Giuliani in drag (picture)

[Infinite Hope]

Here's a glimpse of the GOP Primary season. Yeah...he'll be nominated. Riiight.

[Midlodemocrat]

1. Your point?

:eyes:

[tridim]

19. The point is, this is the kind of stuff the GOP will bring up in their primary

Obviously DU doesn't have a problem with men dressing in drag, but it's a safe bet that the fundie base does.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. And, no offense, your point is horseshit.

I'm so fucking sick and tired of the homophobic crap that is going on in this country.

Rudy dresses in drag for fundraiser = OMG, he must be GAY!!! Or a latent homo. What a total fuckup. He's totally fucked up his career. blah, blah, blah.

He dressed up in drag for a fundraiser. If *I* dressed up like Tiki Barber, is that fodder?

God, this shit gets so fucking old.

[tridim]

29. When did I say he was gay?

I'm as far from homophobic as a straight male can be and honestly I'm offended by your accusation. I'd appreciate an apology.

[Midlodemocrat]

30. I didn't mean you and I apologize if it seemed that way.

I was ranting in general about the homophobia that grips this country. I didn't mean to imply that *you* were homophobic. I am just so fed up with the bigotry.

Peace.

[tridim]

33. Gotcha, sorry about that.

[Midlodemocrat]

39. No, my fault.

I found out pretty late in my life that the lack of civil rights, (something I take completely for granted in my heterosexual, married, mom of three, middle class world) was deeply and profoundly resented and I think I've made it my cause celebre to attack and defend my GBLT bros and sis's.

I truly didn't mean to attack you and again, I'm sorry if I offended you. Not my intention at all.

I just don't think this shit is funny. We wouldn't be laughing if Rudy had dressed up in blackface, right?

:hi:

[terrya]

36. And I'll add to your comment if I may.

First of all...we ALL know that Rudolph Guiliani has the proverbial snowball's chance in hell of winning the Republican nomination. He's pro-choice and pro-gay rights. No way will Pat Robertson and company allow him anywhere near that ticket in 2008. So why dredge this up? Why post this picture...which I've seen here before?

Rudolph Guiliani is a Republican, of course. There are many other reasons to express disapproval of Guiliani and his record. But to engage in this stuff...it's so...shameful. We here at DU should be better than that. And this isn't directed to any one particular person.

Just my .02

[xultar]

2. The one single thing I do like about Rudy.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Me too.

It's probably the most liberal thing he'll ever do.

[Dr.Phool]

25. He has ulterior motives.

He wants to be named the next Miss USA.

[Taxloss]

110. Nice to see you BMUS.

:hi: :hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Me too.

And that video is a scream.

Rudy is WORKING that dress!

[calimary]

Me, too. Is that really Giuliani?

Actually, he really doesn't look all that bad! Like the gloves, too. And somehow it just seems that much more appropriate to have The Donald in the photo, too. What was the occasion?

[xultar]

109. I think it was Halloween a few years back.

[liberaliraqvet26]

3. That should pick him up votes in the South Carolina primary...

pretty funny stuff.

[karlrschneider]

4. What is your specific complaint about it?

I'm no fan of Rudy but I don't see anything wrong with what he was doing there...
:eyes:

[bigwillq]

31. That *they* can dress up in drag

make a joke about it, think they're funny and cool

but then don't want to give equal rights to all citizens. Yes, Rudy supports gay issues for the most part but still, I feel it is insulting.

[karlrschneider]

37. Okayyyy.....so only gay people are allowed to 'dress up in drag'?

I guess I don't really understand why you're offended. Sorry.
(Yes, I'm gay...)

[bigwillq]

41. Anyone can dress up in drag

if that's their choice.

But not hypocritical rethuglicans who won't support a pro-gay agenda but then feel the need to strut around in drag.

Insulting.

[karlrschneider]

44. Well, it doesn't affect me. I suspect there are some who would have a conniption

if Al Gore had done it...

[bigwillq]

47. But Al Gore didn't do it

Rudy did. There's a difference.

