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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:41 PM
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Wow... Get A Load Of THIS Right-Wing Horse Puckey !!!
America, Not Keith Ellison, Decides What Book a Congressman Takes His Oath On
By Dennis Prager

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Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran. He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization. First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.

Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?

Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath? The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.

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Link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/america_not_keith_ellison_deci.html

Does this bullshit make ANY religion look good???

:shrug:

And Dennis??? Your immoderation is showing! And, we are sorely tired, of picking over your turkey-assed carcasses.

:wtf:


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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:43 PM
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1. Hey, DENNIS
The rest of us live here TOO, and if you don't shut the fuck up instead of spewing this hateful, bigoted garbage, we're likely to remind you of that fact with extreme rudeness.

You will not like it.

Asshole.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:45 PM
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2. Makes it look silly. Especially with the sheer number of Americans who
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:46 PM by HypnoToad
are now against offshoring because of preferential treatment accorded to non-Americans.

(in other words, there is an interesting hypocrisy afoot with the right wing.)
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:45 PM
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3. Excepting the point
that making an oath on a "holy" book that isn't your own means NOTHING.

I could swear on a stack of bibles and it would be meaningless to me, in and of itself, though I DO take my word seriously.

How fucking stupid can you get?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:48 PM
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4. They are crazy. What good is an oath on a book that the one
taking the oath does not believe in?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:50 PM
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5. I missed the part of the Constitution that says we pledge alleigence to the bible.
I think most of the Founding Fathers would whole-heartedly support raking the oath on a Koran, if that is the book you spiritually follow. Too bad the RW just can't figure this out. I'll bet they'd be all bent out of shape if the next Iraqi President took his oath on the Bible...right?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:51 PM
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6. I don't know why the swearing in isn't done on a copy
of the state's most revered document, the Constitution. Why should any religion be dragged into this state function anyway?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:52 PM
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7. His logic is just all over the place
Where to start?

Well, for one thing Mein Kampf is not the Nazi's bible. The Bible is. Hitler's Third Reich worked closely with German churches and Hitler himself made several statements about the importance of Christianity in acheiving his goals. Modern Aryan and neo-Nazi groups identify themselves as Christians.

And how does he know that no Jewish, Mormon, secular, etc. elected official has ever requested a book other than the Bible to make an oath or affirmation?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:00 PM
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12. That Was My Problem Too... 'Where To Start...' ???
Another sign of the ice giving way, before they can get to their ships, no???

:shrug:

Oh hell... now I don't even know what I'm saying, LOL!!!

:silly:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:55 PM
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8. Just another blaring example of RW extremist racism & persecution
of the religious minority. These people have NO idea that this country was settled as a place for freedom of religion, NO idea.

AntiAmerican Morons.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:56 PM
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9. "why are we allowing " ???
I was not aware that any free American, Congressman or not, had to be "allowed" to do anything when it comes to swearing oaths. In fact, I believe one can "affirm" instead of "swear" if one so chooses, and in doing so follows the teachings of Jesus, who said, "33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." (St. Matthew, Chapter 5, King James Version) I believe this Dennis Prager person is trying to stir up the malevolence of the ignorant - not that it's very hard to do.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:58 PM
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10. pppffffftttt
Oath of Office:

"I, Loyal Citizen of the Republic, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Now, it seems to me that if we have to bring religion into it, the best course of action would be to have the person taking the oath to swear upon his/her God instead of someone else's.

My personal preference, however, (which will probably knock the rest of the shit out of Dennis' carcass) is that we leave that last sentence out all together. Alternatives could be:

Pinky swear.
On my honor.
I give my word.
So help me God, Goddess or other civilized sanctioned deity of the day.
On my mother's grave.
And I double-dog dare anyone to try and stop me.
I promise.

*sigh* Why must we all affirm the Christian god?
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:58 PM
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11. Taking the oath on the bible is not required!!
These right wingers have no clue.

from the government's information web site:
http://usinfo.state.gov/special/inauguration/inauguration_oath.html

The president-elect traditionally takes the oath with his hand on a Bible. However, this is not a requirement -- Theodore Roosevelt took the oath in 1901 without swearing on a Bible.

I would imagine if that is good enought for Teddy and taking the office of the President it is ample precident enough for any Congressman.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:29 PM
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13. Wouldn't taking an oath on
a book that he doesn't believe in be rather useless? The whole point of taking an oath on something is that it has meaning to you.

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Goat or Panic Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:56 PM
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14. WTF?
"...imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath?"
When we start electing Nazis to public office, the book the get sworn in on is going to be the least of our problems.

or
Alternate response:

What book did Trent Lott use?

Considering how many racists have been in public office through out history, Prager's argument falls kinda flat.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:08 AM
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15. This guy goes too far, but....
How many Jewish politicians have been sworn in with a Torah instead of a Bible?

How will we swear in our first Wiccan politician, when Wiccans have no "holy book" at all?


I'm not agreeing with this writer's histrionics, I'm just seriously wondering...as we become more diverse, how is this going to be handled in the future?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:12 AM
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16. Okay, asshole. Make them all swear the oath on THE CONSTITUTION
and be done with it.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:53 AM
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18. Aw, CRIMINY. dennis prager. What a fucking boorish holier-than-thou.
Mr. I'm-more-moral-than-you. He blighted the airwaves here in L.A. for FAR too long. Still at it, unfortunately, but thank God we have Air America here, too. I enjoy pretending this sanctimonious putz doesn't exist.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:00 AM
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19. I heard a winger
talk about this on the radio today, his bone of contention was that the Koran and what's printed in it, run directly in opposition to the constitution, not that the constitution says that the bible is what must be sweared upon, but that the Koran and the constitution are directly at odds with one another by their words.

Are there any Koran scholars out there that know what he's referring to?

I've never read it so I haven't a clue.
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