) and not have to think about who's doing the heavy lifting in Iraq while we're doing the heavy lifting at the bar.
(you're going to say..."but, they VOLUNTEERED for their jobs". Yes. But they don't volunteer to be used as pawns based on gross deception. They trusted us.)

[morgan2]

52. They're not their father

I know people like to say if a parent supports a war than their kid should fight in it, but thats idiotic. If a person supports a war and is of legal age they should fight in it. If a parent supports a war they should be supportive of a kid who wants to fight in it. Just because they're the daughters of a rotten president doesn't mean they can't have fun.

[Erika]

55. Their father STARTED this war, not just "supported" it n/t

[morgan2]

60. I was speaking to a general feeling on this board

where people tend to make that argument about any Republican, like all the talk about only one congressman with a kid in Iraq.

[mondo joe]

56. They DID support the war. Did you not notice?

Did you notice his campaign at all?

[morgan2]

65. Ya and if your dad was running for president

and asked you to come to some events and take some pictures what would you do? They're young girls who have grown up a sheltered life and probably doesn't have a very well informed opinion on the world. They haven't done anything wrong.

[mondo joe]

91. They are responsible for their OWN actions.

You can't say they are not their father, and then blame him for THEIR choices.

[momster]

148. They're 25!

Allegedlly educated! One's supposed to be a teacher, for crying out loud! If they don't have well-informed opinions at this point -- they are hopeless. Utterly hopeless. Besides, shouldn't they be married and popping out quiverfuls of babies if they are really the sort of women Republicans like? If daddy's numbers drop much further, I expect to see a Distraction Wedding followed by a quiet divorce long about 2009.

[symbolman]

94. These people have no soul

You can see it. Neither does their father, and I bet there's not one soul to go around in the whole family..

They OOZE crude.

[Malikshah]

61. They are living off of the taxpayer's money. They have everything

they want due to their father's position.

They are not private citizens.

They are required to act accordingly.

They aren't.

[MrSlayer]

62. I don't get all the outrage.

Considering all the other important things going on out there, this story rates as a non-factor to me. You want to know why they are partying in South America and other people are dying in Iraq? Because they aren't in the military, they didn't join. They're rich, young and single and quite frankly, it's not their fault that their father is a war criminal. I don't see what the big deal is about them doing what anyone else in the same position would do. I'm not outraged by this nor do I think it's a "disgrace on our nation". I mean, c'mon, people are acting like they are selling nuclear secrets or something. Gitmo is a disgrace on our nation, Abu Ghraib is a disgrace on our nation, Iraq in general, our energy and health care policies etc. But boisterously celebrating your birthday in a foreign country while happening to be the offspring of the President is not. Let's get some perspective here. Besides, why do you expect more from them? What reason has this family ever given you to think they would act in a different way?

And you know it wouldn't make a goddamn bit of difference if the twins were in Iraq, we'd still be there, the shitstorm would still be raging. Remember, Prescott Bush was still funding the Nazis while his own son was fighting against them in WWII.

[mondo joe]

Did they support his run for a second term?

What do you think of anyone who supports this war as long as it doesn't impact them?

[MrSlayer]

68. I think people that do that suck.

But that doesn't change any of what I said.

[BeHereNow]

66. Call me old school, but I believe the first family has an obligation to the public.

Yes, we know they are rotten to the core, but for the sake
of all the parents and family members of loved ones in the ME,
do they REALLY need to rub our faces in their indecent and despicable
behavior?
Can't they at least be discreet about the fact that they
don't give a shit that other young people are DYING?
BHN

[MrSlayer]

72. I don't see how they are rubbing anything in our faces.

I don't think they are mocking us or the soldiers intentionally or otherwise. Do you honestly think they want all this hype so they can thumb their noses at the poor and the families of the military? I just think they are doing what they do. I also really don't see what they did wrong. Going topless in a country where everyone does and drinking on your birthday to me is no big deal. I just see a major overreaction here to a nothing story.

[Beelzebud]

64. They party while middle class and poor Americans their age are serving in Iraq.

[Catherine Vincent]

67. No, you're not mad. and I agree with what Rabrrr said above...

"On the other hand, if I were president, I would be making damn sure that if my children didn't want to serve, that they behaved at a level so high that it would stun people, and I would make damn sure that they knew that were very lucky not to be serving during a war and they better show some fucking gratitude for it.

