HADLEY: "Once The Troops Get In Harm's Way, Congress Will Support Them..."

[kpete]

Bush's National Security Adviser: Once The Troops Get In Harm's Way, Congress Will Support Them...
The New York Times | JIM RUTENBERG and PATRICK HEALY | January 14, 2007 09:57 PM

From The New York Times:

Mr. Bush's National Security Adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, said in an interview on "Meet the Press" on NBC that the White House has sufficient money under its control to deploy the troops as planned, and he suggested that once the troops are in place, Congress would be reluctant to cut off funding.

"I think once they get in harm's way, Congress's tradition is to support those troops," Mr. Hadley said.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/washington/15troopscnd.html?ei=5094&en=ca5e605433444629&hp=&ex=1168837200&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1168833745-wmh230n+esdmGR3MiOzX2w
via:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/01/14/bushs-national-security-_n_38662.html

[silverweb]

1. So that's their plan.

Lie, sneak, and cheat, then smear anyone who gets in their way.

Bastards.

:grr:

I hope our Dems are paying close attention and are ready for when the attacks begin in earnest.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. It sounds like they're intentionally putting our boys at risk, knowing that

we can't walk away from protecting them. Damn, these people need to be prosecuted at once!

[silverweb]

12. Exactly.

They don't give one goddamn about our troops, only their own geopolitical objectives.

They're misusing and killing our troops exactly as that son of a bitch, Kissinger, did when he called them "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns.

And they know that they can always scream that Dems are "unpatriotic," "traitors," and "don't support our troops" if Congress cuts funding for this misbegotten debacle -- and probably get away with it thanks to their wholly-owned subsidiaries, the corporate media.

Another DUer, gratuitous, described this ploy in a post below better than I ever could: "'Yeah, we'll tip over that pot of chili; the Democrats, like the good little girls they are, will run for the paper towels.' Once they deliberately send those troops into harm's way, they're counting on the Democrats' basic, decent humanity to once again shield them from the consequences of their irresponsible actions."

That's exactly what the bastards are doing, deliberately and calculatedly. The whole rotten bunch of them need to be prosecuted and imprisoned for life.

I hate hating people, but this bunch deserves nothing else.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. This time it's got to be different for this reason: Halliburton!

We know because of the privatization scandal and war profiteering that all our money is being diverted, so we have a reason to say NO!

[silverweb]

31. Tell that to the media...

...and the American public. It has no "glitz." :(

[blogslut]

2. Wow

Just wow.

Keep throwing them balls, people! They can't juggle forever and I think somebody's dropped the banana.

[halobeam]

3. Man, they just "think out-loud" now.. this is the kind of thing you

don't say, if you are as lousy a shit to think it to begin with.

In your face "the way it is"...

[gratuitous]

8. They're so far out to lunch, this probably sounds reasonable

"Yeah, we'll tip over that pot of chili; the Democrats, like the good little girls they are, will run for the paper towels." Once they deliberately send those troops into harm's way, they're counting on the Democrats' basic, decent humanity to once again shield them from the consequences of their irresponsible actions.

[halobeam]

11. They will be TRULY shielded ... while back home in their own beds.

THATS THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.

Sorry for all the caps... just overtired and certainly emotional at this point. I've quite had it.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

4. K&R... geez these re-pukes are sick, sick, sick...

[mod mom]

5. DESPICABLE. rec'd so everyone reads this!

[sakabatou]

6. WTF?!

[babylonsister]

7. Like the troops there now aren't in harm's way? Stop the funding to get THE TROOPS OUT OF HARM'S

WAY!

[tularetom]

9. That seems awfully cynical

do something totally stupid and then expect support because your stupid action has endangered the lives of Americans. Wait a minute - I've just described the entire * administration foreign policy.

[KoKo]

13. Condi says they will be "in place" by Feb 1st. (In the Senate Hearings)

yet...we were told the troops would be "phased in" as the Iraqi's stood up...we would match them in phases.

