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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:19 PM
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Oh, you silly Americans!

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/mailbag/264


(find this at end of mailbag)

Submitted by brian on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 6:08pm.

Here we go again! You American's slay me----I know. bad choice of words considering the fact that you've just about had a shot at killing everyone on the planet once or twice. But i digress. I'm here to talk about your ridiculous calls for Bush's impeachment. It's all so contrived for you people, isn't it? It's all so easy. Your nation walks into anoter, kills hundreds of thousands for "sport" and absolutely no other reason. You cow tow to a maniac that the world hasn't seen since Hitler and Mussolini. You crow about democracy and what's right and who's wrong about being right and then somehow you idiots figure that impeachment would be good. Well it's not. It's DUMB. It's foolish and it quite frankly mimics your job to date in Iraq and Afghanistan. In other words: Once again America is doing it "half-ass."

And let me just mention a few of the other half ass thigs you';ve managed: There was WWII. Your government decided to avoid it for nearly three years. That was fun for the rest of the world. Then there was Korea. Kim Jong Il thanks you. Then there was Vietnam. Thanks again. Then there was Panama. I know first hand about that deal. Then there's Honduras, Nicaragua, Cuba, Greneda... Who else is that you guys have pleasured in F-ing over again? Oh yeah... There was that litle firecracker you dropped on Hiroshima. Which was fine until you decided to committ mass genocide by dropping a similar bomb two days later on Nagasaki.

And how is it that you all sleep at night, again?

Today, you're crying about impeachment. Well, I'm sorry folks. If Saddam wasn't good enough for The Hague than nor is Bush good enough for impeachment. Grow some balls you colony of cowardly twits and don't impeach the ass... March into the Whitehouse, grab him by the hair and drag him to be tried for war crimes. But send him to Iran to face that charge.

You all think it's so easy. You all think that your constitution is a work of art. Well, my American friends... I have news. It's a piece of trash and not worth the paper it's written on. Your president proved that; I'm not saying anything that you shouldn't already know.

The ridiculous tenets by which you as Americans guage your right to live forgets to mention a few things. It fails to mention that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness only apply within your borders. The rest of us around the world couldn't give a flying, fiddler's fidoo what you believe is entitled to you. So, let's start there. You're constitution sucks and your attempt to spread the most flawed document since Hammurabi's code is laughable. How about keeping it to yourselves?

Second and most importantly, you as American's believe that individual rights top the needs of the whole. Well, let me say this: My constitution says that I'm entitled to "Peace, Order and Good Government." maybe if the lot of you down there started reading the constitutions and the Charter of Rights of other nations you might get a clue on how to better your country. Sadly, I doubt any of you (liberal or otherwise) have the guts, the brains or the desire to bother looking.

Ultimately, it will only be your cobnstitution and the money of the ruling elite that will protect the madman known as Bush. It speaks volumes about your complicity in this war. As you sit in your homes, watching war on tv you fail to realize one thing about those in Afghanistan and Iraq. They're willing to die for their country. They're willing to conduct absolute civil disobedience to oust a corrupt or "evil" leader. What are you all really willing to do?

My guess is: You'd all rather sit at home, eat fast food, listen to bad American music, watch reality tv and let Bush go free. THAT my dear American brothers and sisters proves how pathetic you all are as individuals. There are 250 million of you and you can't get your traitorous president put on trial for war crimes.

I used the word pathetic---------Perhaps a correction in terms is appropriate. How about, sad, lazy AND pathetic.

Do the world a favour from now on and leave the civilized nations of the world to guard over the earth. You clowns have screwed it up almost beyond repair and refuse to make ANYONE accountable. That in and of itself gives me license to lump you all together and state that you're all looking as ugly as your president has painted you to be.

if you wanna clean up your reputations (which will be tough,) get Bush on a plane and have him tried. He deserves no quarter. He deserves the gallows and trust me when I say that: Almost the entire world would agree.
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replies to this letter are just as interesting. one starts with "Just who in the HELL do you think you are..."

