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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:51 PM
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U.S. Troops Use Stun Bombs on Iranian Consulate, Lower Iranian Flag, Hand Keys to Kurds= ACT OF WAR
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 01:10 PM by Dems Will Win
1. The Iranian consulate in Arbil, sovereign territory of Iran under international law, was attacked with stun bombs and six staffers taken away by U.S. troops. The Iranian flag was lowered and the keys handed over to the Kurdish Peshmerga militia. This is a blatant act of war.

The forces entered the building about 3 a.m., detaining the Iranians and confiscating computers and documents, two senior local Kurdish officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information. Irbil is a city in the Kurdish-controlled northern part of Iraq, 220 miles from Baghdad.

A resident living near the building said the troops used stun bombs and brought down an Iranian flag from the roof. As the operation went on, two helicopters flew overhead, the resident said on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

At the Pentagon, a senior U.S. military official said the building was not a consulate and did not have any diplomatic status. The six Iranians were taken in a "cordon-and-knock" operation, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


2. Another Iranian bank was banned and frozen by Bush.

The action against Bank Sepah means no U.S. companies or citizens can do business with it, and any of its assets that come under U.S. jurisdiction will be blocked.

"Bank Sepah is the financial linchpin of Iran's missile procurement network and has actively assisted Iran's pursuit of missiles capable of carrying weapons of mass destruction," said Stuart Levey, Treasury's under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence.

In September, Levey announced measures to cut off one of Iran's main state-owned banks, Saderat, from dealings with the U.S. financial system, accusing the Iranian government of using the bank to transfer money to terrorist organizations. Iran has denied various U.S. charges that it supports terrorism.

The U.N. Security Council in December imposed sanctions that target 10 Iranian organizations or companies and 12 individuals associated with Tehran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

The resolution, number 1737, was adopted by a 15-0 vote and requires that countries freeze the financial assets abroad of those on the list.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001972.html




Add to this the extra carrier strike force, the USS Sitting Duck Missile Target Group, going to the Gulf; Condi saying no Iranian talks without capitulation; Israel threatening to use nuke bunker-busters on Iranian facilities; anti-missile Patriot platoons will be going to friendly Sunni allies; 92,000 more active-duty troops; several thousand expeditionary Marines already in the region (who could invade the 2 ports of Iran); a troop surge into Baghdad to take out the Shia al-Sadr Brigade (who would counter-attack against US troops in a war with Iran); and the fact that Fred Kagan and the neo-cons are BACK BIG-TIME -- and one can only draw one conclusion:

As of today, we are rapidly headed toward war with Iran. All this after many recent meetings between the US and Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

It does not look good.

The neo-cons are cornered politically and it appears they decided to once again create a new reality and expand the war to Iran. This distracts from Iraq and they hope the Iranians are crazy enough to sink a US vessel and give them the "New Pearl Harbor" called for in the PNAC Plan.

They really are that crazy, who knew?

Here are specs on the anti-ship missiles of the Iranians:


The Saccade

From Wilkipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-802
The Yingji-82 or YJ-82 (Chinese: literally "Eagle Strike"; NATO reporting name: CSS-N-8 Saccade) is a Chinese anti-ship missile first unveiled in 1989 by the China Haiying Electro-Mechanical Technology Academy (CHETA), also known as the Third Academy. Since the Yingji-82 missile has a small radar reflectivity and is only about five to seven meters above the sea surface when it attacks the target, and since its guidance equipment has strong anti-jamming capability, target ships have a very low success rate in intercepting the missile. The hit probability of the Yingji-82 is estimated to be as high as 98 percent. The Yingji-82 can be launched from airplanes, surface ships, submarines and land-based vehicles, and has been considered along with the US Harpoon missile as among the best anti-ship missiles of its generation.<1> Its export name is the C-802.

The Sunburn

The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes “violent end maneuvers” to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution –– not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder “just in time.”

The Sunburn’s combined supersonic speed and payload size produce tremendous kinetic energy on impact, with devastating consequences for ship and crew. A single one of these missiles can sink a large warship, yet costs considerably less than a fighter jet. Although the Navy has been phasing out the older Phalanx defense system, its replacement, known as the Rolling Action Missile (RAM) has never been tested against the weapon it seems destined to one day face in combat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:53 PM
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1. You said it. "They really are crazy..." We knew...
I have cold shivers reading this story.