The first drunken episode at a bar while I was visiting a foreign nation would be their last one, and they'd be making the decision which volunteer corps they were gonna enter tomorrow."

They can party but at least TRY and be discreet about it. Sheesh!

[BeHereNow]

70. THAT is my point!

Thank you!
I really don't expect much from the twins, but out of respect
for the poor parents and family members of people serving in Iraq
they really need to keep their debauchery out of the public eye.

Is that really asking too much?

I mean, after all, what must a mother of an active service member in
the ME think when she reads of the twin's care free exploits in
South America?????

BHN

[NNadir]

75. What, exactly, are they doing?

I haven't seen any news stories about those two.

[troubleinwinter]

77. Like they say, apple doesn't fall far from the tree....

Jim Cole ©Stars and Stripes
Wiesbaden, Germany, July 15, 1978: Amy Carter, daughter of a president, talks with two-year-old Donya Richards


Jimmy Carter and his daughter, Amy Carter

......................................................


Chelsea Clinton


Chelsea Clinton

.......................................................


Barbara and Jenna Bush


Barbara and Jenna Bush


Jenna Bush


Jenna Bush

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. I Must Honestly Say I Find This To Completely Be A Non-Issue.

They can do whatever they want with their lives for all I care. Isn't any of my business as much as when, how or where I choose to party is any of anyone else's.

[Bluebear]

82. While others their age are having their limbs blown off, life's a party!

Woo hoo! Soccer in Argentina! Drinks in Manhattan! Running naked through hotel hallways!

Non-issue my ass, these two are disgraceful.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

83. 100% None Of Your Business.

Sorry, you can claim it to be all you want, but the reality of it is they have every right to live their lives how they choose; as you do as well. What they do is just quite simply their business, not yours.

I find this yammering over them (not just on this issue) to be so petty and childish when there are so many REAL things politically needing to be addressed. Complaining so dramatically about things like this is a real sign of misguided priority in my opinion.

[newsdude]

133. Ditto

Let's see some outrage about jobs being shipped overseas, or something that really matters

[cynatnite]

84. Who fucking cares...

geez, there are a lot more important things to worry about in this world rather than two rich spoiled girls partying in another country.

Non-issue and it's only a story because of who their daddy is. I doubt many soldiers serving in Iraq cares as much as you do about two drunk bimbos.

[Bluebear]

86. Thanks very much for your opinion.

Non-issue to you. Issue to me.

[cynatnite]

87. Why is it an issue to you?

Two bimbos getting drunk in another country using their idiot parents' money. Why is this important?

How does this 'issue' have anything to do with anything?

Educate me. Explain it. Why do you care so much about what they do?

[Bluebear]

88. Point one, when I say I care and you say "who fucking cares" . .

..isn't the best conversation starter.

But since you asked, read the original post. These two have no j-o-b and are partying around the globe with the Secret Service in tow and I consider it a mockery of the thousands of lives lost and the tens of thousands injured in Iraq. It shows no discretion, no empathy. Could they at least go to Walter Reed and comfort the troops? For a day?

[cynatnite]

89. And you expect them to follow their father's 'moral' code...

This is the same man that said 'bring it on' and went searching for WMD as part of a joke while the soldiers he sent to Iraq over it are dying.

So, I don't expect a thing out of them and I refuse to waste on single brain cell on these selfish brats. Yeah, if I had my drothers, they'd be putting on a uniform or volunteering at Walter Reed, but knowing who their old man is, I don't expect anything more than what they are...spoiled rich brats with nothing better to do with their lives.

They are not worth the energy because it would be completely wasted.

[mondo joe]

92. You already wasted your time defending them.

Criticizing them or defending them, you still took the time to do it.

Pretty silly.

[cynatnite]

128. I find it hilarious that so many people give a damn...

Where in my posts did I defend them?

It is silly, though.

[mondo joe]

141. But when you say they're not worth the energy....aren't you expending the

same energy by posting "who cares"?

[stanwyck]

127. It's not the Bush twins

specifically. The rage that's being tapped here is the years of this misbegotten war dragging on, a war based on total fabrications.
People are dying. And yet many Americans refuse to even acknowledge the sacrifice. Or sacrifice themselves. God forbid our taxes are raised to pay for this debacle. God forbid we see the caskets returning to our country with dead young men and women. God forbid their names be read on air.
We want to party. Don't bother us with the WAR.
And that's where these young ladies are symbolic. They supported this war (well, what choice did they have?). I'm sure they "support the troops." But that's meaningless. Meaningless. And insulting. They're just emblematic of the whole disconnect. Supporting the troops, supporting the war. It's totally meaningless.
And it doesn't help when those who are "fighting the war over here" always seem to be carrying on their fight from a bar.

