ANYONE Who Supported the Campaign for a 2nd Bush Term Who is Currently

[mondo joe]

eligible to serve in the military out to volunteer for Iraq or be drafted.

They supported this war. That includes the Young Republicans.



And it includes these two.



End of story.

[wulfwolf]

1. ....

Why not you?


Hell, why not ANYONE/EVERYONE who is eligible?


Why not? The more the merrier right?

[mondo joe]

3. Because some of us OPPOSED the war and his campaign.

Duh.

[Name removed]

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[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I did my time

and if you hang around DU long enough you will find that many here ARE vets, in some cases from THIS conflict.

Now as to your question... the only reason your ass is not in front of a draft board is becuase this idiot learned from Nam... if we make EVERYBODY realize there is a war for real, they might not like it and take to streets.

Now if you voted for him and you have other priorities, and you supported this war at any stage, we have a name for that...

Chickenhawk

[wulfwolf]

11. ....

Okay, thanks for letting me know.


The only reason that my name isn't in a draft, is because: A) Shit would hit the can if it happened. B) Congress isn't going to touch, they know that it's political suicide.

Actually, I didn't vote last election because i couldn't vote yet.

Chickenhawk?

Hmmm....like the chicken hawks who have never served in the military, who have never seen war first hand, and who preach against war...and, against the troops who serve?

I'm against war, but I'm not against troops.

[mondo joe]

12. Who preached against the troops? You might want to tone down your RW talking

points.

[wulfwolf]

22. ....

I'm talking about, for example:

My mother during the 60s, she protested against Vietnam, next thing she knew there was protest against the soldiers.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22anti+military%22">Search

Funny thing is fella, I'm not RW. I'm fairly LW.

In fact, I follow (to an extent) Individualist Anarchy/ism.

[mondo joe]

24. ChickenHAWKS by definition do not protest wars.

Duh.

[wulfwolf]

30. ....

Yes/No.


Someone can support a war for a reason, but be against it another.


For example: Someone who supported the war in Iraq, because they felt that it was (regardless of what Bush said) a way for the Iraqi's to have freedom/democracy, and to be able to choose the way they want to live, instead of under a dictator who assumed power in a coup. However, you can oppose the tactics, the approach in the war.


Sorry if I don't make sense, or if i seem off kilter. I've been up for about 27 hours packing and cleaning, getting read to move cross country. I should go to bed, but there's the insomniac in me lurking.

[mondo joe]

32. Again: ChickenHAWKS by definition do not protest wars.

Why don't you learn what words mean if you're going to try to use them?

And no matter what you thought of any other war, if you supported THIS president you supported his policies so this ought to be your war.

[wulfwolf]

35. ....

My apologies, I was under the impression it included other meanings.

Secondly, I never supported him. I didn't even vote for him as i couldn't vote.

I supported the war as a means of spreading democracy, and stopping Hussein's terror.


I admit now, that it was the wrong way, and that if i could go back and withdraw my support, i would. I've drifted to being against the war over time, try like late '03 after i realized "wtf was i thinking."

[ET Awful]

37. So when you said the following, what did you mean?

"That's why I supported Bush for a second term, despite my dislike of him."

You were lying then or now, which is it?

[wulfwolf]

56. .....

I did hope that if he was elected, that he would own up and accept responsibility for what he did, and change it, but i didnt support him. I supported Clark.

You do realize that not every time, some one has to be lying, right?


If you knew me, which you don't, you would know that I support freedom, liberty, rights, etc... to the utmost extreme. As I've said to others, my goal in life is: Peace, prosperity, love, happiness, etc... If I can't help change the world, then at least i can promote it in my life.

[ET Awful]

60. Your exact words are there for everyone to see.

YOU said you supported him, not me, not anyone else here. YOU.

Obviously the first statement or the second have to be a lie because they are in opposition to each other.

Also, how can you say you thought he'd change his policies when his entire campaign revolved around continuing with more of the same?

[wulfwolf]

74. ......

I was referencing where the commentor mentioned responsibility. I supported him, because I wanted to see him own up, i.e. take responsibility. Obviously, he hasn't. I admit my hope was misplaced.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[ET Awful]

90. According to Albert Einstein, Insanity is

doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Like electing Bush for example.

How could anyone with an IQ above that of the average cucumber expect him to "take responsibility?"

Hell, he hasn't even accepted responsibility for his DUI that occurred over 30 years ago.

[wulfwolf]

92. ......

It's because there are different beliefs, etc... Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to others. Trust me, my mother is hardline conservative. Anti democrat, anti liberal, etc...the whole nine yards. She has her beliefs, no matter how off the wall i think they are. It's life, welcome to it.



Hey, I had hope.

:|

It was soon dashed. In a way, I'm thankful.

[Binka]

137. Your Mother Protested The Vietnam War But Now She Is With The Pro War Party?

Interesting.:eyes: Even though she has a son of draft age if that were brought back. Interesting.:eyes:

Yer just a bit too big for your britches at 19 Sparky to be trying to explain life to 40 somethings. Welcome to the Majors dude. You have had your ass handed to you tonight. Ready for bed yet?

[mondo joe]

40. You said in post 15 you did support Bush. See below.

Make up your mind.

