Ahmadinejad: Humble Freedom Fighter or Evil Turd?

[MannyGoldstein]

Not so many moons ago, there was a large contingent of DUers that went to bat for Mr. Ahmadinejad. Now that he's holding a "the Holocaust never happened" world conference, complete with David Duke, has the consensus changed?

[mike_c]

1. Robb is a dingbat....

eom

[burythehatchet]

2. what a stupid fucking thread

I hope the mods are up

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Hey! It May Be Stupid, But It's Legit

I'm really curious as to where DU's sentiments lie these days - the support for Ahmadinejad a few months ago was pretty depressing for me!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. "I'm really curious as to where DU's sentiments lie."

Very concerned, eh?

[Poll_Blind]

26. SELF-DELETE. n/t

PB

[Kelly Rupert]

7. Why? It's running pretty close.

[David__77]

3. I won't go so far as to say he's as evil as Romney, but...

...he's pretty fucking bad. I'm one who tries to give a certain leeway to third world leaders under threat of imperialist attack, but he is simply a reactionary, period.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Any guy that would have David Duke in his country...

is clearly an evil turd.

[mike_c]

13. we have David Duke in our country....

I'm just sayin'.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Yeah, that's my point.

Apparently very few people noticed that Ahmadinejad's hosting a conference on holocaust denial and invited an American as a keynote speaker.

I think Ahmadinejad's laughing all the way to the reactor.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. We don't have a choice, Ahmadinejad does

[Printer70]

29. And he's been elected in our country

In a state legislature, and almost won a race for US Congress. So Duke is just as welcome in the US as he is apparently in Iran. Also, while I have my share of problems with Iran's leadership, let's not forget that, as far as racism goes, Israel is the only country that denies citizenship based on race.

[Behind the Aegis]

31. "Israel is the only country that denies citizenship based on race."

Wrong.

[Printer70]

32. Why am I wrong?

Israel grants automatic citizenship to Jews, everyone else has to go through a process. From wikipedia: "Israel is, by its own definition, the state of the Jewish nation, and its leadership believes that one of its primary objectives is keeping a Jewish majority in Israel. Thus, Israeli nationality law is created with a bias in favor of those with Jewish heritage.". Israel operates unde jus soli- or right of blood, not right of birthplace. Wikipedia again: "A non-Israel Jew or an eligible descendant of a non-Israel Jew needs to request approval to immigrate to Israel, a request which can be denied for a variety of reasons."

There are other ways to acquire citizenship for non-Jews, such as naturalization, by birth, by residence, or, except for Palestinians, by marrying and Israeli citizen. But these are rare.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. You answered your own question!

You said, incorrectly, "Israel is the only country that denies citizenship based on race."

[AlienGirl]

37. Something like Ireland's system, where you pretty much have to have an Irish grandparent?

[Scurrilous]

38. Google the Nationality and Entry into Israel Law...

...aka the Citizenship and Family Unification Law.

It denies Israeli citizenship to spouses of Israeli citizens based on race.


Whether Israel is the only country to do this is another matter.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Palestinians are a "race?"

Also, it is a temporary law.

"Whether Israel is the only country to do this is another matter." I suppose you already know that answer!

[Poll_Blind]

5. SELF-DELETE. Don't know why I even bother. n/t

PB

[Kelly Rupert]

8. Pretty obviously evil.

[Mojambo]

10. Turd. n/t

[Selatius]

11. He's playing to his conservative base by saying he will wipe out Israel

Ahmedinejad is a lot of things, but I don't think he's suicidal, unless he wants what the CIA estimates to be roughly 400 Israeli nuke warheads wiping out Iran's 400 largest cities.

Bush does something similar with the conservative fundamentalist base here in the US but not to that extreme.

[Printer70]

30. My theory on this

My sense is that Ahjamaned (sp?) is being used by the mullahs/Khameni in Iran to establish Iran as a regional power in the Middle East; his extremist outbursts are meant to win the loyalties of the Arab people. However, word is that the Iran parliament has called for early elections, and I think this is all staged to replace Ahjamened with a more moderate leader like Khatami before him; which will lessen pressure on their nuclear program.