personally, I think we americans deserve all the slings and arrows coming our way, in triplicate.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:22 PM
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1. Sadly.
I agree.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:25 PM
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2. It's hard to disagree with that.
:shrug:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:06 PM
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37. Love ya TN but you mut be joking
you really think our constitution sucks? That it's not worth the paper it's printed on? You really believe that all Americans sit around watching the war on TV, eating fast food and listening to "bad American music"(does Bryan Adams and Celine Dion ring a bell with this loser?) You really believe that no one in America "liberal or otherwise" is doing anything to stop GWB? Sorry this post is a pile of Anti-American racist shit. Believe me I'm the first guy to admit when and where we are wrong but this post is a joke, try substituting another nation or race where the poster says American, and see if DU'ers don't jump all over him/her for racism. He has some points but they are buried under a cloak of pathetic hatred and racism.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:29 PM
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43. It's difficult not to fly off the handle
when innocent Iraqis are being slaughtered and blame all Americans for not doing more to stop those madmen Cheney and Bush. See my post #42 for a more calm viewpoint from a neighbour to the north.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:31 PM
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44. So, tell me how our Constitution has honored human rights and civil liberties
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 05:43 PM by TahitiNut
... outside our own borders. While I personally believe it should make absolutely no difference and the restrictions on the powers of government are irrespective of WHERE it acts, that's obviously not the reality. Since, under that Constitution, our Executive Branch (which includes the military and CIA/NSA) runs amok over human rights, the point is valid.

Look, if I train my dog to wag his tail and behave on my own property but go out at other times and rip the throats out of women and children NOT on my property, then his wagging tail sitting on my porch doesn't make him a "good dog."

It's about damned time that we train our dog better.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:54 PM
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49. You Read Stuff Like This In The Australian Media All The Time
It's a very trendy thing to do, bash Americans.

We kind of pulled the rug out from under them in early November, so they are scrambling for things to holler about.

I'm proud to be an American and I am proud of my brother, who serves in the United States Army. We have much more to worry about than some well-meaning but misguided columnist with a huge grudge against millions and millions of people and a whopping case of potty mouth, to boot.

Think of it this way: we're Americans. We may not agree with what you say, but there are still millions of us who would give our lives for their right to say it...no matter where they live.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:25 PM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:32 PM
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6. It iscalled reparatons
and if we have to pay them, you will as well. We are responsible and the only way to stop it, is to march on the white house en masse

It is an international law principle, by our oaparent silence we condone it
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:54 PM
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10. By our apparent silence???
It seems to me like a significant number of us HAVE NOT BEEN SILENT. Admittedly, we haven't been effective in getting rid * as of yet either, but if, as the writer of this little piece suggests, not being effective in getting rid of this administrating is the same thing as condoning it, then that may very well be the MOST IDIOTIC argument I've ever heard in my life.




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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:33 PM
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7. he wasn't talking about you personally. he was looking at US as a whole


we americans have not stopped the neo cons from doing whatever they want.

that cannot be denied.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:02 PM
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14. And he is correct
Study America's role in the world this past century and it's hard to disagree with the writer.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:38 PM
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24. I wonder how we were supposed to do that
I know I screamed my lungs out sent money to every candidate I could afford and signed every piece of paper I could get my hands on in order to force him out of his lying hidey hole.

Jeepers, I don't feel guilty because I did try as hard as I could in every way I could.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:30 PM
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4. By our deeds we are known.
It's painful but it's the reality of what our nation has become.

I know that we deserve the criticism, actually, we deserve even worse. It will be a long slow trek to repair our international reputation and I hope we're up to the journey.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:30 PM
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5. Interesting
though two points that were valid

1.- Our history, aka the official hiotory is full of myths and make believe

2.- We will have to explain to this cannook and the world that we didn't elect these morons... after that I agree with him, we should have taken to the streets en mase a long time ago.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:30 AM
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56. E very nation has myths...
the Canadians and Australians too. They haven't exactly been kind to their native peoples either and, considering they still hold themselves as in someways bound to Great Britain, their record on colonialism isn't exactly stellar. But it is so easy to point to America as the bad guy, though I don't see either of those countries rushing to fill the gap if this nation suddenly decides not to bother with places like Kosovo, Rwanda, or any other hot-spot.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:36 PM
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8. And there it is
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:37 PM
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9. The truth will set you free, but first it will hurt like hell......
Hope the author of this letter keeps writing...
he did a brilliant job.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:57 PM
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11. Pretty much
on the mark.