And I'm sure for all the people who have died in Iraq and will in the days to come, your "oops my bad" is a meaningful consolation.

[wulfwolf]

54. ....

What?

[mondo joe]

55. Read post #15. NT

[niyad]

48. according to your profile, you are 25, so you most certainly COULD have voted in the last election,

and the one in 2000 as well, unless you were a felon or something?
please do enlighten us as to why shit would hit the fan if you were drafted, that is an absolutely fascinating comment.

[wulfwolf]

53. .....

Erm, where the heck does it say that?

I'm not 25, I'm not even 20 yet.


Secondly, I meant if there was a draft. My apologies, i didn't clarify.

There's that little thing that happens when you suddenly have a couple hundred replies.

[Binka]

36. What A Load Of Pants

Do you really believe that the Iraqis have freedom and democracy? Do you think they are enjoying the way they are being forced to live?

You aren't making sense and I don't think it has anything to do with being exhausted. You are grossly naive and misinformed.

Go enlist Sparky and see your freedom parade on the march.

[wulfwolf]

45. ....

Do you really think that America was suddenly alright when it strived for democracy and freedom?

Things take time.

If they so choose to revert to a dictatorship, then so be it. At least they have had the chance to choose.

[mondo joe]

50. The chance to choose dictatorship? LOL! Kid, do yourself a favor and

STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD.

[wulfwolf]

66. ......

Well, I'm leaving the option open because I don't know the Iraqi mindset. They might want to live under a dictatorship, hell I don't know.

Maybe they prefer anarchy...I don't know.

[mondo joe]

69. If you don't know their mindset maybe you shouldn't have supported

the war?

Over half a million Iraqis have been killed in this war and there is no sign of that letting up.

The PEOPLE aren't choosing ANYTHING there right now.

Is that too fucking hard for you to understand?

[wulfwolf]

76. ......

And not let them have a chance at freedom, at choice?

Yes, lives have been lost, and that sucks horribly. Believe me, I dont' like that. I don't like death of any kind. If we could've waged a different kind of war, i.e. a propaganda war and not have sent troops in...so that the loss of life was minimal, or nill - i'd have been happier.

I'm not at fault for the war. Bush and his groupies are, they are the ones who went blindly in, and without realize the repercussions.

[mondo joe]

102. They had as much of a choice beforethe ar as they do now. Perhaps

more.

What choice do they have now, with a civil war and a government installed by the US?

The fact is that IDIOTS who didn't even know how ignorant they were supported and started this war.

[wulfwolf]

108. .....

So, I was an idiot because I wanted to see Iraq have a chance at freedom instead of living under Hussein?

*shrugs*

Whatever floats your boat dude.

[mondo joe]

110. No, you were an idiot for thinking this would give them a chance at

freedom.

[wulfwolf]

113. ....

I admit, I was naive/idealistic.

[mondo joe]

115. Then don't tell those of us who knew better to do our research.

We already did.

And if you war mongers did too, things would look different today.

[wulfwolf]

125. ....

Hello, I'm not a war monger.

Geesh.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

121. You should check out LBN today

Rather than just hang around GD spewing nonsense.

Read. Learn.

Here's some highlights:


Presidents Jalal Talabani of Iraq and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran held talks Wednesday hours before U.S.
President George W. Bush was due to meet with the Iraqi prime minister in Jordan in talks aimed at finding
a solution to Iraq's spiraling bloodshed.

Ahmadinejad vowed that Iran "will stand by its Iraqi brothers," saying "no one can divide nations of Iran and Iraq."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/11/29/international/i102533S99.DTL


White House counselor Dan Bartlett denied that the move was a snub by al-Maliki or was related to the leak of a White House memo questioning the prime minister's capacity for controlling violence in Iraq.

"Absolutely not," Bartlett said." He said the king and the prime minister had met before Bush arrived from a NATO summit in Latvia. "It negated the purpose for a meeting of the three of them," Bartlett said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bush

All in all you've not picked the best day to present this argument. Actually, this may be the worst day since 2002 for this argument.

Whatever is taking place in Iraq it isn't freedom for the people of Iraq, and it would appear that our puppet we instilled there may well have switched sides.

We've destabilized the region with our meddling and now Iraq is turning to Iran for help as the Saudis mention stepping into the fray. Even the best spinmaster cannot spin this into a US win.

If you come away today with only one thing you've learned let it be this, this is not the road to the mythical freedom in Iraq that Americas were told it would be 2002.

[wulfwolf]

128. ....

Yeah, tell me about it. :-(

Sadly, I wish it was better. I wish there was a better country for them, no death, none of it.

I admit that it's not so, and something needs to be done about it.

Personally, I'd like to see the troops home.

[ET Awful]

17. Do you even know what the term chickenhawk means?

A chickenhawk is, by definition, someone who is in favor of war, but it is not willing to go to war themeselves. Just break down the two terms they are hawkish on war, but are chickens on a personal level, you end up with chickenhawk.

There is no such thing as a chickenhawk who preaches against war.

[wulfwolf]

33. ....

*runs around like a chicken with it's head off...all the replies*


See comment # 25.

[ET Awful]

34. No, that is NOT what it means.

You might want to learn a few things.

