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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:11 AM
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Breaking:Iraqi lawmakers and cabinet
members loyal to Al Sadr have carried out their threat to withdraw from Al Maliki's government. Freedom is on the march.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:12 AM
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1. Mission Accomplished.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:13 AM
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2. where was this reported?
haven't heard it or read it yet....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:16 AM
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4. CNN n/t
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:18 AM
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6. thanks!
:)
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:17 AM
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5. I would like to know, this, too.
I looked around and could not find anything...but at this time in the morning and my age, that does not mean a whole heck of a lot! LOL

Need coffee.....:boring:
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:14 AM
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3. do we have enough helicopters ready to airlift our people out?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:21 AM
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10. Finally, we'll get the rose peddles strewn at our feet.
Will the last American out of the Green Zone please hit the destruct button?

Is Baghdad burning? Is Baghdad burning? . . .
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:18 AM
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7. Three little feuding fiefdoms are easier to manage for the oil multinationals
than one big pain in the ass dictator.

I'll bet this was the gist of Cheney's (still) oh-so-secret energy task force meetings.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:19 AM
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9. I completely agree
will we ever get to see the documents of the meetings? :argh:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:23 AM
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11. After Cheney has his terminal health event.
The Vice Premier had a cold, and died yesterday, Radio Moscow reports.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:33 AM
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18. Are you talking about this
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/29/russia.illness.reut/index.html

I could think of thousands of Russians who would want Yegor Gaidar dead, buthe isn't ded yet. He destroyed the lives of so many Russians with those economic reforms.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:44 AM
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23. No, hadn't heard about that. Hmm. A lot of synchronicity on this thread.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 09:52 AM by leveymg
Can't be long now until we start seeing the corpses filing up in Washington, too.

As there's no mechanism for Executive accountability (e.g., a No-Confidence vote), there will be hell to pay in some other way.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:42 AM
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22. I dunno
I realize there many who think this chaos is intentional for the reasons you stated. I have trouble with that concept since, under the chaotic circumstances in Iraq it is practically impossible to produce hydrocarbons, much less have the Exxon-Mobils, etc come in to develop more prospects. The sabotage is almost endless of the pipelines and oil fields.

It does tend to suppress worldwide production which increases oil prices, so that would fit the theory.

In any event, the consequences are what you describe, whether that is their intention or not.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:47 AM
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27. More likely the latter theory fits best - managed chaos increases prices.
The managed part is key to understanding pricing in the global oil market, and the timing of political events, such as this.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:55 AM
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33. Let's see--you've got Kurdistan, Sunnistan, and, uh
West Iran. Uh-oh.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:04 AM
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36. Watch for round two: Turkish-Kurdish War
Of course, Iran will join Turkey in that. So much for hopes of cementing Turkey firmly within NATO and the European Union.

The consequences of this are vast, and perhaps not undesirable if you're Saudi or Iranian.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:08 AM
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37. Yep--it's already happening.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 10:08 AM by smoogatz
Watch also for uprisings in Saudi Arabia's oppressed Shi'a population, which could be very ominous, indeed.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:11 AM
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39. No, not yet for S.A. That's part of the end-game strategy.
Gotta keep those fields pumping -- disruption of the Saudi supply would crash the global markets, at this point. All the pieces aren't in place for dealing with that, yet.

Give it 2 more years.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:01 AM
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41. You assume that the neoconsters control everything.
You're forgetting about Iran, which isn't inclined to play along (hence all the bogus anti-Iran hysteria). If there's all-out sectarian warfare between Sunni and Shi'a in Iraq, it WILL spill over into SA--it's just a matter of time.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:23 PM
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43. No, I don't assume the neocons are in control. This is>


Either we get that thing under control, or it's going to roll over everyone, America included.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:19 AM
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8. The "developing" banner from the top of the CNN home page:
Lawmakers and cabinet ministers loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have suspended their membership in Iraq's government because of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's summit with President Bush, The Associated Press reports.

http://www.cnn.com/

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:23 AM
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12. I saw this on CNN
And came here looking for the story. I was surprised to not see it in LBN.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:23 AM
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13. Is Cluster Fuck one word or two? It is going to be used alot, learn the correct spelling...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:25 AM
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14. For real
Maliki is a walking dead man. He won't know whether Bushco or Al Sadr arranged his exit.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:25 AM
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15. al-Maliki won't be retuning to Iraq
just a prediction. He'll find some pretense or other to either stay in Jordan or visit Tehran.

