Apocalypse Now was on Bravo again last night

[maxsolomon]

the timing could not be more appropos of our current debacle.

lets listen in as martin sheen illustrates the nature of our opponent:

WILLARD (v.o.)
"Charley didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or
moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and
a little rat meat. He had only two ways home: death,
or victory."


lets listen in as Marlon Brando explains why we are losing in Iraq:

KURTZ
" I've seen horrors...horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call
me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that...But
you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is
necessary to those who do not know what horror means.
Horror. Horror has a face...And you must make a friend of horror. Horror and
moral terrorare your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared.
They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces...Seems
a thousand centuries ago...We went into a camp to innoculate the children.
We left the camp after we had innoculated the children for Polio, and this old
man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went
back there and they had come and hacked off every innoculated arm. There
they were in a pile...A pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried...
I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I
wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want
to forget. And then I realized...like I was shot...Like I was shot with a
diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought:
My God...the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect,
genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were
stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not
monsters...These were men...trained cadres...these men who fought with
their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with
love...but they had the strength...the strength...to do that. If I had ten
divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You
have to have men who are moral...and at the same time who are able to
utilize their primordal instincts to kill without feeling...without passion...
without judgement...without judgement. Because it's judgement that
defeats us. "

[Richardo]

1. I know it's not your point, but I hate the 'Redux' version

I like it just as I saw it in 1979 :patriot:

[Howardx]

2. i liked it

ive seen the original many many times and enjoyed the added scenes in "redux"

[maxsolomon]

4. i've grown to appreciate it.

its... languorous.

but you also realize why they cut what they did. the long history lesson sequence with the french. the stolen surfboard levity.

anyway, back to my point: we're fucked. we'll never win because we cannot conscience brutal repression.

[Southsideirish]

6. I like the original better, too.

[Abuhans]

3. One of my favorite movies!

[MrSlayer]

5. Charlie Don't Surf!

[Bad Penny]

7. nt