Here, perhaps this will help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

Wake up and do your research, otherwise, you're simply making yourself sound like an ill-informed child .

[wulfwolf]

46. ....

My apologies.

[Binka]

31. Wow You Are Special. Shit Would Hit The Can If YOU Got Drafted?

You and your RW talking points are disingenuous and trite. Please stop trying to paint DUers as against the troops. That is so 2004 dude and many of us have kids that actually have been to Iraq and got blown to shit. That includes me.

Why don't you go enlist?

[wulfwolf]

38. ....

My RW talking points? Tell me, what are they?




Oh, and the reason I cannot enlist, is because:


A) I'm in college

B) I'm disabled, with a collapsed lower right lung, paralyzed diaphragm, sleep apnea, pulminary hypertension, enlarged heart, and high co2 levels.

[ET Awful]

43. A is nonsense, being in college does not preclude you from enlisting

In fact it wouldn't even preclude you from a draft if one were instituted. Educational deferrments have been eliminated.

As to "B", I've heard the stories before, it seems like every time I get a youngster involved in a discussion like this, they all of a sudden become invalids. Of course, they only mention their disabilities AFTER you corner them on all other arguments.

Sorry if I sound callous for doubting any "disability" you may have, but I've seen this same pattern too many times to count, and I don't believe it anymore.

[wulfwolf]

78. .....

A - your choice.

B - *shrugs* I don't blame you, you said it yourself that you've "heard the stories before, it seems like every time I get a youngster involved in a discussion like this, they all of a sudden become invalids. Of course, they only mention their disabilities AFTER you corner them on all other arguments." It's not me, and I'm being completely honest. If there was a way i could prove it, i would, but i cannot think of anyway at the moment.

Best wishes

~L

[mondo joe]

44. Your RW talking points including the line that those who oppose the war

oppose the troops.

And there's nothing about being in college that prevents anyone from enlisting.

[wulfwolf]

71. ......

Eh, I said that???

I doubt that is what i meant, perhaps you misundertood? I'm against the war, so by my own logic - i'd be anti-troops as well. Which I'm not.

[Binka]

51. Jesus Grow Up Sparky. What RW Talking Points? HAH!

Your bullshit about democracy and freedom in Iraq are just a start. If you are fit enough to attend college and pack for a cross country move and stay up for 27 hours you are able to go to Iraq.

Get your democracy on kid. Go ENLIST!

[wulfwolf]

79. .....

Okay, ask others then. Ask those who help promote it, like Freedom House, etc...

Mothers, fathers, sons, etc...anyone that fits your prereq's, have them enlist.


What's wrong with wanting freedom and democracy?

Remember, "If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other." ~Charles Schurz

[mondo joe]

106. THe Iraq war was never about freedom or democracy.

But certainly those who thought it was a good idea ought to be the first to be there.

[wulfwolf]

112. .....

Granted, hindsight has shown me that. What can I say, i was pretty idealistic then, border line chornically naive.

As I've said before...if there was an alternative to war so that the iraqi's could have freedom, i would've been happier. I wish there was, I do. You don't think I do? I keep up with what is going on in Iraq, I cry because there is death and destruction. I feel guilty over my minor support for their freedom, and those whom i trusted would do things efficiently, and not fuck up.

[mondo joe]

120. Oh boo hoo, I'm weeping for your suffering. Now why do you think those

who OPPOSED the war should be there with those who SUPPORTED it?

Don't you think those who supported it ought to at least enlist to carry out the war they supported?

[wulfwolf]

123. .....

I don't know.

I value choice highly, and so to force them to, it wouldnt set right with me.

Errgh....let me think some about it, okay?

[jgraz]

72. So in other words...

I'm disabled, with a collapsed lower right lung, paralyzed diaphragm, sleep apnea, pulminary hypertension, enlarged heart, and high co2 levels

...you're not nearly as bad off as the 50,000 troops you voted to have maimed and killed.

ETA: or the 655,000+ dead Iraqis

[wulfwolf]

81. ......

I didn't vote. Jesus freaking mary...are you listening? Reading?


I'm flipping 19 years old.

[frylock]

you may want to actually check the definition of chickenhawk before opening your gob..

Chickenhawk is an epithet used in United States politics to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who votes for war, supports war, commands a war, or develops war policy, but has not personally served in the military. Generally, it is not a label applied to essentially "dovish" leaders who support defensive wars, "humanitarian interventions," or UN operations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

[KansDem]

129. "I'm against war, but I'm not against troops."

So you support the troops by sending them to, or keeping them in, a war you are against?

Please explain...I'm all eyes.

[INDIA]

156. "Shit would hit the can"....

LOL!

[mondo joe]

8. If they supported Bush they supported his war. Time for them to

pony up.

Is responsibility for what you called for a foreign concept to you?

And anyone can demand I enlist -- but they won't have a good reason why I should, which distinguishes me from them.

[wulfwolf]

15. ....

No, it isn't.

That's why I supported Bush for a second term, despite my dislike of him.

Hopefully, with the dems in control of congress - that will happen. I hope.

[mondo joe]

18. If you supported Bush's 2nd term, you belong in Iraq too, frankly.

His policy is your policy.