The 53rd and 54th states of the union are the State of Denial and the State of Apathy.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:59 PM
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12. Although I agree that the US has no business telling the rest
of the world how to live, I'd like to know exactly how we as individuals are supposed to rise up and drag Bush out of the White House. Frankly, all that would do would be to get a whole bunch of us arrested or killed and give the media/neocons excuses for making this into a true police state.

I don't agree with what the fellow said about our Constitution as far as we are concerned, within our borders. The one thing that has always been going for it is the fact that it can be amended. Since it's the oldest written Constitution in existance, this feature has served it well. What I want to see is the Constitution strengthened and reapplied to our government. I sincerely hope this can be done without resorting to violence.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:26 PM
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19. If you study your political system you will discover
that the constitution is form. The content of your political system is that the corporations, the military and the polital elite have manipulated every institution at the expense of US citizens and the planet.

If Bush and his goons do not reach the Hague or some other criminal war crimes court, then the author is 100% correct. This shit cannot be forgiven. Genocide is taking place and has been taking place for decades and all this crap about the constiution hasn't changed that reality.

Study how many of your rights have been taken away. Ask that old lady's relatives how come she was shot dead in her own fugging home - right to privacy by ass.

For too long too many people have bought this absolute inversion of reality.
Criminals and murderers are in charge of the government and planet and all in the name of profit - theirs and the corporations.

We either all wake up or all lose even more rights.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:34 PM
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23. I'm well aware of what is going on
what I am looking for is a nonviolent solution to the problem. I'm thinking that the Dems will investigate Bush to the point where his crimes will be evident even to his deluded followers, and that he will, indeed, be tried and convicted. But this will take time. To demand Bush be sent to the Hague immediately will only strengthen the aims of the people who support him. It will take time, but the former suggested course of action will be far more effective than the latter, I think.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:17 PM
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28. And the same applies in the UK. Big Business rules.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:00 PM
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54. Yep n/t
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:01 PM
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13. Does anybody know where I can get the new playstation?
:sarcasm:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:05 PM
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15. I can't fault any of this.
Our country is, and long has been, the biggest terrorist nation on earth.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:20 PM
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18. Yes, and the British were such darlings...
our nation has committed crimes, but we are far from the "biggest terrorist nation on earth."

You might remember that the British and other colonial powers were responsible for Iraq being a mishmash of cultures. They have completely fucked up Africa, and there is no blame on our country for that.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:27 PM
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21. Don't takeit personally
The Brits are no better but how does that help mankind.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:50 PM
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36. So are you saying because it's been done before
it's okay for the US to do it now? "Waaaa, they did it first, we didn't start it" Last I heard, two wrongs didn't make a right.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:09 PM
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16. As an American, I find that tough to read
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 02:14 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
It is hard to have that much truth and resentment hitting you in the face at once.

I have always said that we, collectively, allowed this to happen with our mindless embrace of a mythology that doesn't even survive the most cursory of examinations. At one point, 90% of us were behind this prick, and 66% of us were behind him in invading Iraq....that sure includes a lot of Democrats. All because we have this belief that we were, are, and always will be the "good guys" on the international scene.

Sure a few of us have been against him from day one, but we didn't do enough. We did all we felt we could, but we did not do enough to stop him.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:17 PM
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17. "'the most flawed document since Hammurabi's code'
And I suppose being the subject of a queen is much better? My nation is by no means perfect, and just about everything else you said was right, but this part I disagree with.

My Constitution doesn't claim the divine right as its basis, nor does it day I am a citizen of permanent second class when compared to my head of state. In practice, our system is one of two or more classes, but at least we try to eliminate that.

The Democratic party is devoted to creating a nation where the permanence of class differences is non-existent. Something we like to call the American Dream, that someone can be a poor child and grow to be amongst the richest in our country. It has in fact been accomplished by many Americans.