[karlrschneider]

50. Okay, -what- is the difference? Rudy has been gay-friendly for years,

maybe even moreso than Gore. :eyes:

[bigwillq]

61. But he represents a party

that is not gay friendly...that is the difference.

[karlrschneider]

68. Oh, yeah, I forgot about all those Democrats who have publicly supported

same-sex marriage. Let's see, there's Barney Frank and....gosh, I seem to have forgotten all those others. :eyes:

[NYCGirl]

112. There was a time when Al Gore on SNL in a hottub (with an Chris Parnell

portraying Joementum) was considered "political suicide".


(Sorry, can't find a larger pic of it)

Here's the sketch:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/02/02hmono.phtml

[Midlodemocrat]

42. Of course not. But a man who is a political figure for the party that

is notoriously anti-gay isn't allowed to. Anymore than David Duke could wear blackface and 'get away with it'.

:rant:

[karlrschneider]

43. I guess I don't grasp what he "got away with."

A republican wearing a dress just doesn't get my hormones gyrated either way. :eyes:

[Midlodemocrat]

45. Because no one thinks it's 'homophobic'.

It is. If he was wearing blackface, is that okay?

I can't separate the two.

And, you stated you are gay. If you aren't offended that's great. A lot of other people, including this straight, married mom of three, are.

[karlrschneider]

51. I'm probably old enough to be your dad. (What was your mom's maiden name?)

But please don't take this wrong...if I'm not offended, you really don't need to be - I'm quite well prepared to fight my own battles and this ain't one I care about. :D

[Midlodemocrat]

53. I doubt it. My dad was a progressive in every way, shape and form.

Your not caring is your prerogative. Others caring and trying to change things for themselves and their families is theirs.

[karlrschneider]

58. Don't care??? I've lived with my SO for 26 years and 4 months.

Don't you DARE question my dedication to gay rights issues. I just don't get overly exercised about some doofus of whatever political persuasion wearing a goddamn dress. Some of us actually live in the real world and focus our efforts where they might just matter instead of concentrating on piffle.

[Midlodemocrat]

60. Then why post in this thread? If it's 'piffle' to you, why bother?

For me, anytime I see someone claiming to be of the persuasion that is being discriminated against and also claiming not to care because it's 'piffle', their argument flies right out the window. Don't you 'care' about your GLBT friends/relatives who are offended by this homophobia?

Good for you that you've been with your SO as long as you have. Can't you see how many GLBT DUers find this photo to be homophobic and offensive?

[karlrschneider]

65. Yeah, I see a lot of crybabies sniveling about it, as if it was actually important.

jesuschrist, if this is a big deal, we've already lost the war. I do care about my GLBT friends but goddamnit they need to look at the big picture instead of agonizing over a stupid picture of some republican prick trying to look like a woman.

[Midlodemocrat]

69. But part of the 'big picture' of which you speak is getting people

to acknowledge that this shit isn't funny. Any more than ethnic or racial jokes aren't funny.

Baby steps. Baby steps.

[karlrschneider]

70. Be very careful with the 'baby steps' comment...you will be vilified by

a certain coterie of DUers who want everything, NOW. A nice ideal but unrealistic.

[Midlodemocrat]

72. LOL. I know. But after getting a truer sense of what homosexuals

go through in this country, (IRL as well as posting here), I am doubly committed to equal rights. Equal rights are civil rights. We, as a people in this country, shouldn't 'feel' comfortable telling homophobic jokes, in much the same way as most don't feel comfortable telling racist jokes.

I can't begin to describe to you the depth of the sorrow I felt this year when I *finally* I admit, belatedly, realized how devastating our country treats people in love. I have never been homophobic, ever, but the depth of my sorrow is something I won't soon forget.

I need to see that changed. In my lifetime. In my children's lifetime. I don't want a grandchild of mine telling their parent that they have a friend whose parents kicked them out because of their sexual orientiation like my daughter told me. I don't want to have to explain that level of hatred to another child.