[wulfwolf]

82. ........

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I only supported it in hope that he'd own up, and take responsibility for his cock up.

[mondo joe]

109. You supported him hoping he'd be better than he is? That is pretty fucking

stupid.

You really do belong in Iraq.

[wulfwolf]

114. .....

How does that make me stupid?

I seek the better side in people. I'm open to multiple chances.

I'd be a hypocrit otherwise. I was given second chances, and i took them.


Alas, not everyone can see their errors.

[Binka]

147. Jesus Kid Learn To Spell

Your errors are glaring. Not once not twice but now you have three times proven that you can not fucking spell. What fucking college are you attending? Get a fucking refund.

[AngryOldDem]

163. Whatever made you think he would "own up" to anything?

I can't fathom supporting someone if I didn't agree with his policies, especially as they concerned war.

[ET Awful]

19. If you supported Bush, you SUPPORTED HIS POLICIES

That's kind of the way it works.

If you support someone for President, you are showing support for their policies, whether foreign or domestic.

You can't say you supported Bush but didn't support his policies.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. ....

Yes, it is.

[jgraz]

68. Either get to Iraq, or go down to NOLA and help find the rest of the bodies

After all, you voted for it. All of it. I hope you don't see those dead, broken bodies every time you close your eyes.

Actually, I kinda hope you do.

[wulfwolf]

83. .......

See countless posts where I've said: I DID NOT VOTE

[ET Awful]

14. I'm a vet, 8 years in the US Army, served proudly.

BUT, my opinion has always been that if you support a war, you either support it enough to put yourself and your loved ones into it, or you don't support it at all.

The reason he calls for a certain group to go is because THEY are the people who made it possible for the war to occur in the first place.

It's very simple, if you support those who are still supporting the debacle in Iraq, you are culpable and responsible for the war. You should be willing to put your proverbial money where your mouth is.

[TahitiNut]

57. While I only served for a bit less than two years (in the Army) ...

... I don't recall anyone with whom I served who supported the war. Indeed, it's my recollection that nobody opposes war more than those who serve in a combat zone. (Maybe I'm misremembering? I don't think so.)

[ET Awful]

62. I knew a few (I was infantry).

None of the ones who were so gung-ho for war had ever actually seen combat of course.

[TahitiNut]

41. It's not always easy to deconstruct the DU attitudes on military service.

Slightly more than half of DUers oppose a draft ... unless it's Young Republican "kids" or "chickenhawks." The apparent rationale is that one's political opinion, rather than citizenship, should be the determinant of whether one serves in the military. This is distinct from the right-wing militarist's apparent rationale that those who have no other economic options for health care and education are the most viable candidates for military service.

One of the more prevalent reasons for opposing a draft now is that it would provide more "children" as cannon fodder for the illegal occupation of Iraq, and prolong that debacle. That rationale seems to be easily abandoned if the cannon fodder is composed of "children" with opposing political opinions - which would make it "OK" to perpetuate the occupation of Iraq, I suppose.

The opponents of a draft predominantly reject the notion that a draft would precipitate public opinion in active opposition to an illegal occupation of Iraq, but seem to embrace it for right-wingers, implying that Young Republicans (and their parents) only favor such an occupation since their own asses (or their "kids'" asses) aren't on the line.

Those are just a few highlights of the "diverse" attitudes and platitudes on DU regarding military service - something perceived by many DUers to be a 'punishment' ... but not for those whose economic options are limited. (I'm somehow reminded of Barbara Bush's comment about the displaced people from Louisiana ... having it "better than they're used to" in some cattle pen in Houston. It seems strangely similar to me, but maybe that's just me.)

:hi:

:popcorn:

[wulfwolf]

85. ........

*sighs*

Tell me about it...

I admit, i didn't word my responses the way i meant.


Best wishes.

Peace, ~Lucas

[TahitiNut]

134. Well, we have another tradition on DU.

We eat our young. :rofl: :rofl:

Any attempt to address the topic of military service (particularly in Iraq) and the draft on DU is a bit like smearing hamburger over one's body and walking nude through a pack of hungry wolves.
:evilgrin:

[Zhade]

152. Bye, you fascist Nazi fuck!

[sniffa]

153. mmmm, mmmmm

i Love me some pizza. :9

[driver8]

2. Hell, yes!! Put down the beer bongs and get your ass over there.

Lots of healthy young men in that first picture...let's get them a lottery number!!

[Name removed]

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[yewberry]

Nobody looks good in a box

regardless of how they voted.

[wulfwolf]

7. ....

So, you'd be glad if they fought and died....?

The troops follow orders, they don't have to agree with what they are doing. In fact, they can object to it.

Don't dish the troops for what the gov't does.

[mondo joe]

9. No one is blaming the troops. Just the chickenhawks who support a war

they're too busy to fight.

[wulfwolf]

13. ....

Tell me, who do you feel are chickenhawks?

Do they have to be republican, or other bush supporters?


I.e. are you one sided?

[mondo joe]

16. Chickenhawk is anyone who supported the war or this president

who can serve but doesn't (or didn't).

Yes, I'm one sided - the truth.

[wulfwolf]

25. ....

The truth is reletive fella.