And I would like to ask you, a subject of the Queen of England, how you have any right to criticize us? The colonial powers are the reason Iraq and many other countries around the world are so fucked up. They combine disparate people with absolutely no respect for their feelings."

That was my comment.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:27 PM
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20. I agree with this Canadian. I've spent the last 2 1/2 years trying to think of a way to
pull off just what he recommends: that we march into the White House and take these criminals to trial. I dream about it. I told my 37 year-old son that if something doesn't 'give' soon, I was ready to buy my first gun and go underground. I'm turning into the radical that I wasn't in the '60s!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:24 PM
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30. That's not how we operate, this Cannuck has no respect for the rule of law...
We can't just go and pull someone out of the White House, because rightly have laws against doing that. I would rather defeat neo-fascism toe to toe legally, and have the people of our country truly choose freedom, instead of taking some sick and drastic action.

He has no place whatsoever criticizing us, because he's the subject of a monarchy which combined Iraq's three disparate cultures.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:27 PM
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32. Rebellion is how we started this country. And I do predict that the USA will see another...
probably not in my lifetime, but it will happen.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:30 PM
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22. Rather poor spelling for a Brit
Who just had to apologize for centuries of slaughter, slavery and rampant exploitation of the African and Asian continents.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:58 PM
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25. Oh BULLFLOP!
It sounds so nice. I agree, he should be yanked out by his collar. I've posted it before here and other place. He "should" be.

Here is where it all goes wrong, though. Not unlike the First Amendment, sometimes we have to do things by the rules. If we were to do what you suggest, then we should be willing to have the same done to us.

In other words, what is there to stop the Republicans from just pulling Gore out of the Whitehouse when he wins in '08, for example?

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:03 PM
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26. I completely agree with this author
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:14 PM
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27. I'm puzzled how Brian can be a Brit. I mean isn't Blair a war criminal, too?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:19 PM
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29. He's not a brit, he a Canadian, but they are still subjects...
of Britain because of the Commonwealth of Nations.

This person has a sense of moral superiority, and is insulting even those of us who've tried to go at this by the rules.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:31 PM
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38. Subjects is right. Somewhat anachronistic, eh? Only thing is that
our whole body politic is so corrupt the thought of their providing a President - something evidently very dear the hearts of Blair and Cherie - is too horrifying to contemplate.

I fear that, probably for the next few decades, we'll need to stay in a time warp, for fear of worse occurring to us.

Yes, the lad sounds as if he has all the brashness of youth, but for all their subject-status, I wouldn't put the Canadians in anything like as wretched a category as us.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:27 PM
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31. So is Brian a citizen in one of the coalition of the bribed? (figured out he's Canadian)
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 03:28 PM by grizmaster
If he is, he's just as guilty as any here.

And I've done all that I can think of short of an attack on the White House to see that the bush junta is brought to trial for their war crimes under the terms of the American War Crimes Act of 1996, which our cowardly Congress has chosen to eviscerate.

And since the "Peace, order, and good government" quote reveals that you're Canadian, I have another question for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace,_order_and_good_government

first your quote-

"My guess is: You'd all rather sit at home, eat fast food, listen to bad American music, watch reality tv and let Bush go free. THAT my dear American brothers and sisters proves how pathetic you all are as individuals. There are 250 million of you and you can't get your traitorous president put on trial for war crimes."

So how much do you as a Canadian, sit home, eat fast food, and listen to bad American music, all the while having the luxury of not needing a real military because you pussies are content to cower under American military protection?

I'm willing to kick ass down here, how willing are you to do the same?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:29 PM
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33. Pfft, what a load of bull
A few Canadians get really worked up over the US for no good reason like this. The rest of them are very nice people though.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:38 PM
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34. well, we deserve some of the slams
but I will stick with my view that we have to investigate and set the grounds for impeachment. As much as we'd all like to go in an pull him out of the Oval office, it's that old 'process' that gets in the way. Even W is entitled to due process.


His broad brush approach is a bit much and dramatic.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:41 PM
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35. That's a Nice bit of Fluff
Is that how we should deal with all those who we disagree with...by dragging them into the street while the bloodthirsty mob chants "get a rope!"