Something like that.

If he does return, it will be only a matter of time before he is arrested or killed by someone.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:28 AM
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17. Great minds think alike
Check the timing of our posts. :D
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:34 AM
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19. I've been thinking this for a while.. that the next time Maliki
left Iraq, he would be ousted. But then, unlike the Thailand situation, this will not be a bloodless coup, which is why he would likely be killed or at least arrested if he returns.

Two lame ducks meeting in Jordan about a war that neither of them have to power to stop or even slow down anymore. And Bush is too stubborn and too stupid to now remove our troops from harm's way.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:53 AM
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29. 100% correct n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:26 AM
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16. on Yahoo now: "Al-Sadr loyalists boycott Iraq government "
Ruh-Roh!

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Lawmakers and cabinet ministers loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have suspended participation in parliament and the government to protest Prime minister Nouri al-Maliki's summit with U.S. President George W. Bush.

A statement issued Wednesday by the 30 lawmakers and five Cabinet ministers said their action was necessary because the meeting constituted a "provocation to the feelings of the Iraqi people and a violation of their constitutional rights." The statement did not explain that claim.

Al-Maliki and Bush are meeting in Amman, the Jordanian capital, Wednesday and Thursday looking for ways to end the violence in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:35 AM
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20. I think Bush is in some deep Scooby shit.(nt)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:49 AM
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28. Cheney goes first.
They have to appoint the Chosen One (McCain) as VP before they dump Shrub.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:53 AM
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31. Yep...
and if they do it next year, McCain will be able to run for two more terms. (If a VP becomes President he may run for President a second time if the term he filled for the preceeding President did not have more than two years in it.)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:55 AM
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34. To complete the process, Lieberman jumps ship, handing the Senate
back to them for the next two years.

Call it, "Mission Accomplished". Indeed.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:41 AM
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21. the headline should read; Iraqi lawmakers and cabinet BREAKING!
Mission accomplished indeed.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:44 AM
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24. LOL
Discussion on CNN now.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:47 AM
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25. I love the "omnipotence theorist" above


No matter what happens, there is a sheet of tinfoil that will cover it and conform perfectly to it. The allpowerfulomnipotentcheneyites have things under control, no matter how out of control things get.



sheesh! grow a brain morans, or we're screwn. I'm series.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:54 AM
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32. Quit throwing asparagus at America!
Why do you hate America?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:59 AM
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35. They do play chess. They are past Grand Masters at it.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 09:59 AM by leveymg
They didn't get into power without contingency plans for how to keep it in the event of "worst case" scenarios, if indeed that's what this really is.

Not tin-foil, just Kremlin Watching.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:08 AM
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38. Cheney's toast, anyway.
He's outlived his usefulness, and wasn't really the Brains behind the outfit, anyway.

That lives in a Houston glass tower.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:19 AM
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40. There you go casting asparagus again.
I am really skewered!
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:47 AM
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26. we need to get these ass clowns out of office.
that's about all I wanted to say.

Dapper
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:53 AM
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30. Al-Sadr loyalists boycott Iraq government
Lawmakers and cabinet ministers loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr have suspended participation in parliament and the government to protest Prime minister Nouri al-Maliki's summit with U.S. President George W. Bush

A statement issued Wednesday by the 30 lawmakers and five Cabinet ministers said their action was necessary because the meeting constituted a "provocation to the feelings of the Iraqi people and a violation of their constitutional rights." The statement did not explain that claim.

Al-Maliki and Bush are meeting in Amman, the Jordanian capital, Wednesday and Thursday looking for ways to end the violence in Iraq.

Meanwhile, fierce fighting on Wednesday between coalition forces and insurgents shut down the city of Baqouba, which has been roiled by violence in recent days, killing scores of militants and civilians.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:02 AM
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42. I think their membership was only symbolic from the start nt
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