[karlrschneider]

79. I appreciate that, but I think you are overestimating the 'angst' we feel about

many of the things that you're concerned about. Most of us aren't fragile thin-skinned prancing fairies; on the contrary we're outwardly pretty much like everybody else. And yes, the issues on equality are very important but we don't obsess over minutia like Rudy wearing a dress. By the way,
my mention of Senator Coburn wasn't made in a vacuum - I was his daddy's chief pilot for years and hauled Tommy around the country from the time he was in high school. I consider him to be a friend in some ways and an enemy in others...he well understands that (or so he's said to me) and he full well
remembers the many times I held his life and those of his family in my capable hands. I 'converted' his brother, still working on him. This is all true, there are many DUers who know my history. I may be queer but I'm not a liar.

[Midlodemocrat]

81. Never said you were a liar.

And with all due respect, your experience isn't everyone's. Anymore than my essentially (honestly) painless C-section is what everyone who has one experiences.

Some of my friends have been subjected to intense homophobia and it really disturbs me. Probably more than most, but I am a passionate person and I feel others' pain very, very deeply. (Which is why I am doing the Second Harvest donation challenge, but that's another story for another day)

I remember when I was young my parents coming home from a party and my mom was absolutely incensed because most of the attendees had daughters, (like me) and they were stating that they didn't feel it necessary to send their daughters to college, that a 'secretarial school' (called that back in the day) was good enough. My mom, and in fairness, my dad were outraged that a child shouldn't get the same opportunity based on gender.

I kind of feel the same way about gay rights. I'm outraged that who a person loves determines their lot in life and their rights. And, that isn't right.

[karlrschneider]

88. Sure, I never claimed to speak for anyone, let alone everyone else

I guess I was just trying to explain that from my POV, the Rudy thing is so peripheral it just doesn't rise to the level of insult, much less outrage. It just don't matter, to phrase it in the vernacular of the uncouth. ;-)

[Midlodemocrat]

89. And I can totally understand that POV.

I hope you understand what I am saying, that for some, it is really painful. :)

[karlrschneider]

93. I do. I wish it weren't such a big deal to my LGBT friends...but maybe it is.

We don't 'circulate' in any gay community, we live in a fairly remote area and get along VERY well with most (99.9+%) of everybody out here. Our activism is not local because it wouldn't be useful on that level so we concentrate on state and federal venues.

[terrya]

76. Before I go to bed...can I offer a thought?

I'm gay...and I've thought that there's been not exactly subtle homophobia here at DU for a while.

From being told that, because we demand the same rights as heterosexual Americans (legally recognized same-sex marriages, for instance), we gay and lesbian Democrats cost us the White House in 2004, to more stuff about Jeff Gannon than I ever, ever really wanted to read about, to some of the vile stuff I read about Mark Foley...

I have seen this unforunate habit of some (emphasis on SOME) people around here using homosexuality or anything that smacks of homosexuality as a cudgel ot a way to slur Republicans. Yes, there are gay Republicans and there's a hypocrisy factor. But...it's also homophobic. In other words...there are some that are a little too...gleeful, perhaps?....in playing the gay card. In other words, for some of these people who seem to be "interested" in homosexuality, I sure as fuck don't see them in the GLBT forum.

[bliss_eternal]

103. self delete...

.

[Catherine Vincent]

59. Dressing in drag and "blackface" cannot be equated.

I don't understand how you feel it's the same.

[Midlodemocrat]

64. You're kidding, right?

No, you're not. And, that's too bad.

[Catherine Vincent]

73. There is nothing wrong with dressing in drag.

But there is something wrong with dressing in "blackface".

[Midlodemocrat]

75. And we're off.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

83. Whatever.

:eyes:

I can roll my eyes too. :)

[Midlodemocrat]

84. Yeah, but you're not as good at it as I am.

And you KNOW this is homophobic. Why play dumb?

[Catherine Vincent]

95. If it is homophobic, then why did Rudy G dress like that?

??