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evilgenius602 Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:35 PM
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39. Lookit, criticize the asshats running the country all you want
But I for one, will not accept criticism from the giant leech that's been sucking on the north end of this country since inception. Brian Mulroney crawled right up into Ronald Reagan's ass and set up camp a long time ago. Not to mention that there have been zero terrorist incursions into the U.S. from Mexico, yet a not inconsequential number from the north have been intercepted. Further, what exactly has been the Canadian contribution to Western Civilization? The filthy Canadians are the perpetual Hangers-on.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:40 PM
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40. Totally on point
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 04:42 PM by meganmonkey
And the longer we all sit around waiting for fucking politicians to 'do the right thing' the more we are proving the author's point.

We are responsible, because no one else will do it. We have to do soemthing. THE PEOPLE have to do something,

This comment from the site is so telling. It demonstrates the truth of what this guy is saying:

PLEASE REWRITE YOUR COMMENTS AND SEND THEM TO THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM
GW BUSH
WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON ,DC
LEAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR STUPID EQUASION
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 04:47 PM
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41. WWII and Korea?
"And let me just mention a few of the other half ass thigs you';ve managed: There was WWII. Your government decided to avoid it for nearly three years. That was fun for the rest of the world. Then there was Korea."

He seems to be against our war in Iraq (and I can't blame him for that), but the late entry into WWII and our involvement in Korea doesn't help his case at all.

The US was wrong to get involved in Iraq (which I agree with) but if they were wrong because Iraq didn't attack us, then how can you then say that we were wrong to NOT get involved in WWII (until Pearl Harbor) even though we had not been attacked by any of the Axis powers?

As far as Korea goes, this wasn't a US war, it was a United Nations War, and if I recall correctly, the US was fighting along side about 27,000 CANADIANS. I guess Kim Jong Il thanks both of us for that.

Interesting to see no mention of Kosovo, Bosnia, WWI, Gulf War I, or Afghanistan, but I guess that wouldn't be convenient to mention since we were also fighting along side Canadians there as well.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:20 PM
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42. Put it this way
historically we don't have a leg to stand on. On my mother's side my family traces back to the second ship after the Mayflower. One of my father's ancestors was a translator for Samuel de Champlain and was married to a Mohawk woman. (A Princess, natch.) Most of my family on both sides left the U.S at the time of the American Revolution. (A few members have drifted back and forth across the border ever since. My mother was American her father was Canadian, her mother's father Canadian etc. And now my son, who had two American grandmothers has married a Texas Democrat and lives in Dallas. )I haven't read up on it but the Revolution was probably less noble than the American fairytale or founding myth puts out. (It was mainly about money most likely. The pursuit of money. Oh, and happiness of course. Isn't that what money buys?)The Mohawks lost their land in New York state ---cheated out of it. Of course. Now they have settled in Southern Ontario and are called "Loyalists".
No settlers of North or South America can be proud. I think 50 million natives were slaughtered. The United States was far more vicious towards the native Americans than my country was. Then there's the issue of slavery. Canada had a few slaves for a bit but afterwards escaped American slaves found refuge here as did draft dodgers during the Vietnam outrage and so on. So god only knows why some Americans delude themselves about how great their country was and still is. The history of the United States is shameful. Our history, in Canada, is also shameful. However, not quite as shameful. And we do not claim to be "a beacon of light and freedom to the world." Bishop Tutu said our treatment of our natives in Canada is a disgrace, and it is. In my parents day aboriginals were ripped from their loving homes and given over to the cruelties of abusive church officials to cure them of their "savagery". There are good things about Canada now but our record has a huge stain on it. I believe our jerk PM voted against a UN resolution recently to repair some of the injustices towards the aboriginal population. He also refused to live up to promises the previous Liberal government made to the First Nations people. Absolutely shameful. We have nothing to be proud of while the First Nations people continue to be fobbed off with promises. Our history is not pretty and yours is worse. In my humble opinion. Time we grew up and stopped deluding ourselves. We should be trying to make up for the terrible things our countries did in the past. Period.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:47 PM
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45. I'm torn
On the one hand, there is a very good, strong point here: our country since at least the end of WWII has been the Official World's Bully, and tried to force the rest of humanity into sucking up to us. Of course, there were some bright moments, such as the Marshall Plan, but overall, we have been an overbearing lout on the world stage.

