Gore/Obama 08

[Tiggeroshii]

[warrens]

1. I doubt Obama would leave the Senate, but who knows?

I think Gore is going to run, but not at first.

[WI_DEM]

2. I think he would, because VP is a great step to the presidency being

in the senate isn't.

[Demit]

9. Ha! He's already on record as saying maybe.

[Tiggeroshii]

26. Obama wouldn't need to leave the senate

His term doesn't expire for another 4 years(2 following 08). If he doesn't succeed in 08, he'll still have his seat.

[Old Smokey]

3. I like it

[maxsolomon]

4. Gore/Clark

the ticket needs Clark

[Not Me]

8. Gore/Clark. Bingo.

Gore for the environment, Clark to clean up, and make sure we never get into another needless war.

[redqueen]

10. I'd go for that... or Gore/Edwards even. n/t

[AspenRose]

21. Those are my two choices.

Gore/Edwards or Gore/Clark.

Obama needs to stay in the Senate.....for now.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

13. Gore/Clark...That's the winning ticket!

IMHO

edited to add, I really like Sen. Obama, too. I just think Gore/Clark is a better ticket.

[Avalux]

16. I like that ticket. n/t

[chaska]

17. Gore/Clark. It just don't get no better'n that.

Well, maybe Chomsky/Nader. Just sayin'...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. yes! I think the fact that he headed the last successful war w/be attractive.

With the mess going on in Iraq - voters might look at that as a very attractive feature.

[noamnety]

5. No thanks.

"Gore, however, disagreed with Sen. John Kerry's, D-Mass., call to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of the year.

... Dismissing calls for any deadline, Gore added, "It's possible that setting a deadline (for troops withdrawals from Iraq) could set in motion forces that would make it even worse. I think that we should analyze that very carefully. My guess is that a deadline is probably not the right approach; ...."

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/story?id=2037158&page=3

[AtomicKitten]

15. I've got an idea ...

Let's take a look at Gore's entire quote rather than the edited snippet you served up. I've highlighted the parts you conveniently cut out.

Gore, however, disagreed with Sen. John Kerry's, D-Mass., call to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of the year.

"I would pursue the twin objectives of trying to withdraw our forces as quickly as we possibly can, while at the same time minimizing the risk that we'll make the mess over there even worse and raise even higher the danger of civil war," Gore said.

Dismissing calls for any deadline, Gore added, "It's possible that setting a deadline could set in motion forces that would make it even worse. I think that we should analyze that very carefully. My guess is that a deadline is probably not the right approach; but again, you have to weigh that question in the context of how the political decisions are made between the Congress and the executive branch. Sometimes the Congress itself has blunt instruments and limited options to play a role in matters like this."

[noamnety]

19. I read the whole quote, thanks

The relevant part for me is that he refuses to say the three magic words: Troops Out Now.
He refuses to support a deadline for leaving.

All the other justifications and equivocations don't matter to me. I cannot overstate how much they don't matter.

[AtomicKitten]

20. I wonder if this matters to you.

I feel pretty comfortable with Gore's proposal for an expeditious withdrawal; in fact, his ruminations about that are thoughtful and not a campaign slogan. You have assigned the misperception that Gore does not want to withdraw from Iraq.

You laud Kerry for now wanting to set a deadline yet seem to disregard and/or conveniently forget his yes vote on the IWR that helped put us there in the first place. That matters to me.

Now we have that straight.

[noamnety]

22. Did I laud Kerry?

The last thing I posted about him was that he was in the second tier of politicians, and I specifically said there was a big gap between the ones that want to bring troops home now, and the ones like him who have a deadline but it ain't now, and then another big gap for the ones who say they want to bring them home, but can't say when.

If they aren't saying WHEN, then I don't know if they mean they want to bring them home in a month, or they want to bring them home in ten years. Once a politician starts in on how they want to wait until _______________ (insert vague political goal that may never be achievable) happens, I'm done with them.

I have not said he doesn't "want" to withdraw from Iraq; don't mischaracterize my words. His plan isn't enough of a firm commitment for me to buy into it. It's a plan that could drag out for years. I want a commitment that it won't. He doesn't support bringing them home til some political goal is achieved. If his political goals for the region don't happen, when do we start bring troops home? WHEN?

[AtomicKitten]

24. fair enough

I simply have no forgiveness for anyone that voted yes on the IWR that helped put us in Iraq in the first place. There is much criticism lobbed at those that are commenting in the press about this mess in Iraq, but what stands out for me first and foremost is the line drawn between those that voted yes on the IWR (I am not impressed by the recanting of that fateful vote) and those who had nothing to do with putting us in Iraq. I give much more credence and grace to those in the second category.

I think if and when candidates throw their hat in the ring for 2008, that is when they will state their actual proposed policy for us all to dissect and digest; until then it is just a microphone shoved in their faces. I also believe the course of events in Iraq over the next two years will change and make that path more clear. And I too hope we are out long before then.

[noamnety]

30. I can appreciate that!

(Is this a bad time to ask how you feel about the pre-war sanctions?)

[AtomicKitten]

31. put me down being NOT FOR THEM

One thing that sticks out in my mind is the fact that the US and GB on the Security Council repeatedly vetoed Saddam's requests over the years to repair Iraq's water system that we had bombed the crap out of, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children have died of dysentery.

Sanctions should be against International Law.

The siege of Iraq: http://www.commondreams.org/views/032000-102.htm

[LaPera]

6. No. Not a chance!

[Demit]

7. Yes, Gore in 08. Yes, Obama, in some future year.

After we get some experience seeing what he does. How he handles things. How he handles being in various spotlights (and spots, like the one he's in now with the Christian Right leadership).

[WI_DEM]

11. He's not in any spot, they are if they disinvite him.

[Demit]

25. And if they don't disinvite him, it will be very interesting to hear how he

phrases his address. Will he be brave enough to include them in how "all sides in the current environment have to be very careful how we talk about faith"?

Or is it only Muslims and Democrats that he feels needs to hear that?

[itsmesgd]

12. Gore or Edwards

Who will be the front-runner? I think that Obama is too young (relatively, plus we saw that the GOP will run ads in the South that say..."Obama is black". I feel that we are not quite ready for a non-old-white-guy. Plus, on a positive, Edwards is positioning himself for a potential run.

[AtomicKitten]

14. Yes, please.

[CTD]

18. I cannot support any ticket with Obama or H Clinton.

Period.

And Gore and Kerry are both, unfortunately, tagged as "losers" by the f'ing MSM and will not be given a chance. Which is wrong but still the way the MSM has decided it's going to be.

So it's going to have to be a ticket without any of those four names.

[Tiggeroshii]

27. Otherwise you'd go 3rd party?

Cool

[Hamlette]

28. why not obama?

[Hamlette]

29. Young campaign staffers are very excited about Obama

there is a race on amongst them to position themselves for a slot on his team.

I'm thinking with that much excitment by the kids, maybe we could elect a black.

Think, 24% of eligible youth voted in 06. 60+ of old farts (over 42 years old) voted this year. If someone/something coud get 60+% of youth out to vote, might it be worth a shot?