[bliss_eternal]

97. Perhaps...

because he doesn't care that it's insensitive to gays to do so. He's a straight, white, republican male. When have they ever cared if they offended minority groups?

For the most part (of course there are exceptions), straight, white republican males strive to be divisive not inclusive, as such it's not a big surprise that he would do something like this.

[Matariki]

99. you know, plenty of straight white (possibly republican) males like to dress in drag

and there's no shame in that.

[bliss_eternal]

100. I don't think I said there was.

:) But a straight, white (possibly republican), male that likes to dress in drag would probably be thought of as a cross dresser. As a cross dresser, it is doubtful that one would pose for such a picture as this. A great many cross dressers carry a great deal of shame about enjoying wearing women's clothing.

[Matariki]

101. yeah but the one's that are ashamed do it on halloween. or fundraisers?

[bliss_eternal]

104. Really...?

:shrug: Not sure how that relates to this, but if you say so. You're entitled to your opinion.

[Matariki]

98. Most the transvestites I know are actually heterosexual.

and I know quite a few. I have to agree that I don't quite see the connection between Giuliani in drag & homophobia. Or the comparison to black-face. I *do* see the connection to homophobia in *comments* about how it ruins his career or is somehow deserving of ridicule. Could you perhaps explain why you think it's homophobic instead of just doing the eyes thing?

He actually looks like he's enjoying himself - and good for him. Like someone else said - it's the one thing I could like him for.

[AndreaCG]

108. The whole concept of drag is sexist.

Women can wear pants without being labeled as mannish. Men don't enjoy the same freedom.

Of course if the RW religious fanatics have their way women will be confined to dresses. Knee length or longer please.

[bliss_eternal]

102. Well said...

:hi:

[Midlodemocrat]

35. Would you feel the same way if he were dressed in blackface?

I didn't think so. It's insulting. End of story.

[karlrschneider]

46. It wouldn't especially bother me. I see stupid shit every day but I don't

get my balls in an uproar about every silly little thing. Jeezus...

[Midlodemocrat]

49. Thank God there are people to take up the slack for you.

THANK GOD there are people who are willing to fight the fight you are apparently unwilling to.

Shit, dude. :eyes:

[karlrschneider]

52. "the slack"?? Write to Senator Tom Coburn and request copies of letters

I've written to him. Tell him Lindbergh said it's okay. He will know, I guarantee.

[Midlodemocrat]

55. Sure.

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

62. You don't believe me? There's one way to find out if you have the guts.

Here's another little not-so-insignificant point: I use my REAL NAME here...I don't hide behind what I generally consider to be stupid 'handles'. I'm just who I say I am. [e-mail]

There's my real actual email. Make what you want of it.

[Midlodemocrat]

63. No kidding?

Dude, I already know all I want to about you.

[karlrschneider]

71. Why am I not surprised? DU is full of hot-shots with big egos but lack the courage

to publicly identify themselves. I call them cowards...what do you call them?

[Midlodemocrat]

74. I'd be more than happy to identify myself to you.

But, frankly, you wouldn't believe me. Sorry.

[karlrschneider]

77. The ultimate cop-out. Nice try.

I have met a few coward chickenshits in my day.

[Midlodemocrat]

78. Seriously. You wouldn't believe me.

Ask Skinner.

[karlrschneider]

80. I don't think I want to bother David about this. You have my email,

why not just 'get in touch'? I'm willing to listen.
[e-mail]

[Midlodemocrat]

82. Check your email.

Told you so.

[karlrschneider]

86. Got the email, no I never heard of the person you mentioned.

Should I have?

[Midlodemocrat]

87. Seriously.

Google the man and then tell me. You'll be shocked.

[karlrschneider]

90. Uh, okay, I did. If I found the 'right' one, please accept my condolences.

:-)


I can only suppose he has a very large..................















audience?

[Midlodemocrat]

91. LOL. See? Told you.

And, no. It isn't him. Just the same name. And, you're right about that and he also has a very big

































salary.

