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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:14 PM
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Iran president Ahmadinejad gives a word of advise to Dems

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/29/ahmadinejad.letter/

Ahmadinejad's letter to Americans

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I'd also like to say a word to the winners of the recent elections in the US:

The United States has had many administrations; some who have left a positive legacy, and others that are neither remembered fondly by the American people nor by other nations.

Now that you control an important branch of the US Government, you will also be held to account by the people and by history.

If the US Government meets the current domestic and external challenges with an approach based on truth and Justice, it can remedy some of the past afflictions and alleviate some of the global resentment and hatred of America. But if the approach remains the same, it would not be unexpected that the American people would similarly reject the new electoral winners, although the recent elections, rather than reflecting a victory, in reality point to the failure of the current administration's policies. These issues had been extensively dealt with in my letter to President Bush earlier this year.

...

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
29 November 2006
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:17 PM
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1. I see he's picked up on the repuke's meme..."The Dems didn't win, the repukes lost."
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 12:17 PM by in_cog_ni_to
:eyes: Thanks for the advice Mahmoud.:eyes:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:19 PM
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That wasn't even the best line....it was this...
"What have the Zionists done for the American people that the US administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous aggressors? Is it not because they have imposed themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and media sectors?"
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:14 PM
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7. well....

First of all, throughout the letter he doesn't just mean Jewish-American Zionists. He surely knows of the right wing 'Christian' kind (i.e. Dubya and Robertson) and the liberal Jewish kind, otherwise I think he'd use the religious and ethnic/tribal terms as more poignant.

As for influence...there simply is a pretty large chunk of older Jewish-American men of means and fairly high positions who have made a set of right wing views about the Middle East and commitments to the right wing governing elites of Israel the emotional center of their lives. Many are aligned with Democrats in most or all other elements of American life and politics. Wolfowitz and Perle are just the most obvious and foolish of this group, but they have a lot of friends and advocates- the Sulzberger NYT is quite a hotbed with Judy Miller, Tom Friedman, and Charles Krauthammer (or is he WaPo?), for example. And people like Allan Dershowitz who do things like defend Israel's torture of Palestinians, then American abuses at Abu Ghraib learned from Israeli "specialists". There's all of "Commentary" magazine, too, in which you can see all the paid advocates ('neocons') and True Believers and even a few of these magnates, like Edgar Bronfman, pontificate about Jewish-American internal politics and Israel's right to torture/kill Palestinians and against their post-tribalist bete noirs (e.g. Noam Chomsky, Peter Finkelstein, Michael Lerner, Hannah Arendt, Martin Buber, Meretz, Shalom Achshav, Amos Oz, David Grossman, the 'New Historians', Reform Judaism, much of German Jewry (vs Jewish Pale Ashkenazim), gay marriage), and against "pro-Arab" folks like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. (A.J.Heschel and Susannah Heschel get passed over in silence.)

If you want to look at their influence in the Party, it is diminishing but was very high- these people are practically the only highly wealthy demographic that has backed Democrats throughout its post-LBJ permanent minority period, largely because Republicans were overtly anti-Semitic and backed Israel as a regional Cold War proxy/prostitute. Have a look at the AIPAC effort (AIPAC is/was the center of their political game) and who they went to and what their ugly arguments and threats went to when Bush Sr denied money to Israel for more colonization/building on Palestinian land in 1990 or 1991. Then there's the Jonathan Pollard affair. Rumors around MIT (where he is still employed) are that John Deutsch was fired as CIA Director in iirc 1998 because they found materials ostensibly leaked to 'friends of Israel' on his laptop, not (as alleged publicly) porn or routine classified office papers for home viewing. At this point Joe Lieberman is probably the epitome of the their relationship with Democrats, and the likes of Mike Bloomberg, Norm Coleman, Tom Lantos, Eric Cantor, Diane Feinstein, and Jane Harman also reflect the conflictedness and attempts to suffuse or compromise the two conflicting ideological elements.