[cynatnite]

130. Didn't know the drunk chicks were fighting anything other than sobriety n/t

[stanwyck]

137. LOL. just think of them as a metaphor

it's not them - personally. Can we really blame them for drinking? People openly despise them - wherever they go - and it's because of their father and his regime.
But they are symbols. They're a metaphor for the division in our country, the division between who gets us into wars (and for what purposes) and who fights those wars.

[cynatnite]

140. I don't see them as being even remotely important at all...

no metaphor or anything. To me they are simply spoiled rich girls who have no inclination to do anything worthwhile with their lives.

Perhaps, their only way to deal with this dysfunctional family is to be drunk. Maybe it's all they know. :shrug: I don't know.

Now, my brain hurts. LOL

[momster]

149. It's our money...

not their own. We're paying for their security, for their trip, for their hotel and, for all we know, their drinks.

[newsdude]

125. Uh, am I missing something here?

But nearly all of America operates daily in almost 100 percent denial of the war in Iraq.

I go to work each day. I play hockey when ever I can find the time.
I know people for and against the war who party it up every weekend. I know people for and against the war who go on vacations, go hunting, take trips, have fun.

I'm angry about Bush, the war, the corporate takeover in this country, and hundreds of other things.

I can't get angry over rich 25-year-olds for acting like rich 25-year-olds.

[Bluebear]

168. Yes, you are missing a lot.

See the comments about them acting like selfish unempathetic brats when they could at least be discrete about their globetrotting wealth.

[newsdude]

172. Discretion is tough

When reporters are chasing you around.

[stanwyck]

115. I find it an issue in a symbolic sense

but agree that these girls are bearing the brunt. As symbols of those who support the war "over here" but don't want any part of the "wet work", these girls are suffering the disdain of those of us sick and tired of hearing those drunken young Repubs. who are so gung-ho about war. For other people. It's bravery from a far distance. And it's appalling.
These are normal young women who are enjoying their lives.
But, as symbols, they're tainted as icons of the "I never walk it like I talk it" group of conservatives.
We're tired of the braying arrogance of those who bellow their patriotic fervor...from a bar. And the very visible presidential Bush daughters have become emblematic of that disconnect between those who get their hands dirty. And those who don't.

[JacksonWest]

81. Wrong Thread. Sorry. Edit. Bush twins suck.

.

[Catherine Vincent]

93. Who?

:evilgrin:

[eppur_se_muova]

85. And didn't Gore volunteer for duty because he knew how bad it would look if he, ...

a Senator's son, didn't serve? He didn't have to go to Vietnam. But he thought it would damage his father's reelection prospects if he didn't.

[mykpart]

95. If either of those girls ever runs for any office,

I will definitely campaign against them!

[bling bling]

96. The Bush twins are a national embarassment just like their father.

You never hear about them on the news doing anything but getting shit-faced drunk and acting foolishly.

On the other hand, now that I think about it, the news probably wouldn't report them if they were taking advantage of their fortunate opportunities to do something worthwhile for humanity.
So on that note, I guess I'll refocus my ire back to the media for (as usual) hyperfocusing on stupid bullshit infotainment gossip rather than break a fingernail doing any investigative reporting on matters of substance.

[earth mom]

97. Very Interesting how those DUers who think the * twins disgraceful behavior

is no big deal are also DUers who don't want to Impeach *. My, isn't that quite the coincidence?! Not!

So the naysayers say that the American public should expect NOTHING of those who represent them-like the * family, hmm?! And that's why it makes it okay for the skanky * twins to behave like Ugly Americans abroad?!

HELL NO-I don't think so!

* & Co have lied and broken laws and are trying very hard to shred the Constitution! The * twins are simply adding insult to injury! And that some around here are okay with ALL of it is simply a WTF moment! :wtf:

It's all a fucking disgrace! :grr:

[bling bling]

98. It's not so much that their disgraceful behavior is no big deal,

it's that their disgraceful behavior is their business and we'd be wise to remember that the media is really to blame as usual.