If you don't realize that everyone has their own version of "the truth," then i'm sorry.

Do you actively read, and research? Looking and making sure that what you support is, as you say, "the truth."

[mondo joe]

27. I don't know why you're bothering to type this instead of filling out your

forms to join the army.

You supported Bush and by extension his policies.

Why not see them through?

[wulfwolf]

88. ......

See the posts where i said: I DID NOT SUPPORT BUSH'S POLICIES


Geesh...:-S

[mondo joe]

105. You asid you supported Bush, then that you didn't. How am I supposed

to know when you're telling the truth?

And you supported his war -- so that's on you.

[wulfwolf]

116. ......

Yes, I supported the war, as a means of bringing the swift downfall of saddam, and (naively) the following of democracy.


I supported Bush as a means, a medium throuch which to bring them freedom and democracy. I thought (foolishly/naively), that he would bring it to them.

Bottom line, I was naive. I've realize that.

[ET Awful]

28. He obviously does research and make sure what he says is the truth, that's how

he knows what the term "chickenhawk" means, and you do not.

That's also how he knows that if you support Bush, you are showing support for his policies.

The "truth" is not subjective, it is objective and is always the truth.

That's the funny thing about facts, they're always true.

[wulfwolf]

91. ......

So, tell me...who did you support in the last presidential election. Did you agree with all of their policies, or was there a specific reason you supported them?

Yes, the truth is subjective - to whoever wishes to control it.

Facts can be relied upon at times, but warrents checking, and double/triple checking your sources for bias, agenda, etc...

[ET Awful]

93. I provided reluctant support to Kerry in an effort to depose Bush.

I would have preferred that Dean or Kucinich get the nomination and would have supported either with great enthusiasm.

Truth is NOT subjective. Twisting of truth is a different matter. You can't "control" truth. Truth simply is, and it exists independent of "control."

You have a lot of learning and growing up to do kiddo.

By the way Joe College, the word you're looking for is "warrants".

[wulfwolf]

98. ....

*sighs*

Okay, did you support all of his policies?


What I am trying to say, is that someone's truth is another's lie.

Right, fine...I admit i do.


Okay, so i spelled a word wrong, it happens. What's that supposed to imply?

[ET Awful]

118. What does who I supported have to do with the definition of truth?

The fact remains that truth is truth, regardless of who I support.

You're simply resorting to nonsensical arguments.

If something is true, it remains true.

If I say 2+2=5, that doesn't alter the fact that 2+2 is, in fact, equal to 4.

Truth is an absolute, it is not a variable thing.

[wulfwolf]

99. ....

*sighs*

Okay, did you support all of his policies?


What I am trying to say, is that someone's truth is another's lie.

Right, fine...I admit i do.


Okay, so i spelled a word wrong, it happens. What's that supposed to imply?

[wulfwolf]

100. ....

*sighs*

Okay, did you support all of his policies?


What I am trying to say, is that someone's truth is another's lie.

Right, fine...I admit i do.


Okay, so i spelled a word wrong, it happens. What's that supposed to imply?

[Swamp Rat]

107. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[wulfwolf]

117. ....

Ummm, right.

Okay...well, thanks i guess.

[Swamp Rat]

126. Yes, welcome to DU!

That was a straightforward welcome... :hi: ... with no hidden messages to enlist in the military, for example. Had I wanted to do that, I would have posted this:



:)

[PreacherCasey]

95. What is truth, pray tell? n/t

[PreacherCasey]

73. Truth is certainly not relative. When we say something is true

we mean it is in accord with reality. Reality exists independent of human thought. If human beings no longer existed, universal reality would go on unimpeded.

It is HUMAN THOUGHT which distorts reality and truth. Truth just is.

[symbolman]

29. As a Veteran I suggest you enlist

so you don't waste people's times on boards acting like you don't know what's going on..

YOU supported Bush, YOU supported the war by voting for him, and NOW if anyone is dissing the Troops YOU are, by NOT JOINING and SUPPORTING THEM in Battle..

Get it?

[Binka]

39. Mr College Republican Is Too Busy Packing To Enlist

And didn't you see the shit would hit the can if he got drafted? Countdown on this piece of sh...oops I mean work.

[wulfwolf]

42. ....

Dude...fella...


1) I'm not a fucking "college republican." I know there's a reply by myself somewhere here that has what i am, i have no clue where it is now. Too many replies....:(

2) Grow up, and quit with the hate and child like attitude.

[mondo joe]

47. "Grow up"? I think growing up means taking responsibility for YOUR OWN

choices.

Unlike some people who supported this war.

[wulfwolf]

58. .....

I've owned up to my mistakes. I've seen my errors and changed.

What more do you feel i should do?

[mondo joe]

61. You owned up to your mistakes? Did the college republicans? Did the

Bush twins?

It must be nice for your owning up to consist of nothing more harsh than changing your mind.

[wulfwolf]

65. .....

Tell me...what lies in the path towards true "salvation." *rolls eyes*

I've payed my dues, what does that have to do with them?

[mondo joe]

67. So what makes you think those who opposed Bush are as obliged to

serve in his war as those who supported him?

[wulfwolf]

94. ........

Did I say that?

