Baker: "Fuck the Jews" again

[question everything]

While being in papa Bush government, he said this and I do not even remember the context.

And now he is ready to do this again.

The Golan Heights is not Barker's, or the US' to "give back."

Even before 1967, when Syria attacked Israel and lost, it constantly attacked Israelis town from the height of the 1700 fortress. Israel has always maintained that, under peace negotiations, it can be returned. Why should Syria be interested in peace negotiations if Baker is willing to give it back for nothing?

Does he really think that sacrificing Israel would bring peace and security to the region? He can't be that dumb, can he?

[Captain Hilts]

1. All things being equal, so long as Israel receives HUGE amounts of aid from US...

the US has a say.

If Israel wants true independence, they won't request or accept aid from the US.

I was once doing a financial report on Israel for a bank and I called the Treasury Dept. to get a ballpark figure on the amount of money that the US gives Israel and was told it was a "blank check." That was the mid eighties.

[Hoosier Dem]

5. Good Point, Mookie!

As far as I'm concerned, if they want us to but out of their affairs, we should. And we should also take our extravagent "foreign aid" with us. As long as we're footing the bill, we decide.

[aquart]

10. Yeah, let's not pretend the only democracy in the ME is a democracy.

It's Lebanon to our Syria, right? Or Lebanon to our Iran? That's the idea, right? We give them money and take over their government?

[Captain Hilts]

16. Well, it's a 'Democracy' for some people, just not for others. How's that? nt

[aquart]

6. So you would prefer the massacre of millions

That would return Israel's land to Arab control...or rather, the control of absentee landlords who will simply sell it out from under the peasants again........or.......what is it you think is a better plan? Heaven knows, we need one. Please, we are waiting for your ideas.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

2. The rest of that quote is Jews "didn't vote for us anyway."

Needless to say they didn't in the next election either.

[question everything]

4. Thanks. Did not remember

Someone else, do not remember who said something similar about low income Americans before last month elections..

[Stephanie]

3. It's "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway."

They are all disgusting, anyone close to the Bushes is the scum of the earth, they're all sickening.

[mike_c]

7. it's illegal, under international law, to seize territory by conquest....

This applies to much of the rest of the land Isreal has taken from the Palestinians, too. The U.N. has addressed these issues directly, and Israel remains in defiance of Security Council resolutions demanding withdrawal from occupied territories.

[MadHound]

8. Sorry, while I don't agree with Baker's sentiment

Israel has to realize that it can no longer have a blank check to ride roughshod over the ME like it has done in the past. Frankly I think Israel should return the Golan Heights as part of a negotiated peace settlement for the area, along with other Palestinian territory, and in return receive recognition and a permanent peace accord with her neighbors.

[question everything]

11. Of course. This is what it did with Egypt

and has been ready to do with Palestine. Though, of course, Gaza and the West Bank were occupied by Egypt and Jordan when Israel took them.

And this is the point. If Syria is now absolved from any peace negotiation thanks to the generosity of Baker, why should it?

[MadHound]

17. True that, it should be a negotiated settlement, with Golan as the carrot

But Israel's relations with her neighbors, and her willingness to negotiate has always been a one step forwar, two steps back approach. Witness last summers fetivities in Lebanon and Palestine.

Israel's actions have gone unaccountable for far too long however. Hopefully we can get somebody with the ability of Carter to bring the ME madness to an end.

[sui generis]

14. Whatever Israel is doing now is enough to give it what it has

which frankly sucks.

I don't advocate dictating Israel's foreign policy just because we give them money. But neither do I support them keeping the Golan Heights as a bulwark against future war. They need to figure out right now that if they yield nothing they get nothing. Foreign Diplomacy 101.

There are other paths through this forest than just these two that may require a less familiar route, but may get them to "peace" faster. First things first, roll the religious fanatics out of government. If they are for the state, they'll agree to go for the good of the state. If they are rabidly for their religion, they'll try to make trouble.

But isn't that the problem? None of them is truly altruistic; neither the fundamentalist hate spewing rabbis nor the hate-spewing mullahs. So why leave them anywhere near the reins of power?

[omega minimo]

9. that title's not offensive?

:wow:

[question everything]

13. Yes, and it was back in 1990 or 1991 when Baker said it

and it did appear on all the newspapers - no Internet these days - with sanitizing the F word, of course.

[omega minimo]

18. then don't smack people in the eyeballs on the title page

:think:

[greenman3610]

12. Fundamentalist Jews in Israel are just as dangerous to world peace

as any fundamentalist muslim, or christian wacko in the US.

I agree with Jimmy Carter that it's time to break the taboo against
any disagreement with Israeli overreaching.
Asking Israeli's to give up fundamentalist dreams of
"Greater Israel' is not the same as supporting another
holocaust.

[Kolesar]

15. who is "sacrificing Israel ", anyway?

It is impossible to figure out what the meaning of your original post is from the context that you provided.

[Moderator]

19. locking....

Per DU rules all discussion of the I/P
situation should be posted in the
Israel/Palestine forum.