We're talking about the offspring here. How did you react to the Democratic President who got a blow job in the white house via an intern? That was pretty disgraceful, too, no? Should the American public expect more of the President based on the standards implied from your post? Personally, I think so. But my biggest problem with the Clinton thing was that it was bullshit that the media *MADE THAT STORY OUR NEWS.*

I didn't want to open this whole can of worms but in my mind it's relevant and applicable. If we're going to be outraged over the personal behavior of the President's children then we should be consistent when it applies to a Democratic President or his/her family.

As long as your outrage was consistent, then I don't see any contradictions in your post. But my dismay over the media rather than the girls was me also being consistent.

[flyarm]

99. i wrote with the same disgust earlier in another thread....and yes i share

your disgust and anger!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2814993&mesg_id=2820239

fuck the sick mother fucking murdering family and their sick pathetic parties!!

they only party any of them should be enjoying is the impeachment party and incarceration party of the worst crime family to be in office in my 54 year lifetime!

fuck them!

fly

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

100. I'm more disturbed by the security issues this whole incident has uncovered

While I am disgusted with the "attitudes" of these two people, especially in the face of the occupation, the following link takes me to
one of The West Wing's best scenes in the first season, after Zoey comes back to the White House after a near scuffle in a bar in Georgetown.
I think it's rather fitting to this scenario with the twins.

Mrs. Willis of Ohio

While I don't expect Bush to show the same concern that Jed Bartlett has, these two women really, really need to understand that nobody in the world likes their father.
Does this curtail their activities? Yes, it does. Are those the consequences of their father living in the White House? Yes they are.

If Bush capitulated so easily to the Chinese for ramming their fighter with our spy plane, what do you think he'd do if one or both of his daughters were kidnapped?

[rude boy]

102. When you point a finger

there are three pointing back at you. I try not get into self righteous indignation over the twins. That's kind of what freepers do. When the next Billy Carter or Roger Clinton comes along and they are having a cow over it on FOX News it may be hypocritical or difficult to fight for their right to party when you condemn the twins for being the under-achiever air head party girls they are. If thety want to denigrate and shame themselves and their family for generations to come, cool!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

104. Oh boy.

Did I express "self righteous indignation"? :eyes:
(And did you just call me a freeper?)

I pointed out the blatant security risk these two represent. And in this time, in this world, what they're doing is completely irresponsible, considering the lives that would be risked in a rescue attempt if they were abducted. But hey, they gotta party, right?

So spare me the cookie-cutter philosophy.

So thank you for your "concern" about the matter, and I'm glad you think it's so "cool" that these women caused the U.S. Embassy to ask them to leave the country. Party on, right.

Sheesh. :eyes:

[rude boy]

160. I wasn't responding directly to your post

Sorry for that. The mechanics of this board are a little confusing. I clicked reply on link that was the last post in the thread which was yours. I was referring to the original post in the thread and any others in general that condemn the Bush twins for being irresponsible drunks. What my point is that if that's what they want to do I couldn't care less. Yes, they might be a danger to themselves and probably the Secret Service assigned to guard them, but again those are the choices they choose to make. Also by the way, I didn't call anyone a "Freeper". I noted a similarity to overzealous attacks on moral foibles of people. Freepers have perfected the art of faux outrage and it occurs to me that this possibly might me seen as the same kind of thing. We all know the Bush family are dysfunctional sick bitches from hell. In a free society people have the right to be disgusting pigs as long as no laws are broken and I don't know that the twins have broken any laws. I am no more upset about anything the twins ever did than I was when Billy Carter was photographed taking a leak in view of photographers near the airport runway. Drunks do some stupid things, but it's not going to ruin my day.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

166. Okay, I understand now.

I have to agree with you with the over-zealousness of some of the posts, but hey, that's their opinion, and they're glad to do it.
(At least they're passionate about something.)

My main concern is the fact that their actions, while possibly typical of some 25 year olds, are not the actions that the daughters of the pResident should be taken specifically for the security reasons I listed above. Their actions endanger not only themselves, but the Secret Service, any military that might be involved with a rescue attempt should they be abducted, and untold lives that could possibly be lost in the conflagration.

While yes, drunks do absurd things, these are not normal circumstances, and the twins are not normal people. Their father chose to run for President. Life can suck, so they should live with it. And the choices they choose to make involve much, much more then just them. Their irresponsibility has the potential to affect a lot more than just those two and a bunch of SS agents. And it's high time they realized that. I refuse to give them a pass because "they're drunks".