[ET Awful]

97. Umm, you basically said it In your first post in this thread.

Or can you remember that far back?

[mondo joe]

103. Yes - you said it in your first posts.

[Binka]

75. Hey College Dude It Is Paid Not Payed

Payed is NOT a fucking word. Exactly what dues have you PAID? Your college young republican dues?

You are beyond the beyond here fella. Go back to the minors or better yet go fucking ENLIST!

[symbolman]

86. I have a new idea

anyone who backs Bush AND Can't SPELL needs to report immediately to the Enlistment center, or be DRAGGED there.

I had my choice, when my draft number was 25, go to Nam, enlist in the AF quickly, go to Canada, or JAIL.

If only I'd had the choice to sit around a keyboard and HASSLE women who've nearly LOST A SON in Bush's war, gee, what a great time that would have been.. with my trusty Starbucks at my side, and my little penis...

[wulfwolf]

104. ....

Fine, that's your opinion.

I disagree.



Good for you, choice is a good thing.


Excuse me? Hassle? All I'm doing is exercizing my right to free speech. I've been relatively polite about it all, despite some folks. (Not implying you)

[symbolman]

124. You're just terrible at this

but at least you're getting that hit count up, that's gotta be worth a free Tote Bag or something..

[BronxBoy]

157. LOL

He's gotta be a fucking comedian testing out his routine! :rofl:

I want to know what college he goes to as well. Especially after you called him on his spelling and then he attemped to spell relative as reletive

[Binka]

70. Hey Fuck You JerkWad I Am A Grown Up And I Almost Lost My Son In This War

I don't have HATE Sparky I have righteous anger. You are a pathetic narcissist and college is obviously lost on you.

[symbolman]

77. Uh, here's a simple warning to the Little Feller..

you don't want to GO THERE with Binka, put the lighter down and move away from the fuse, and speaking as her human shield and a Vet you might remember the quote from another Vet in the Film, "The Big Lebowski"..

"You are entering a world of PAIN."

I would die for Binka. She is a beautiful example of what real women are all about, like my sister the gold miner, who, when she turns her high beams on, makes godzilla look like a gekko :)

[Binka]

101. I Love You Baby Godzilla Is My Mommy

She done raised me well. We Irish women don't take any shit and we don't take prisoners either. Know what I mean?:evilgrin:

I think I will watch The Big Lebowski again tonight. "Dude that rug held the room together."

[symbolman]

119. As for this piss baby whining

there's another line -

"At least *I*m House Trained..." gotta LOVE that movie, anything by the Cohen Bros..

Gonna have to send you a copy of my book (five years in the writing) when I get the first edit done soon, I think you'll love it - got some Hollywood interest in it already, so I'm pumped - Someone who's been in 50 films wants to see that they can do with it :)

It's right up the Cohen Bros alley, actually more like Altman, but to my broken heart he's gone now..

But I think YOUR input would be very valuable to me, think Salinger, Bukowski, Hunter S. Thomson, and Hemmingway (and of course it's autobiographical :)

I need someone who's NO Bullshit to have a peek at it...and I respect you more than most, esp with the Irish in there, I'm Irish and Viking, bad combo.. I tell waiters that people in MY lineage who didn't get good service, don't just NOT leave a Tip, We'd cut OFF the Waiter's HEAD :)

[wulfwolf]

135. ....

That doesn't exempt you from being called an ass when you are an ass.

You were haughty and insulting, it's not right. I'm not going to stand for it.

Now, if you didn't mean to be that way...and i am wrong, then just let me know and I will apologize

I do apologize for thinking you were a fella btw.

[Binka]

150. You're Not Going To Stand For It?

Go suck your thumb baby Sparky. Hey asshat I meant it that way. Jaysus where is the pizza?

[meganmonkey]

87. Binka's not a fella

And I don't recommend messing with the mother of a wounded child.

Especially when he was wounded in the fucked-up, illegal occupation you like to refer to as "bringing democracy to Iraq".

(Hey Binka :hug: you and your family are in my prayers)

[symbolman]

64. Bored

wishing they could get paid for this, but no one will put up the big bucks for bandwidth wasters anymore.. :)

Could be OJT too, I'd give them a D- which is better than Bush's grades as an AIRMAN.. they had to FUDGE the numbers to even get that POS in a PLANE that was no longer in operation in any war theater.. I think he got a 25 out of a hundred, and that meant that he never flew alone, or as we call those guys in the Air Force, BITs "Brains In Trees" if they flew :)

Good to see you Binka, Merry Christmas and PEACE on Earth, despite what the Satanist Right Wing might say :)

[Binka]

84. Good To See You Too

I'm sure Satan is flying his peace flag in hell as we type! Knowing full well the RW has thrown it in the shitter along with our troops.:hi: buddy.:hug:

When is this little know nothing blowhard gonna get the pizza? I should get Ben to kick his arrogant ass.

[symbolman]

89. Ben has more class than that

this is more like a Fly walking on your lips while you're trying to take a nap.. not worth the time to get up and find the fly swatter :)

I hope he's recovering nicely.. is he OUT now? I hope to hell they aren't going to try to send him BACK.