:rofl:

[karlrschneider]

94. Curses! Foiled again!

See how it works? We both found out the other isn't an asshole after all! Funny how that works, huh?
:D

You're okay. ;-)

[Midlodemocrat]

105. Well, I must confess.

I *did* think you were an asshole until you stated you were gay. Not that that alone is a disclaimer/qualifier, but I am/was interested as to why you aren't bothered by this.

Cheers. Happy New Year. :hi:

[karlrschneider]

106. Hey, it's okay. A lot of DUers think I'm an asshole. I just say what I believe

and stick to my beliefs. Brutal honesty doesn't often gain appreciation as you've probably noticed.
Happy New Year and all years...to you too. :-)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. He really doesn't look too bad.

I'd have gone with a little darker wig, and lavender really isn't his color. But he has good facial structure -- very nice cheekbones. I think he'd look good in a simple black or red dress, maybe with pearls.

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Yeah a darker wig would work better.

Maybe even with a share of red.

The dress is perfect, I think.

[Chipper Chat]

6. He's gorgeous.

Even if he is a Pub!

[valerief]

7. He's pretty for a Republican. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. He could serve as president and first lady...........

This will go over big in the Bible Belt.

[Crunchy Frog]

113. He may have to.

How is that third marriage coming along?

[terrya]

9. Oh, dear God...he's in...DRAG.....

Well, that's it...Rudolph Guiliani is pure evil. That picture of him is proof positive.

:eyes:

[dolo amber]

14. Not evil, luv, just gay

Oh wait... :think:


I'll join you in your :eyes:

[terrya]

18. Well, sweetie...that's the same thing to some people around here.

The alert has been sent. Poor GD mods. They must get tired of hearing from me about this stuff.

[LostinVA]

20. Oh boy -- this again, huh?

[terrya]

21. Yeah...this again.

Sadly, Guiliani is more attractive in drag than MY one time in drag. :cry:

[Midlodemocrat]

23. LOL. In all honesty.

He looks better in a dress than I do.

:hide:


But this still really, really fucking pisses me off.

:rant:

[terrya]

26. Like I said in my post...the poor GD mods...

They've gotten an earful...so to speak...from the alerts I send on this ridiculous crap.

It's so...fucking tedious.

[bliss_eternal]

27. Just wanted to thank you...

for alerting on this kind of thing. Sometimes I feel I must be the only one. Hitting alert and being a pain in the ass to the mods get's tiresome, too.

(sigh).

[LostinVA]

28. Poor thing

[ronnykmarshall]

38. Oh me too.

Except when I was a in the fourth grade and went as Geraldine Jones for Halloween.

[terrya]

40. Luckily, there are no pics of my drag experience.

Picture a demented looking Peg Bundy and you get the idea.

[beam me up scottie]

57. That picture is a scream!

:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

66. I love that!

Geraldine Jones was a scream! :)

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. I don't think he was in drag per se - he was dressed as a woman for a fundraiser.

And as God is my witness, he so looks like Gene Hackman at the end of "The Birdcage".

Why is it so bad that he's in a dress? I don't get it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. What fundraiser? His divorce?

He looks stunning, rat-teeth and all.

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. wrong slot.

[valerief]

17. No, not Hackman. He looks like a senior Sharon Stone. Look

closely.

I love the wig.

[tanyev]

11. Oh, it was just a joke, don'cha know. IOKIYAR.

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Until it shows up in campaign ads................

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. go bigotry!!! lets bank on bigotry to let politicians not be nominated.

jeez!

why does this keep coming up? have we lost the ability to have a cogent argument against guiliani? are we really that fucking stupid?

[mondo joe]

48. The GOP is a party of bigots, by and large. No point in not exploiting that.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. No, I'll bank on the fact that he's pro-choice will keep him from getting within 20 miles of the GOP

nomination.

The bottom line is, knuckle-dragging, 6000 year old Earth, Christian Fundys who believe women should go to prison for using the birth control pill run the Republican Primary Process.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. If he was willing to toe the GOP line re: criminalizing abortion and birth control

they wouldn't care so much about the drag.