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:53 PM
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2. I'm worried that we'll sink one of our own vessels and blame it on them
It's getting to the point where paranoia sounds more and more like reality.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:56 PM
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3. I don't think you have to worry about that. The Iranians are hot-heads and have the new Russian
anti-ship missiles against which the US ships have NO defense.

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DerBeppo Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:01 PM
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4. That's an overrated threat.
It's not nearly as deadly to our ships as many have made it out to be.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:04 PM
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6. Says a guy sitting on dry land.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:15 PM
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7. Shhh, telling the truth like that upsets people
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:16 PM
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8. Updated the original post with missile info. The Iranians have been buying the Sunburns
with their new oil money from higher oil prices. They are not stoppable with the radar/gatling gun defense and they even "wiggle" as they come toward the ship at Mach 2.1.

You were saying?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:43 PM
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11. You have any sort of actual EVIDENCE to back up that claim?
There's a TITLE for those "many" you are so off-handedly dismissing;
they are called "Weapons Experts".
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:43 PM
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12. Why do you hate America?
We're number 1!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:44 PM
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16. Cuz the CRICKETS are so noisy here sometimes? nm
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:54 PM
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13. That's what they said about the Exocet before the Falklands
war. Remember how that turned out?
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:57 PM
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20. I don't know, a tanker managed to sneak up on one of our subs the other day, so
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 03:58 PM by lectrobyte
it's possible that while maybe the Sunburns are overrated, perhaps our defenses are as well. And there's always a chance of a "lucky shot" or whatever.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:03 PM
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5. They're Hot-heads
Not stupid!

They will let the US launch the first attack, and then all hell will break loose. The Iranians may not win but a lot of US troops are going to pay for Bush's vision of Armageddon!!!!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:29 PM
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9. A "New Pearl Harbor" or A "New 9/11"......nt
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:59 PM
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14. New Gulf of Tonkin
That's what I see them trying to provoke in the Persian Gulf to start a war with Iran.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:33 PM
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10. I hope this does not lead to war with Iran
It probably will since it seems President Rapture is doing all he can to poke the bear with a stick. The he can look shocked when the bear turns and bites.

I hope and a pray to the gods that calmer heads prevail in this somehow. Those are real, living , breathing men and women on those ships, just the same as those are real living breathing men and women on the ground in both Afganistan and Iraq. They have people here who love them very much. It isn't a "ship" it is in fact "a large group of young men and women in a small confined place surrounded by water". I'm not quite ready to give up hope for a different course just yet. There are just to many lives at stake.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:25 PM
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15. Stupid technical question - What's a stun bomb?
I've never heard of a bomb that doesn't rip things to shreds. How does a stun bomb work?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:52 PM
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17. It produces a loud bang and a flash of light.
The idea is that it surprises people so badly that you can get the drop on them.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:53 PM
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18. Also called a concussion grenade:
A concussion grenade, also known by the terms stun grenade, flashbang and noisemaker, is a hand-thrown explosive device. Like its more lethal cousins, it is designed to be armed by removal of a pin and then the subsequent release of an arming 'spoon,' after which a chemical fuse begins to run. The primary characteristic of a concussion grenade is that it is designed to be non-lethal. Rather than harming its target through shrapnel (the most lethal part of a typical grenade explosion, which - contrary to television - typically involves almost no flame) it is intended to produce a very sharp, strong report. The pressure wave from this detonation is meant to be strong enough to temporarily stun or incapacitate humans. The casing of such a grenade is made from paper or a soft plastic which will dissolve or powder in the explosion and present minimal damage risks. Some models also contain magnesium or other pyrotechnics designed to produce an extremely bright flash of light; experiments and experience have shown that humans can be rendered immobile and/or given temporary seizures by bright and sudden enough flashes which overload the optic nerves and that part of the brain responsible for vision. When coupled with the concussion, these are very effective. They can also be used to destroy the vision of enemies using night vision equipment.

These are popular with special police units, such as Hostage Rescue teams and S.W.A.T. units. They are also used by the military, particularly in urban combat, where the enclosed spaces of buildings, tunnels and vehicles amplify their effect through resonance.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:55 PM
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19. It's a small explosive used to distract/stun with noise.
Picture a hand grenade with a cardboard casing instead
of a metal one; you get the same huge "bang" without
the flying shrapnel.

Some have additional chemicals mixed in to produce
a blinding flash of light which will temporarily
mess up VISION, much like a camera flash does.

Shrapnel or no, it's still an explosive and it certainly
WILL hurt you if you are too close when it goes off.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:58 AM
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21. Flash-bang.
Concussion grenade - no shrapnel.
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