Hugs back atcha :)

[Binka]

130. Oh Yes They Want To Send Him Back

How fucked up is that? March 07 that's the date. I am out of my mind over this. He has raging survivors guilt and anger to fuel his head. But the bastards will not leave him alone.

[symbolman]

133. Can you get him to a Quaker Church?

I think that may be one of the few accredited religions that they MAY allow for Conscionsess (sp?) Objectors.

Then KEEP him out of the US until it's settled.

[wulfwolf]

122. ....

'scuse me, me...."little know nothing blowhard" ?

That's uncalled for.

[symbolman]

132. What uncalled for is YOU insulting

a MOTHER who very nearly LOST her SON in this Bullshit 'war' that YOU Assisted by PROXY when you voted admittedly for BUSH.

This is a DEMOCRATIC Board, NOT a Libertarian, Greenie, "Oops, I Voted for Bush, but I don't support him" Board.

We are here to bring him DOWN from power, some of us have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of their mortgage money, and may need to be a Walmart greeter now, while BINKA nearly lost HER SON.

So don't tell US what's uncalled for... get yourself down to the Personality ReIntegration Center and then COME BACK, as long as it's not run by TRENT LOTT..

[BronxBoy]

159. Well obviously you don't know shit......

And stop pretending that you do.

I guess I would have more respect for your opinions if you didn't keep citing the reason we went to war in Iraq was to spread freedom and democracy. It wasn't

We went to war BECAUSE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND COLIN POWELL SAID SADDAM HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCION AND WE WERE 45 MINUTES FROM A NUKE HITTING AMERICAN SOIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was the original, among many, rationales for the war. and the fact that you continue to mouth the 2nd or 3rd or the rationale for this disaster ( I can't quite remember which one it was) does strongly point to you being a "little know nothing blowhard"

[wulfwolf]

49. .....

See post # 42, and erm......uhhh, there's another post here, somewhere.

[symbolman]

59. get out of my face

with the whining.

People who refuse to fight for their county based on the principalities THEY vote for should LEAVE IT.

[AngryOldDem]

165. Dude, just slowly back away from the keyboard and call it a night

You're in over your head because you can't adequately express your opinions, most likely because you have no clue as to what they are in the first place.

[warrens]

21. I want these yahoos to replace the troops

And die in their place. They're not innocent, they're complicit.

[ET Awful]

20. NOBODY looks good in a box, whether they be Republicans, Democrats

Iraqis, or other. The point is to stop killing, not get more people killed.

[wulfwolf]

63. .....

Exactly

[Ariana Celeste]

111. That is so hateful

and disgusting

:puke:

[WI_DEM]

10. any time we see a draft age or college Republican we should ask them

"Why aren't you in Iraq"?

[AllegroRondo]

52. I carry enlistment papers in my car

just for that reason. I even offer to drive them to the local recruiter.

[symbolman]

80. GOOD FOR YOU

thank god someone is doing that.. I wish I had the money to make the film I've always wanted to make, to follow Young Republicans around, attend their meeting with a Big Stack of Enlistment papers and film the piss running down their leg.. :)

[INDIA]

136. I second that "good for you"

that brought a smile to my face.

[HughBeaumont]

26. I'd start with Mr Smug Baseball Cap guy and his blue-shirted partner next to him.

Is it possible to be THAT damned "young and dumb"? I mean, DAMN. Part of growing up is getting a bullshit detector, you silverspoon toddlers.

"Bush was right" my ace.

[Ariana Celeste]

96. I don't think anyone should be forced to war.

I don't care if they voted for Bush. They shouldn't have to be forced to see the things my husbands stepdad sees. People like him who feel an obligation to protect our country (and I know we aren't protecting shit but that is what he believes) are the ones who should be out there. Not a bunch of dumbass kids. I have 2 family members in Iraq and my best friend is leaving in March. I hate that they are out there. 1 of them voted for Bush, I don't know how the other two voted. And I don't care. They made their choices- one already in the military, volunteering to go out there. The other two joined, knowing damned well what it meant. They knew, and they made that choice, and that's how it should be.

[NeedleCast]

127. Your assessment is a slipery slope

If I support socialism does that mean I should move to Cuba?

If I support animal rights does that mean I should join PETA?

Simply supporting something does not mean one should have to become an active participant.

[mondo joe]

131. Straw man.

Supporting Animal Rights does not necessarily = supporting PETA.

But supporting Bush's 2nd term does = supporting his policies which includes the war in Iraq.

[INDIA]

138. Just to play devil's advocate...

(Keeping in mind that I agree with just about everything you have posted up until this point..)


I support our military involvement in Afghanistan. If there was a hypothetical national referendum on continuing it, I would vote we stay there and increase NATO presence. Am I a hypocrite if I don't enlist to serve in Afghanistan?

[mondo joe]

142. Good question.

I think supporting a particular activity but not another is one thing.

Supporting a candidate whose policy advocates an activity, but then refusing to take part may be another.

In fact I have carefully framed this around Bush's 2004 campaign because I'd even concede that someone might have voted for him in 2000 without realizing what they were getting in the bargain.