That's why I care. Specifically because if one or both of them gets kidnapped, we no longer have a President. We have a father who's worried sick about his kids. Considering how easily Bush capitulated to the Chinese when we rammed their fighter with our spy plane, do you seriously think he'll stand fast against any threat? No. He'll bow to a lot of pressure to get his kids back. (If you haven't seen the episode of The West Wing, you should. Martin Sheen's conveyance of that speech to his daughter is fantastic.)

And yes, at least one of the twins has attempted to break the law: one did try to purchase alcohol at a restuarant while being underage (typical of underage college students, I must admit). A manager properly insisted on seeing identification. FreeRepublic posted the manager's name, phone number, address, and location of her daughter's school, along with the time her school gets out for the day.

And since the US Embassy there asked them to leave (a charge they now, of course, deny), do you seriously think they haven't broken any laws? They must have been causing enough of a ruckus for the Embassy to chime in.

[rude boy]

167. You make some good points

and the last thing I want to do is become an apologist for the Bush twins. It's frightening to think what Shrub would do if the twins were snatched. There's an argument to be made that one of the primary reasons the asshole attacked Iraq is because Saddam tried to kill his dad. The twins are a disgrace for sure and probably not a little dangerous. I personally would cut them a little slack just because I was young and foolish once too. Of course, nothing I could ever have done would have had international implications, but what can you do? Maybe one day they will wake up and smell the coffee, hopefully, before they cause a world war.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

169. I don't think you're an apologist for them.

I want to cut them all the slack in the world. I really do.
I don't envy them their position. I understand, because I'd be frustrated by the constant Secret Service detail, too.
They didn't force their father to run for President.
But now that they're in this position, I just wish they'd understand their situation, and the potential for disaster their
actions have.
But as you said, what can you do? :shrug:

[JI7]

101. agree, they CAMPAIGNED for him so they get no pass

the entire family disgusts me. look at hatred Bush showed towards Jim Webb and his son who is serving in Iraq. stupid disgusting scumbag family.

[AngryOldDem]

106. Easy answers to your questions

Why are they "publicly partying in South America while the children of other U.S. citizens are dying?" BECAUSE THEY CAN AND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

The Bush family couldn't CARE LESS about Barbara and Jenna's peers being sent off as cannon fodder. And you are actually expecting an apology or any kind of show of shame on their parts? Hell will freeze over first.

I'm sorry, but you've mistakenly assumed that the Bush clan has a collective conscience. They don't.

[Neecy]

107. It really is disgusting

If these were the children of a Democratic president during a time of war, FOX "news" and the Republicans in Congress would be setting up a huge howl and you know it would be ugly and personal.

I have a cousin who is about to start his third tour. THIRD -because pissy little princesses like this and hundreds of thousands like them are too high 'n mighty to serve our country. Having them flaunt their high-life ways when we have almost 3,000 killed and tens of thousands wounded and maimed is really repulsive. Even the Nixons were better parents than Chimp and Laura. LBJ's girls weren't on a years-long drinking binge during Vietnam, either.

And some on this thread are doing a "kids will be kids" routine - c'mon, for God's sake, these are women and not young girls. At 25 I was well on my career path, fully self-supporting, building a life and I didn't have the time or the inclination to drink like a fish or party every night. At 25 one would think they'd have grown out of this phase.

[npincus]

109. I have to agree.

They are not "ordinary" citizens by virtue of their parentage, whether they chose it, like it, or not. They are, in their partying, and kid-glove treatment over there, reaping the perks of their dad's position-- they can't pretend to be having the same experiences were their Dad NOT the US President. They are feeding at the trough of their exalted position.

It is their responsibility, in their position, to comport themselves with dignity, and do their bit, whatever that is, to support the sacrifices in the elective war their father chose. They can't pretend to be "normal" while they enjoy the offerings of presidential privilege. BULLSHIT.

Personally, I think they should do volunteer work or some kind of charitable work for VA hospitals and/or raise money for the families of the wounded and fallen.

[Sparkle]

118. Like father, like daughters....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

120. It shows a definite lack of respect for their father. Very passive-aggressive.

n/t

[Virginia Dare]

147. Remember when Jenna had an emergency apendectomy...

it was right after our long nightmare began. Daddy dearest went fishing.