If you want to know the existing influence of hardcore 'pro-Israel' Democrats, look at the Iraq war positions of the Senators from the tri-state area. Menendez comes in late and is anti-continuation of war. Dodd is intentionally wishy-washy. Hillary Clinton, Schumer, and Lautenberg have electorates and a Party that that are as anti-war as anywhere in the country but they still refuse to change their public position on the war. Privately, Clinton and Lautenberg have apparently considered Iraq a near-dead enterprise and failure for 2 or 3 years- but they can't afford to say so openly. Schumer is no fool, he knows perfectly well that Iraq is a backfire and disaster, but he smartly hasn't let slip a hint of doubt about his pro-war vote as far as I know. I won't say these people are bought, per se, but NY/NJ are extremely expensive states in which to run political campaigns. Underlying that are enough ethnic and class factionalism and old group grudges left in and around New York City, which any overt or covert energetic and unrelenting ugly PR campaign can exploit to damage any politician to the point that it isn't worth staying in office. Especially with the 'Pinch' Sulzberger NYT having the hardline 'pro-Israel' i.e. pro-Likudnik political line it does and demanding it of local and national leaders, along with the WSJ and Daily News more than willing to damage any Democrat at any opportunity whatsoever.

I don't think any of this is unknown in Teheran. And, like a lot of bad right wing screeds, the formal 'argument' made by Ahmedinajad can in many ways be discounted on its face. But like those screeds, the contents do touch on and suggest some fundamental problem that Democrats at present have not adequately addressed. In the form of Joe Lieberman in particular, but also in form of the Clintons and others, we do have a problem of many Democratic leaders and voters having right wing commitments involving Israel/the Middle East that don't reconcile well with the increasingly committed center-Left position of the Party on international relations elsewhere and at home.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:19 PM
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2. keep it to yourself, you powerless popinjay
i hear your ayatollah calling. run on home.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:47 PM
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3. What he is saying is what we could figure out on our own. There
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 12:49 PM by higher class
is hope around the world that someone can straighten this country out. If not, we are formal imperialists and barbarians who massacre, lie, and steal with the best in history.

Yes, the win represents hope - it also represents malicious deviousness. The Republicans could have stolen the Senate (as they have stolen elections in the past and recently) if they wanted to - but, they want to be able to accuse the Dems of failure for not pulling the country out of debt in the two years we have to fight the administration. But, it's still their guys in the Treasury and all important positions.

I always thought that accusations that Jews were running the country was unfair, ridiculous. When it's worded as Zionists, I can't really come up with a sure (for me) answer. I've seen and observed, heard, and read too many damaging truths in the last six years. It appears Zionists have embedded themselves in critical positions and heavily in Republican administrations. I abhor the outcome when it comes to a wanting a safe world.

In all, Ahmadinejad is saying what most of us already know. We have to face facts. We are a very imperfect country. But, he should heed his own words.

I reject all imperialistic and barbarian acts and partnerships in all its forms.

The only way to work out in this new era and on this changing planet is to honor the little people and the land and air resources they/we all share and deserve and have been given. We don't need radicals and those who think they should own it all and control us all.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:35 PM
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8. So he merely changed the word Jew to Zionist
Which gives lie to all the anti-semitic a-holes hiding behind the term Zionist.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:54 PM
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4. I think he is saying that if the Dems allow the Chimp his way, Then the Dems are no better.

And at least in that, he is right.

The Dems have to at some point say ENOUGH, no more funding, support or whatever for this insane war policy.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:12 PM
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6. I think he is also saying that you have a chance to redeem the good will
of other countries, and possibly some respect around the world that we have lost this past 6 years. In other words, keep the asshole in check.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:11 PM
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5. What an asshole.
As one of the kidnappers of our embassy staff during the Carter administration he is at least partly responsible for the rise of Ronald Reagen and our current government. It was Reagen that encouraged and armed Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war. How many lives did that cost?

If there's a lesson in this for us there's a lesson in it for him. When you have a reasonable and responsible leader like Jimmy Carter make the best of it not the worst of it. Deal with him or her as the case maybe because the alternative could be a lot worse.
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