[INDIA]

143. Thanks. One more for you...

I'm assuming that you, like me, voted for Kerry in '04. During the campaign Kerry never voiced a strong platform for immediate pullout of Iraq, he was very ambiguous about what he would do as prez. In fact, I thought I remembered rumors of him floating around ideas of increasing troop numbers in Iraq, going against * and Rummy's wishes.

If president Kerry today still had troops in Iraq, would both you and I be hypocrites for not enlisting, considering we supported his presidency which (essentially, possibly, probably) supported continuing involvement?

(Keep in mind, there is no right answer, lol.)

[mondo joe]

144. Hmm.

I'd chalk that one up to the candidate being an uncertain factor -- same generosity I'd give to Bush supporters in 2000.

With Bush in 04 everyone knew what they were getting.

[AllegroRondo]

145. I would say no - to a point

because the involvement in Afghanistan did NOT tax our military to the point where it is unable to sustain the operation. The volunteer force was quite able to handle that mission, and could have continued it if not for Iraq.

Iraq has stretched our military to the breaking, where more and more able bodies are needed to continue. Units are going back 2 and 3 times, and recruiting standards have been relaxed just to meet the most basic troop levels. In this case, the military is calling for more soldiers, yet the people who are fully capable and fully support the war dont think they need to bother.

[INDIA]

148. It's such a shame isn't it?

How much better off would the US, Afghanistan and the rest of the world be if we had stopped after invading Afghanistan?

It's incredible to think of all the benefits.
1. Getting back the lives lost in Iraq.
2. Getting back the billions spent in Iraq.
3. The entire world not hating us. That'd be nice.
4. A much better chance we would have actually caught OBL.
5. A far smaller chance of terror attacks at home and abroad.
6. A strong, capable military with some combat experience.
7. A more stable Afghanistan
8. A successful and peaceful democracy in the ME.


Instead, we get the foreign policy debacle we are in today.

[NeedleCast]

139. You'll have to clear that up for me

So you're telling me if someone supported Bush in 2004, they were also in support of the war? I know quite a few republicans and ex-republicans who would disagree with that assessment.

By your definition, if I support PETA, I'm automatically supporting animal rights. Is this correct? I couldn't possibly just be saying I support PETA to try and hook up with one of the hotties that PETA likes to run around in public?

[ET Awful]

140. In that case, you wouldn't be supporting PETA, you'd be lying to take

advantage of women.

There's a difference. A huge difference.

A more applicable analogy would be if you supported PETA, found out that you disagreed with the majority of what they stood for, then you still supported them, hoping they'd change.

[mondo joe]

141. If you supported Bush in 04 you supported his policies which

necessarily includes the war in Iraq - his chief issue.

And anyone who says otherwise is a hypocrite.

Regarding PETA: this is basic logic. All who support PETA support animal rights; all who support animal rights do not support PETA.

Ifyou're lying you do not in fact support PETA, so your question is moot.

[NeedleCast]

146. I'll just leave off then...

...by saying that I disagree that supporting a candidate means you support all his/her policies and should thus be obliged to physically show your support via active participation. I doubt there's a politician alive who I agree with 100%, yet I still support them. In fact, there have been times that I disagreed with a politician substantially and still supported them because I felt they were the better candidate.

The fact is there are many people I know who are pro-choice who vote Republican because the republican party is more than just pro-choice.

There are many people I know who voted republican who are not religious, even though the current administration is about as close to a theocracy as the US has ever come.

I even know a handful of Democrats who voted against Bush but who supported the war (hello Joe Lieberman).

[mondo joe]

149. Bush RAN on the war.

That was the centerpiece of his campaign.

[Binka]

151. More Agitators Dude

College Repuke dude got tossed and the B team has arrived. Knock yourself out I am done with these assholes.

[NeedleCast]

154. Yes, and?

I still fail to see how this correlates with your statements that if someone voted for Bush, they should be in Iraq right now.

What's the centerpiece of the democratic campaign? Should servicemen and women stationed in Iraq who voted Democratic in 2006 lay down their arms and return home? Clearly they supported the democratic anti-war campaign centerpiece. Does it make them hypocrites if they don't?

[mondo joe]

155. If someone supported his candidacy, the centerpiece of which was

the war, then they should be enlist.

What about that doesn't make sense to you?

[BronxBoy]

160. You know it depends upon the degree of things....

The Bush administration made the war in Iraq and the war on terror the CENTERPIECE of their political universe.

So you'll have to explain to me, how you can vehemently disagree with the foundation of a candidate's political philosophy and still vote for him.

If one of my elected officials made screwing crack addicted whores the center of his campaign, I'd be all right with it if he supported all my other core issues.

But if he supported screwing HEROIN addicted whores, I would never vote for his ass. Just don't believe in that. I don't care what else he supported

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

158. What. A. Bunch. Of. Narrow. Minded. Malarkey.

I support the Peace Corps missions. Does that mean I should leave everything behind and volunteer to go overseas to be with them?

What an absurd argument.

[mondo joe]

161. Peace Corps members aren't out there getting killed because you

supported a policy that put them in Iraq whether they want to be there or not.

If they were, I'd say you ought to be there too.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

162. Makes No Difference. The Analogy Is A Just One And The Premise Of Both Is Absurd.

[mondo joe]

164. If it's absurd demonstrate it.

You won't be able to.