On the other hand, this also looks just like the whiny self-important dreck I continually ran across when I lived in Saskatchewan, Canada. There's a certain element of the population there that is similar to our freepers IMO, and look to any excuse to deride America and Americans in general, regardless of the subject.

We're not perfect as Americans. We're close to the opposite of it in fact. Nevertheless, screaming 'nanny nanny boo boo' at Americans to make yourself feel important really doesn't help a whole lot either. As a matter of fact, all it does is ruin the possibility of common ground and positive efforts.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:55 PM
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46. Can we look at this and glean the truth, if any, in his(?) accusation?
First, the expressions are half-assed, kowtow, and mass murder (it wasn't genocide).

We have murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for corporate profits with a generous dose of ego, not sport. While the idiot frat boy is truly evil, he does not rise to the standard set by the dictators mentioned, not yet anyway.

We did avoid WWII, FDR wanted to get into it but there was little public support for the war in Europe and had the Japanese not attacked us at Pearl Harbor, we probably wouldn't have entered it at all. Don't forget that many of the amerikan ruling class made huge piles of money arming and supplying everyone on all sides (BFEE & Assoc. backing the fascists, the government's liberty fleet and arms deals with the British, French, etc.) and we were very isolationist as a people.

The fact that Korea still exists at all constitutes a victory, and had the Chinese stayed out, the whole country would look like the south does today. The only alternative we had to the current less-than-desirable outcome, was to follow MacArthur's recommendation and nuke the whole 38th parallel creating a radioactive wasteland, the consequences of which would have been horrible beyond imagining.

Vietnam was just a complete fuck-up from the beginning, but it was the creation of the French (who bailed the moment we stepped in) that pursued such idiotic policies they could have been written by the shrub himself. We made it even worse by once again, allowing our corporations to dictate governmental policy, they made fortunes and left us holding the bag.

Panama, Central, and South America were also disasters from the 19th century, also instigated by our policy of government of, by, and for, the corporations (will we ever learn?) (BTW, feel free to substitute ruling class anyplace the word corporation appears, as they are interchangeable). The originator is perfectly correct in this.

Where this guy goes completely off the rails is his mis-characterization of our Constitution. First, and I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, if it is so horribly flawed, how is it that it is the model upon which nearly every other is based, including his own? (and as long as we're pointing out flaws, just imagine what could be done with the guarantees of peace, order, and good government. Hitler's Germany met 2/3 of those requirements while trying to exterminate the Jews, Gypsies, Gays, Dissidents, etc. and would have achieved a clean sweep if he had not invaded Poland:eyes:.

After this, there isn't much to be argued, we exhibited an utter lack of patriotism after the coup of 2000 and much of the blame for that falls on our so-called leadership. The founders of this nation said many times that we have, not only a right, but a duty to reject tyranny, a trait that seems to have been bred out of us. We say, "the SCOTUS ruled, what can we do?" when every one of us knows, in our hearts whether we will admit it or not, that what was required was the absolute rejection of the decision and adamant refusal to go along with this crime. Bloody revolution was not the only option, but the capitulators always bring it up as if it were.

If we had 1/10th of the American Spirit possessed by our ancestors, we would have demanded the resignations of the entire court and any politiwhores that refused to go along. We would have called for a general strike and shut the nation down, and kept it shut down until the cabal surrendered. We seem to have this absurd notion that our law enforcement agencies are all-powerful and unstoppable, that they would have ridden in and forced us back to work, or something. This is not true and is not possible, the only way they can successfully control us is with our own cooperation and division. If even 10% of the population stood united, there is not damn thing they could do, the country could not function and our demands would have to be met, but we let them separate/divide us and thereby control us.