[Supersedeas]

126. A Family on the War Footing--Partying while young soldiers die: Tradition?

[cassiepriam]

129. It is what their dad did, partying his way thru the VN war. nt

[roguevalley]

131. you aren't going mad, hon. you see with clear eyes and I agree with you.

[Jack Rabbit]

132. Does anyone remember when Chuck Robb transferred to a unit going to Nam?

It was right after he became LBJ's son-in-law.

[nam78_two]

136. Pity for the Iraqis that they can't ignore the war and shut it out the way we do

Lots of responses about how its perfectly normal for Americans to live it up while we wreck that country...
Maybe its normal...not saying I don't have any fun or go out etc.

But, we are pretty obscene as a whole :(...I am ashamed of us.
Yeah I do think a bit of sackcloth for us self-centred Americans is ok...Those of us who aren't very poor (or at least well off enough to take vacations and "have fun" do owe the people of the country some penitence/shame)

Again, as I posted a while ago in the holidays thread, reminds me of this scene of Iraqis at a broken down cafe somewhere, with bullet holes in the walls, watching CNN on this little tv on the side. CNN showing Americans rushing to go to the malls for the thanksgiving sales or something...

I am not better than anyone else....But by and large, as a nation, we need a sense of shame...

[Virginia Dare]

142. It is an insult and an outrage...

When your father is President, and you are living on the American people's tax dollars, you should be expected to conduct yourself with a modicum of dignity and restraint. These two obviously don't give a fuck.

Yes, they should be home rolling bandages and preparing care kits for soldiers. They should be serving meals in VA hospitals, or grocery shopping and babysitting for wounded soldiers and their spouses. If they cared, there are any number of things they could be doing in support of this country, instead they party and prance like the spoiled brats that they obviously are.

They are despicable human beings, and yes, I'm outraged.

[JudyM]

145. Yes, they "should" as you say *if they cared* - that's kind of the key.

They apparently don't care. They're apparently as untouched by the state of the world their father has created as... as he is.

[B Calm]

144. Did they have Purple Heart bandaids on their nipples when they

running through the hotel hall topless?

[Philosoraptor]

150. Indeed. Has rush mentioned the little darling's yet?

I didnt' think so

[Donald Ian Rankin]

151. It's absolutely none of your business whatsoever.

What the families of politicians do is none of our business.

Do you think it is legitimate for the RW to pry into Chelsea Clinton, Alexandra Kerry, etc's private lives and try and make political capital out of them? Not "do they do it" but "do you think they should do it"? Because if, like me, you don't, then this is rank hypocricy.

The Bush twins aren't serving in the war; so are millions upon millions of others; the Bush twins are doing nothing worse than they are. Who their father is is utterly irrelevant - *they* are private citizens; blaming them for his actions is foolish.

[mondo joe]

155. They campaigned for him. That's THEIR actions.

They're scum just like the young republicans who promoted a war they're too BUSY to take part in.

[elehhhhna]

153. They are still celebrating the end of the inheritance tax.

[Hosnon]

154. It doesn't offend me. What about all of the other girls their age doing the exact same thing?

You'll say that they are part of the first family and supported their father's war...

They deserve private lives and fun as well - if they get a little drunk, meh...life's short.

And supporting the war doesn't mean they have to turn into prudes and sit at home in the White House with mommy.

Let it go...jeez.

[Tyler Durden]

158. They are partying on MY NICKEL. YOURS too.

That is what's nauseating to ME. Got any idea how much that level of SS protection in essentially a second to third world nation COSTS on a daily basis? MILLIONS.

[Bluebear]

165. To begin with, not "all the other girls" at 25 are drunken partygoers.

I don't know about your circles, but I know quite a few 25 year olds that have jobs, for instance. Matter of fact, all of them do.

[jarab]

156. K & R as most ridiculous non-issue ...

Blaming girls (young women) for being and acting just like that is ridiculous.
Liberals get shit-faced (on this board even) on Fri and Sat nights and cause havoc, and many join in the "fun". You don't want me to recite some of the postings which are made while our dear liberal friends are in those conditions.
Just let it go! We're doing exactly - with those girls - what we condemned when they attacked Chelsea. That makes us hypocrites, the lowest of the low - worse than the Bush twins, in fact.
...O...

[Bluebear]

163. 'Liberals get shit-faced (on this board even)' LMAO

K and R for the most ridiculous response.

This is nothing like when Limbaugh called Chelsea names. NOTHING.