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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:44 AM
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secret executive order to start military operations against Syria/Iran

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2007/01/were_in_trouble.html


Have a look at The Washington Note, whose latest begins like this:

Washington intelligence, military and foreign policy circles are abuzz today with speculation that the President, yesterday or in recent days, sent a secret Executive Order to the Secretary of Defense and to the Director of the CIA to launch military operations against Syria and Iran.

The President may have started a new secret, informal war against Syria and Iran without the consent of Congress or any broad discussion with the country.

If this is true, we're in very big trouble. Or, if the rumor was sparked by an order 'only' authorizing clandestine operations (or, worse, bombardment) as a form of provocation, this is serious stuff. But even if it's not at all true in any way, we're in pretty big trouble, as the spread of this rumor means we've reached a point in our politics when sober, quite moderate, people like Steve Clemons are starting at shadows.
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this makes my stomache hurt, I even had trouble writing the subject line.

please somebodies stop the neo cons
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:50 AM
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1. why oh why
are there even such things as "secret executive orders" ???

no president should have the power to create a war in secret.
It's absurd.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:51 AM
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2. some here have been trying to tell people to WATCH
to keep an eye on bush he can't be trusted and a few critized saying we shouldn'd even be talking about this, war with Iran wouldn't happen, well............


Bush's Inconceivable Interest in Iran Sat Apr-01-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=819437

Senior U.S. Officials “Want to Hit Iran” Tue Apr-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=844418

Larisa Alexandrovna: CHENEY TAPS IRANIAN ARMS DEALER FOR IRAN TALKS Thu Apr-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=977234

Seymour Hersh said something startling about Rumsfeld on Democracy Now Fri Aug-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1936421

So former DLC, PNAC member Abram Shulsky feeding Cheney info on Iran?Sat Aug-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1944614

Fuck. Iran has started "war games." Escalation may only be expected.Sun Aug-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1949812

Attack on Iran is Coming Sun Aug-27-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1993284

"Grave threat". Yes, it's deja vu all over again. Thu Aug-31-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2022620

UN attacks US nuclear report on Iran erroneous misleading unsubstantiated Sun Sep-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2159951

We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now Tue Sep-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2168218

Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1 Mon Sep-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2161779

Pentagon Iran Office Mimics Former Iraq Office Wed Sep-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2179484

“This is the largest massing of military power in the region, and it is gathering for a reason.” Sat Nov-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2753952

Seymour Hersh: Cheney Says 'Whether Or Not Dems Win-NO STOPPING Military Option With Iran' Sun Nov-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2757350

Does anyone still believe the US will launch a full scale invasion of Iran? Mon Dec-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2856177

Saudi clerics rally support for Sunnis and Saudi ambassador Abruptly ResignsTue Dec-12-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2902643

Act III in a Tragedy of Many Parts - The US Occupation of Iraq Sun Dec-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2935498

Century Foundation Iran White Paper Series Fundamentalists, Pragmatists and the Rights of the Nation Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2948146

Oh shit Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2944423

Former CIA Officer Speculates on Folly of Attacking Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3067286

The Surge: 9,000 now, 10,000 on alert in Kuwait? WTF? (Iran bombing in the works?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3051862

Iranian missles & the US Navy in the Gulf
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3039044

CentCom Expected to Shift Focus to Threat From Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3057187

U.S. air strikes against Iran in 2007/08 as all-but-a-done deal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3044319

Second U.S. carrier group to deploy to Gulf: sources
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3037188

Iran could bloody our nose if Bush attacks. A look at Iranian missiles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3052957

Randi Rhodes - Cheney has sent orders to Stratcom - if terrorism, attack Iran...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3052573

George W. Bush Is Going To Bomb Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3022620

Could the surge be really oriented as a back up plan for Israel's attack on Iran?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3059883

The Time May Have Come - The Iran We Cannot Avoid - Michael Ledeen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3047465

Any hard evidence that 'the surge' is related to an attack on Iran?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3045865

Useful maps of Iran. Please post them here for reference.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=3059824
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:54 AM
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3. thanks for this listing, I had seen a similar list , reading this a.m.s news

but couldn't remember where or I would have included it in my post.

thanks again.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:57 AM
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5. your welcome, I have been waiting for something to happen
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 11:57 AM by seemslikeadream
:hi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that youve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
You hear one thing again and again
How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we cant even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 02:02 PM
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6. We've been over and over this for YEARS.
Do you know how many times this kind of sky-is-falling "war with Iran imminent" talk comes about? There have been at least a dozen times over the last three years when people around here went crazy out of their minds insisting that we were about to attack Iran, just like now. It never happened before, and chances are extremely good that it won't happen now. But every time the troop level increased in Iraq, or something happened over here, that didn't stop people from predicting it with absolute certainty. The last time was just before the election--remember that?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:56 AM
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4. We are stopping them, but, as the tired analogy of turning an
aircraft carrier teaches, it takes power, energy and time. There is a real danger that this misbegetten administration, in the name of a continuing war, may well ignite the world.

I say "may well," but I fear that we can depend on it.

The only solution, in the spirit of the tree of liberty's demand for blood, probably includes mobbing Washington by the millions. We may have to physically remove them from our house, although I hope an eviction order and the legal system will suffice.
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