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Cruzan Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:13 PM
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Crimes Without Victims
The following material comes from a book. Since the material has been taken out of context, I will not mention the name of the book nor the author.

In the United States, and in much of the rest of the world, it is currently illegal to seek certain experiences of pleasure. Seek pleasure by a forbidden means, even in the privacy of your own home, and men with guns may kick in the door and carry you away to prison for it. One of the most surprising things about this situation is how unsurprising most of us find it. As in most dreams, the very faculty of reason that would otherwise notice the strangeness of these events seems to have succumbed to sleep.

Behaviors like drug use, prostitution, sodomy and the viewing of obscene materials have been categorized as "victimless crimes." Of course, society is the tangible victim of almost everything human beings do -- from making noise to manufacturing chemical waste -- but we have not made it a crime to do such things within certain limits. Setting these limits is invariably a matter of assessing risk. One could argue that it is, at the very least, conceivable that certain activities engaged in private, like the viewing of sexually violent pornography, might incline some people to commit genuine crimes against others. There is a tension, therefore, between private freedom and public risk. If there were a drug, or a book, or a film, or a sexual position that led 90 percent of its users to rush into the street and begin killing people at random, concerns over private pleasure would surely yield to those of public safety. We can also stipulate that no one is eager to see generations of children raised on a steady diet of methamphetamine and Marquis de Sade. Society as a whole has an interest in how its children develop, and the private behavior of parents, along with the contents of our media, clearly play a role in this. But we must ask ourselves, why would anyone want to punish people for engaging in behavior that brings no significant risk of harm to anyone? Indeed, what is startling about the notion of a victimless crime is that even when the behavior in question is genuinely victimless, its criminality is still affirmed by those who are eager to punish it. It is in such cases that the true genius lurking behind many of our laws stands revealed. The idea of a victimless crime is nothing more than a judicial reprise of the Christian notion of sin.

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Anyone who believes that God is watching us from beyond the stars will feel that punishing peaceful men and women for their private pleasure is perfectly reasonable. We are now in the twenty-first century. Perhaps we should have better reasons for depriving our neighbors of their liberty at gunpoint. Given the magnitude of the real problems that confront us -- terrorism, nuclear proliferation, the spread of infectious disease, failing infrastructure, lack of adequate funds for education and health care, etc. -- our war on sin is so outrageously unwise as to almost defy rational comment. How have we grown so blind to our deeper interests? And how have we managed to enact such policies with so little substantive debate?

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Taking happiness and suffering as our starting point, we can see that much of what people worry about under the guise of morality has nothing to do with the subject. It is time we realized that crimes without victims are like debts without creditors. They do not even exist. Any person who lies awake at night worrying about the private pleasures of other[s] has more than just too much time on his hands; he has some unjustifiable beliefs about the nature of right and wrong.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:35 PM
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1. Great post!
Don't suppose you'd let us in on the source?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:59 PM
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2. Sam Harris
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Cruzan Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:00 PM
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3. Sorry, it's second hand -- I don't know either.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:04 PM
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4. no prohibition of any kind anywhere has ever succeeded
in stopping any human behavior.

It is pointless and counter-productive to attempt such prohibitions.

Victimless crimes and acts between consenting adults should be completely outside of any legal limits.
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