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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:04 PM
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LAW ?: What law prevents U.S. citizens from buying arms for a foreign militia?
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 05:04 PM by Poll_Blind
  I know it's illegal but I don't know what law it's in or where I could begin looking to find out more. I thought it was the Boland Ammendment but from what I've read that has to do with the government, and not citizens, per se.

Can anyone help me out? Specifically, I'm looking for laws which prohibit purchasing arms for a foreign militia. Also, if you know anything about similar laws on purchasing arms for a government as a U.S. citizen, I'd be greatly appreciative.

FYI, I was just doing some research on money from the U.S. being used to sponsor revolutions in other countries and I figure that for every Oliver North type which exists inside the government, there was probably and Oliver North type among U.S. citizenry and who privately may work to sponsor the support of foreign militias, specifically helping them out with purchases of military material, including arms.

Thanks for whatever information you got.

PB
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:05 PM
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1. Apparently none or we wouldn't have
so many illegal weapons in my part of the world.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:08 PM
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2. Well I want to say that I read that there's a law which prevents...
...U.S. citizens from conducting what amounts to "foreign policy". I can't remember where I read that and it's also tied to a potential answer to my question.

PB
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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:17 PM
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4. the guns are part of it
"they" have to create the problems in order to justify strict controls and one world government to 'solve' the problems.

from 1998 Unification - Black Uhuru...

"Them decieve the innocent soul with corruption, which they create...
Distorting the multitude with bad direction, teach them to pray"

I couldn't find any lyrics so I had to paraphrase...

We respond automatically, unconsciously, and often toward our own further disempowerment. The less we are satisfied by our decisions, the more easily manipulated we become." - Douglas Rushkoff ~ Coercion
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:50 PM
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8. Cool
Love Black Uhuru
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:08 PM
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3. I don't know, BUT
I know of a bunch of folks in mexico
that could have used a lot stronger arsenal
than rocks, bottle rockets and molotovs

But I guess they would have lost their pacifist creds


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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:22 PM
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5. W ell I do not know what law but
I knew of a man who spent 4 years in a Federal prison for doing it. That is a hint that there is a law.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:30 PM
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6. For purchasing firearms for a foreign militia/government? n/t
PB
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:12 AM
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10.  Well he did put them on a boat to get them to the country.
I can not say he had all the money to buy them. Those guys are most likely still around but this did stop this man. I am sure he was in it for profit. Heck no one used to say a thing around Boston when money was asked for for the Irish terrorists. Or freedom fighters. what ever. they used to blow up and gun down people for a belief. We have had terrorist around since I learned to read. Course some one like Seacor(sp) and North are just rich now and they also sold arms.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:41 PM
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7. Here's some links I found that might get you started in the right direction...
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 05:56 PM by Minnesota_Lib

ARMS SALES MONITOR

Highlighting U.S. government policies on arms exports and conventional weapons proliferation.

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/asm/asm38.html

More possible resources from The Brady Center at http://www.bradycenter.org/index.php


Guns and Terror: How Terrorists Exploit Our Weak Gun Laws

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/gunsandterror.pdf


Smoking Guns: Exposing the Gun Industry's Complicity in the Illegal Gun Market

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/smokingguns.pdf


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 06:04 PM
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9. Awesome, thank you! Digging in right now. n/t
PB
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:16 PM
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12. Do take Brady Campaign sources with the same skepticism
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 03:16 PM by benEzra
that you'd apply to NRA press releases. Like the NRA, the Brady Campaign is a repub-run pressure group, not an impartial resource.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:14 PM
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11. It would be a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 03:24 PM by benEzra
as I read the law, which not only spells out a whole list of persons who cannot buy a gun, but ALSO makes it a felony to buy a gun for anyone who is ineligible to buy it themselves.

Here are the relevant BATFE regulations: Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide

Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968

Since people in other countries are ineligible to purchase firearms in the United States unless they are either U.S. citizens or are granted U.S. residency, then buying a gun for someone in another country would be a Federal felony.

You'd also have major issues with export control laws. You have to fill out government paperwork to legally export a copy of Windows (IIRC), never mind a gun.

It should also be pointed out that the types of guns usually used in military conflicts (e.g., automatic assault rifles) are are VERY tightly controlled in the U.S., and mere possession of one by a U.S. citizen without Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4) is a 10-year Federal felony.
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