My final opinion on Iraq! Raise taxes on the rich to pay for the war.

[Joanne98]

Or just get the fuck out. The truth is...we can't afford Iraq anymore. Not that anybody is stating the obvious. Maybe all the wise men on the tee vee think money grows on trees in America!

We are according to the phoney numbers 10 trillion dollars in debt. According the the real numbers we our 49 trillion dollars in debt (with obligations) Iraq is about more than Bush, Baker, the Sunnis, the Shites, Iran or anybody else. Iraq is about MONEY! Cold hard cash baby.
Iraq could cost another two trillion dollars so I think it's time to start debating just WHO is going to pay for it.

Not only did the rich Republicans of this country keep their children from fighting this war they ALSO wanted TAX CUTS> FIVE in all and they want another one too. Never in world history has a country gone to war and given their people TAX CUTS at the same time. Talk about denial.

I can think of two "stay the curse" Republicans who should get their income taxes raised to 90% RIGHT AWAY! Ruppert Murdock and Steve Forbes. In fact we should pass a special bill just for them. We can call it the Forbes/Murdock Patriotic Tax Act. Then we can work on screwing the rest of the selfish bastards! It will be fun.

Start a war tax. Call it a war tax. Tax the top one percent of earners. Raise it ALL the way up and then we'll see how important Iraq really is.
I really don't think the conservative voters will have a problem with this.

[Joanne98]

1. kick

[nealmhughes]

2. Amen. And go on austerity in the government: just a basic messhall and cots for member of Congress

and the administration. If it is good enough for our soldiers, it is good enough for them.

Let them put their money where their rhetoric and votes are. Separate the sheep from the goats...the spotted from the solid colored cattle.

Want a war? Then start acting like we have one! Or else STFU and get our boys home!

This country can make all the speeches about dignity and honor they want...it still is neofeudalism incarnate. Why not just amend/ignore the Constitution and give titles of nobility for the Corporate Elite? Free them from taxes completely and give them the power to issue lettres of cachet?

War enablers and panderers are just as culpable as are the mongers. The people are peons to be moved about in a mind-numbed atmosphere of soundbites and X-boxes.

It is time for people to start to get angry. Really angry. Howling at the moon angry. General strike angry.

Time for an American intifada, I say.

[Joanne98]

3. Amen to that!

[Joanne98]

4. The Secret Plan to stay in Iraq....

This is what I mean. We will only leave Iraq when the funding is cut. That's too hard to do without a strategy to not get blamed for "losing the war". If we give them an ultimatum....Tax the rich to pay for the war or get out... they won't be able top blame us because they would rather die than raise taxes. Then it will be the Republicans idea to cut the funds....




CONGRESS CAN ONLY STOP THE IRAQ OCCUPATION BY CUTTING OFF THE FUNDS

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In the 1968 presidential campaign Richard Nixon promised to end the war
in Vietnam, but would not tell anyone exactly he would do it. In as
many words this came to be known as his "secret plan." Yet, after his
election the war still dragged on for another five years with 20,000 more
American deaths and 100,000 wounded.

Now along comes the Iraq Study Group supposedly with a plan for
extricating ourselves from the strategic disaster in Iraq, if not the moral
one. And let us be not deceived, their proposals will make no meaningful
difference whatsoever in really bringing the troops home. John Murtha,
who so far has only spoken out for redeployment (something short of
immediate withdrawal), has said he believes they represent no actual
change of policy. They are just kicking the can of casualties down the road
and trying to fool us into thinking they might in fact leave.

The policy is, always was, and in the minds of the Bush cabal will
always will be, to occupy Iraq indefinitely while we install 14 permanent
military bases, where they have absolutely no business of the Iraqi
people to be there. And until they are absolutely forced to do otherwise
that is where they will stay, which is what is precisely meant by Bush's
recent rejection of any kind of "graceful exit."

Dennis Kucinich is calling for an end to funding for the war and
occupation now. Ultimately, that's the only reason the war in Vietnam ended
at all. Congress stopped paying for it. That's what must happen now.

The Iraqi people want us out now and their patience is at an end. It
matters not that demagogues in other countries are calling for the same
thing. It is our misfortune that we have made it so easy for them to
exploit our strategic idiocy. But it is NOT an excuse to prolong the
inevitable. This may be our last chance to use withdrawal of our
unwelcome troops as some kind of bargaining chip. In perhaps another six
months we WILL be forced to leave, and not by naysayers of some kind at
home as the right wingers have accused, but by the Iraqi people
themselves.

In the meantime, Bush, pathologically obstinate to the ignorant last,
will continue to say we will win if we just keep fighting. Fighting
who? They still haven't got a clue as to whom they are really fighting.
That's the plan whether they will admit it or not. And no report the
Iraq study group is likely to produce will have any impact worth writing
home about. It's up to us to demand an immediate withdrawal of all
American forces from Iraq, INCLUDING their support staffs, lest that be
the excuse to keep any combat troops in place. Only cutting off the
money will force their hand.

Not next year. Not in six months. Now. NOW now. We demand it.

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Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
to be ours.

[spanone]

5. Please do not assume that all people of means are for this war.

I have some rather well lathered friends who hate bush* as vehemently as anyone. Maybe more.

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Here's my plan. All 60 million people who voted for G.W. in 2004, should

send in an extra $20,000 with their income tax this year and the next and the next, etc. until the Iraqi occupation is paid for (also known as Bush's Folly). If you were one of those 'too poor to be a Republican' types, just ask one of Bush's Rangers or Pioneers to chip in for you!

Edited to add 'k'

[Joanne98]

7. Bush voters folly....That's a good idea too. Either way someone

has to pay.

[Selatius]

8. The 49 trillion number comes from including unfunded Social Security liabilities

If we exclude Social Security, we're left with 8 trillion on the government's books.

If we used GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), then we would have to include Social Security liabilities as well, and I'm fine with applying GAAP to the government's books. They need accountability anyway.