What if Jeb had won in his first Florida Governor's race in 1994?

[Ignacio Upton]

Do you think he would have been Poppy's choice to run in 2000 instead of Dubya? Also, how do you think he would have been able to steel Florida for himself, when there probably would have been more scrutiny of Cruella et al. (especially if she would have become chair of HIS campaign in Florida instead of Dubya's) which would have made it harder (somewhat, but not impossible) to help steel the election. Also...do you think Gore would even have won the popular vote? I mean, Jeb is a far-right scumbag like his brother, and he's not narcissistic and a giggling lunatic (and he doesn't have an Oedipal complex against Poppy.)

[SteppingRazor]

1. He's NOT narcissistic?!

Sweet jabbering Christ, I almost fell out of my chair when I read that

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. Right? All the bushes are narcissistic, it's a family trait.

[SteppingRazor]

6. I would argue it's particularly true with Jeb

He makes George look like the personification of meekness and humility

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. And that is hard too do! We need to rid our political landscape of any future bushes.

They are bad for this Country and the World. Let it end with george and jeb. No more bushes!

[Ignacio Upton]

11. Okay...so what do we know about ol' Pierce and George P.?

Pierce (Neil's son) is too much like his dad and uncle, so I think that they'll run George P. (Jeb's son.) As for the Bush twins....sexism and the fact that they are Dubya's kids is more humiliation than being Neil's or Jeb's kids.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Well hopefully their Uncle george has ruined it up for them! Hopefully!

They can sent him a thank you note for killing their dynastic political entitlements! :evilgrin:

[Ignacio Upton]

16. By the time Pierce or George P. try and run

It will have been a generation since our current Idiot in Chief was in office. Sadly, if America's attention span continues to deteriorate, then I wouldn't be surprised if Pierce or George P. get nominated by the GOP and have a close race.


Just curious...do you think Marvin will run for something in the future? He's ten years younger than his brother, and he's not overtly tainted with the same problems that Neil has (S&L scandal and Thailand hookers.)

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. I hope we remember the damage george did, for all time.

Marvin isn't exactly pure himself, like the rest of the BFEE, he is corrupt. Doesn't he have some soft ware scam he is running in Florida with the help of Jeb, while getting government monies? They are all corrupt and the American people need to remember that.

[diane in sf]

19. Marvin

I've read, was on the board of the security company that had the contract with the World Trade Center till 9/10/01. This indicates some pretty deep involvement with the BFEE to me.

[SteppingRazor]

20. In 2004, George P vowed not to run for 10 years. He also has an arrest record n/t

[Ignacio Upton]

10. Not AS narcissistic

sorry about that :)

[leveymg]

2. Something like that, probably.

No more Presidents Bush.

Ding, dong, the witch is dead.

[WI_DEM]

3. Yes, the family would have gotten behind him in 2000 and not Dumbya

[marmar]

4. Jeb is a disgusting pig-beast....

And sadly, he's the brainy one. (All things being relative, of course).

[liberalpragmatist]

8. Yes, he'd probably have been the candidate

And he'd probably have been elected too. Who knows whether he would have been reelected.

Actually, it might have made for some fascinating drama. I doubt that both W and Jeb would have announced, but I can imagine there would have been a lot of behind-the-scenes pressure, with Dubya pissed at his father for pushing Jeb and threatening to run himself.

[Ignacio Upton]

9. Can you imagine a Bush vs. Bush primary?

Rove probably would have smeared Noelle Bush for her drug addiction instead of smearing McCain for having an "illegitimate child" and for being "crazy."

[liberalpragmatist]

12. One other thing...

I know this is off the subject, but my last post got me thinking a little. It's really remarkable that, even in the absence of a Jeb Bush win in 1994, the GOP turned to George W. in 2000. I mean, seriously. The GOP held the majority of the governorships during the '90s, during a period of high economic growth and low unemployment. Lots of states were thriving and there were no shortage of moderate-appearing (and in some cases, actually competent) GOP governors.

Granted, these aren't people I would have voted for, and I imagine I would not have appreciated them being president, but it's really astounding that they felt that George W. was really the best candidate for the establishment to rally behind. He spent 6 years in what was really a symbolic office (in Texas, the Lt. Governor is the most powerful man in the government - a bit like a prime minister), and while I suppose for some people he was minimally likeable (not me), he really wasn't THAT likeable. He always came across as clueless, smirking, and boorish.

The GOP could easily have run someone like Gov. Frank Keating of Oklahoma or Gov. Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin. People who were smart, had years of service in government and were generally competent. Neither were people I would have voted for or been very happy to have in office, but neither would have been the disaster Bush was and is.

[Ignacio Upton]

13. Yeah, I'm surprised too

But he had the inside players and money supporting him. However, I don't think the Freepers rallied behind him without reservations. JimRob made a post back in 1999 talking about how Bush shouldn't be the nominee. The right was also distrustful of his dad, who wasn't as conservative and rigid in ideology as Reagan. However, Dubya is not like Poppy (he's worse!) but for the Freepers, being more conservative and uncompromising than Poppy is a good thing.

[philosophie_en_rose]

14. not sure about that

George W. Bush seems more easily controlled and manipulated. He's a very basic sort of person, whereas Jeb might have been more independent. In addition, Jeb's family was tumultuous than George's. And Laura is more Stepford than Jeb's wife (Columbia? not sure what her name is).

George W. Bush is the poster boy for Republican values, whereas Jeb (also corrupt) seems a little off-color.

[Alexander]

17. Jeb would've been the Repub nominee but would have decisively lost the GE to Gore.

Jeb lost 1994 partly because he came across as an aloof, arrogant, right-wing smart-ass. Traits his older brother share but which weren't as obvious when watching the 2000 debates. Jeb would've never used self-deprecating humor like "I've been known to mangle a syl-labble or two" and would've been seen as a huge asshole throughout the campaign.

George is also a huge asshole, but during the 2000 campaign, he and the complacent press did a heckuva job of covering up his attitude. It would've been a lot harder for Jeb to do that.

My guess is Jeb would've picked McCain or somebody as his running mate but it wouldn't have been enough. Gore would've won decisively.