[Ian David]

67. Cue Bruno saying, "Rudy... call me!"

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/10/31/bruno_wideweb__470x329,0.jpg

[whalerider55]

85. not for nothing, but...

there is a really, really narsty part of me that wants to see a twice divorced, philandering, pro-choice, pro-gay rights catholic republican like Rudy, and an empty suit, flip-flopping political carpetbagger entrepreneurial capitalist who specialised in buying, downsizing companies and then selling them for mucho dolares Mormon like Mitt Romney sitting together on a stage in Biloxi Mississippi debating things like family values, working for the small businessperson,and how the south should just ignore all their previous comments about choice and gay rights.

i do believe i'd pay to see that debate; damn, i'd register as a republican for a day to get a ticket.

i don't think either of them gets out of the south with 20% of the vote between them. Brownback carries the load here, and if McCain can scrape up enough support in the west to capture the nomination (which I wouldn't take money on) then he'll have a lot of fun picking a VP nominee-

hmm... Condi? nope, by the time the dems are done investigating, she'll be lucky to get a job teaching history in a junior high school. Brownback? that would solidify the fundies, and lose the center, which McCain has ignored anyway up to now. Hutchinson (Kay)? hmmm. two candidates from the same region. Rudi or Mitt? nope, he would have that fundemental problem again. Jebbie?
nope, bush fatigue.

think about it, folks. The pugs have a problem. The inevitability of McCain, versus seriously looking at Hegel or Huckabee, who could actually win.

BTW, I like the dress. But I really don't think The Donald's tie goes very well with it.

I guess I just don't want to get over into homophobic-dragophobic dialogue. I'd rather consider what is happening here on earth.

whalerider55

[beam me up scottie]

96. Okay, now THAT is funny.

there is a really, really narsty part of me that wants to see a twice divorced, philandering, pro-choice, pro-gay rights catholic republican like Rudy, and an empty suit, flip-flopping political carpetbagger entrepreneurial capitalist who specialised in buying, downsizing companies and then selling them for mucho dolares Mormon like Mitt Romney sitting together on a stage in Biloxi Mississippi debating things like family values, working for the small businessperson,and how the south should just ignore all their previous comments about choice and gay rights.

Oh, baby, so would I.

:rofl:

[Left Is Write]

115. Please spare the country from having to say President Huckabee.

[fishwax]

118. good post

I'd love to see the romney--giuliani debate too :rofl:

I'm not sure Huckabee would win, but I defnitely agree that the repubs have a problem. I've thought that since the morning after the '04 election, when it seemed clear that there would be a war between the religious-nutjob faction and the sorta-libertarian faction ... the longer they put off that difficult decision, the better :)

[DesertRat]

92. I can't want for the primaries

:rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

107. Hmm...how should I put this?

:eyes:

[Taxloss]

111. Respect for Giuliani, up one notch. n/t

[Scout1071]

114. I think Rudy looks great in drag.

But, sadly, I agree with the OP. The Fundie base will not support him after they see these pics (however stupid that is) and after they find out that he lived with 2 gay guys in NYC. Not to mention the fact that while he lived with them, he was dating a woman while still married to his wife.

Rudy will never get the Repug nomination, but if some 3rd party were to spring up, he'd have a helluva shot.

I just think it's amusing because pre-9/11 when I was in NYC, I would see all kinds of Rudy protestors. He really wasn't like all that much in NYC. But, I will give him credit for cleaning up the city.

[Left Is Write]

116. Rudy looks a damn sight better than Trump.

[judaspriestess]

117. it wouldn't surprise me if the neocons used this pic

to embarass Guiliani and associate him with gays. As stupid as it is. They will eat their own. Like they did with Howard Dean and his infamous scream portraying him to be a loose cannon.

[Obamarama]

119. OMG...what is my Aunt Sylvia doing with Donald Trump on the internets?

I swear to the gods it looks like my Aunt Sylvia (think "Auntie Mame") come back to life. Oy.