[Trajan]

12. This man is an extreme right wing politician ...

... who stymied the development of moderate policy in a theocratic state ...

I dont accept the argument that the enemy of my enemy is my friend : He is an extremist right wing asshole .... He is to the right of Bush .... so WHY the fuck would I, a LIBERAL, support him ? ...

[Gwerlain]

14. Like many,

he has evil parts and good parts. He is trying to do the best he can for his people. On the other hand, he is obviously uninterested in facts. Typical fundie, if you ask me.

[liberalsoldier5]

28. Wow.

I wonder if you're that understanding of Bush. Jeez. Thank God our Dem leaders don't talk or think like that (no offense). Otherwise, forget '08 AND '12. I guess that's why we're "underground."

Seriously, let's not let our hatred for Republicans make us foolish. There ARE worse people than Bush, and this Holocaust denying bastard is one of them. Showing more understanding and support to the President of Iran than to our fellow Americans- however incompetent they may be -makes us go from Democrats to pure idiots.

I can just picture Ann Frank and the other 6 million Jews, homosexuals, etc. who were executed in the Holocaust waiting in the afterlife to kick the shit out of Mahmoud. I bet all the gays and non-Muslims he's had beaten and killed will be eager to get a shot at him too. Too bad he's probably going to hell.

[JNelson6563]

42. Clear perspective

Few in this day and age can claim the body counts of the Bush Cabal.

Julie

[Trajan]

15. Regrettably: NO poll option suits my feelings ....

and WHY would he be protecting Iraq before Iran ? .... thats a lame selection ....

He isnt 'evil', but he is a right wing ignoramus who wields power dangerously ...

None of these options work for me ...

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Ooops - meant to write 'Iran'

Long day... sorry.

[bicentennial_baby]

16. None of the Above

He was put up by the Supreme Leader/Guardian Council (I think) as a candidate, and he was elected by the people. That is how it works there, the people elect the President, the Majlis (legislature), and the Assembly of Experts (those who appoint the Supreme Leader)...and so on, and so forth...

[majorjohn]

17. So why exactly are there three evil vote categories?

I think this poll is messed up...

[Kelly Rupert]

22. So it looks like "good guy" is winning?

:shrug:

[Poll_Blind]

24. To make the top results, visually, seem more "popular", that's why. Three...

...polls like this in as many weeks, at least.

:puke:

PB

[brentspeak]

41. Good observation. This OP and all other who post similar polls should be alerted, big time

And if you notice, there are only votes in favor of the nut-job, but no actual posts supporting him. The undercover Cons don't want to reveal themselves.

[wtmusic]

20. Ahmadinejad is protecting Iraq?

That's awful nice of him.

[baldguy]

23. He's the Shi'a version of Bush.

He plays to the worst fears and prejudices of his base while ignoring the real world.

[left of center]

25. Iran's version of Pat Robertson

That is what he is.

[eridani]

27. Fake "populist" fundie who got elected by pandering--

--to the Muslim versions of the fundie whackjobs who support Bush, his hand greatly strengthened by US and Israeli saber-rattling.

[Renew Deal]

33. Evil Moron

I don't know if he's more dumb than evil, but he sure is both.

[cynatnite]

34. Nutjob extremist...

Iran's got theirs and we've got ours. :scared:

[Cocoa]

36. there should be an "I don't know" option

for people like me who don't know much about him other than what's reported in the lapdog media.

Also maybe a "who's Ahmadinejad?" option, in case Silvestre Reyes is playing.

[brentspeak]

40. Who are all the undercover Cons voting for Ahmadinejad?

They'll never give up trying to discredit this website.

BTW, this is a stupid thread, designed to give Cons an easy chance to discredit DU.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. 10 DUers say he's a BRILLIANT FREEDOM FIGHTER?? How shameful!

We have 10 DUers who align themselves with the likes of DAVID DUKE AND AHMEDINEJAD!:grr: Hateful. PURE HATE.

[Moderator]

44. locking....

flamebait.