Oh yeah, one more thing, if he and the other "civilized nations of the world" want to guard over the earth, they are more than welcome to do it, imagine how much better off we would be if we didn't have to spend 1/2 a trillion of our dollars every year to keep his ass out of the work camps. Hey, Canada (and Japan and Korea and Germany and the rest of Europe and the South Pacific islands and on and on and on) if you think your taxes are high now, just try paying for your own defense and foreign policies without the support and subsidies of Uncle Sam. The world is an armed camp, and we are the only thing standing between therm and you. Imagine the chaos of over 100 Iraqs happening simultaneously all over the planet.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:45 PM
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48. Thank you, Greyhound.
There are many good replies here and of course, different opinions.

Your reply accepts responsibility for mistakes, but also is a reminder of the good America has done and will continue to do.

I read it as I was wondering just how many honorable American Men & Women, Military and Civilian are buried in foreign soil & here because they cared and tried to help other people. I don't know the number, but I would think more than any other country on Earth.

We are not perfect. I don't think there is perfection anywhere. We "have" always been willing to fight & die for others.

A fact the writer of this piece seems to not know or recognize.

To be polite, I will say, May he never need our help and wish him Peace his entire life.

To be honest, due to spelling, grammer, thinking we could and should change our government with violence and the last post calling us ditto-heads, I think he must be a bored kid or a total idiot.



Submitted by brian on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 12:57pm.
I read all of BUZZFLASH. i love it, but be clear you bunch of ditto-heads...



Just wondering the last time an adult called anyone here, a ditto-head? :*




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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:01 PM
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47. I agree in part
if we want to salvage some part of our international reputation for truth and democracy and law

we must immediately see to it that bush stands trial for his crimes--the same kind of crimes committed by Hitler.

cheney, rummie, condi, rove, et al . . . all are equally suspect and should be tried for crimes against humanity. every day we wait is hypocrisy.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 07:09 PM
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50. I really hate it when ugly painful shoes fit.
Ouch.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:06 PM
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51. Well, who DOES this shithead think he is?
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 08:24 PM by Sapphocrat
I'm not disagreeing with a word of it -- except the part about the Constitution -- but this moron is lashing out at the wrong audience! If he had anything even remotely resembling a pair of brass ones, he'd send his diatribe to a right-wing outlet, instead of BuzzFlash, where 90% of the audience (hey, kids, that's you and me!) are guilt-ridden liberals who will buy into his crap.

Jesus, people, WHY are YOU taking this on as if YOU were guilty of everything from the slaughter of the Native Americans to the slaughter of the Iraqis?

You think I don't feel guilty for what my country has done? Of course I do. But my conscience is clean as a whistle -- and frankly, it sickens me that so many DUers are self-flagellating themselves over this. This butthead knows exactly what buttons to push, and he's too chickenshit to go head-to-head with the Americans who really are responsible for the sorry state of the planet -- beginning with the "lazy and pathetic" idiots who DID vote for *.

Incidentally, do you think this jackass was even alive during half the events he cites?

P.S. to Brian, or whatever your name is: It's 300 million Americans, you cowardly P.O.S. -- and you're bleating at the wrong ones.


On edit: Typo
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:57 PM
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52. I wholeheartedly agree
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 08:57 PM by EstimatedProphet
And stuff like this is one of the reasons I had trouble living in Canada, as I talked about in #45. I all too often ran into people that tried to hold me personally responsible for every single thing that they didn't like about the world. It seemed that whenever people found out I was from the US, they would start in on how terrible everything I did was. And it really was personally directed too - some of the things people would say were downright asinine and petty. It got old after a while. I even had someone tell me how much better Canadians were than Americans, because Canadians were so polite - and they didn't at all see the hypocrisy of saying something like that!
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LillyPad Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:53 PM
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53. You are an idiot (n/t)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 07:47 AM
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55. I believe in "We, the People."
Ultimately, the OP is right. We are all collectively responsible for the misery our government has unleashed on the world. I am, once again, ashamed of my country.

We owe reparations. We owe the world some justice. We must send a message that we will not let this happen again.

:dem:

-Laelth
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hamletsophelia Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:42 PM
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57. entitle to your opinion however...
are you american?
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