They lie so much they can't even keep their lies sorted out anymore.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. The White House operates like an elite club?

Perhaps it could trade as a private company?

[young_at_heart]

15. We are truly living in The Twilight Zone!

I cannot fathom how they can think in such destructive ways....it's mind-boggling!

[Bobbie Jo]

16. New framing...Congress seeks to deny "reinforcements"

Can't cite a reference per se. I picked it up from one of the Sunday shows, but you can bet you'll hear it again.

[progressoid]

17. Jesus Christ, there it is - 22,500 political tools.

[Jack Rabbit]

18. Congress will support the troops

By cutting funding and impeaching the butchers.

[LostInAnomie]

19. I could have told you that was their plan...

... when I heard that the first troops were landing in Iraq the day of *'s speech. It was the ultimate sign of bad faith.

The investigations can't start soon enough.

[bonito]

20. Rightweb profile on Hadley

In mid-November 2004, President George W. Bush named Stephen Hadley, a foreign policy hawk closely associated with Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, as national security adviser, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Hadley, whose first post in the Bush administration was as Rice's deputy, was part of a loosely constituted group of foreign policy advisers known as the Vulcans who advised candidate Bush in 2000 and were at the core of his presidential transition team after taking office. Among the other Vulcans who later moved into the first Bush administration were Rice, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Colin Powell, Richard Perle, and Donald Rumsfeld. more
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1213

[moondust]

21. This is extortion.

Extort: To obtain from another by coercion or intimidation.

Coerce:
1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly.
3. To bring about by force or threat.

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Holy crap! Unreal! That's their plan to get Congress to continue to finance their

illegal war? :wow: Monsters, every last one of them! :mad:

[leesa]

23. It's been their MO all along. It's why this go-along-to get-along BS the

Democrats have been playing is disastrous.

[dogday]

24. So they are playing chicken with our troops

Daring the Democrats not to support them? Always using our troops for photo ops, for excuses, taking the rap on torture... This is just another way they use our sons and daughters...

[harveyw]

25. But no one will call them on this. Not one single MSM interviewer!

We observe these things only to be further frustrated because there are few if any journalists who will call them on this kind of heartless, elitest bull crap.

[radfringe]

27. reminds me of the Asimov story

reminds me of the Asimov story (see below)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaround

In 2015, Powell and Donovan and Robot SPD-13 (nicknamed "Speedy") are sent to restart operations at a mining station on Mercury that was abandoned ten years before. The photo-cell banks on their spaceship are broken and the only thing that can fix them is selenium. The nearest selenium pool is seventeen miles away, and since Speedy can withstand Mercury’s harsh temperature, Donovan sends him to get it. The astronauts become worried when they realize that Speedy has not returned after five hours. They use a more primitive robot to go to retrieve Speedy and try to analyze what happened to it. When they find Speedy, they "notice that Speedy’s gait included a peculiar rolling stagger, a noticeable side-to-side lurch" (Asimov 49). When the astronauts ask Speedy to come back with the selenium, Speedy starts saying things like, "Hot dog, let’s play games. You catch me and I catch you; no love can cut our knife in two" (Asimov 49) and quoting Gilbert and Sullivan. Speedy continues to show symptoms that, if he were a human, would be interpreted as drunkenness.

After a while, the astronauts figure out the cause of Speedy’s odd behavior. Powell realizes that the selenium source contains some sort of unexpected danger. Under normal circumstances, Speedy would observe Rule 2 ("a robot must obey orders"), but, because Speedy was so expensive to manufacture and "t’s not a thing to be lightly destroyed ... Rule 3 has been strengthened ... so that his allergy to danger is unusually high" (Asimov 51). Speedy cannot decide whether to obey Rule 2 or the now-equal-priority Rule 3, and has thus started acting inebriated.

Of course, the only thing that trumps both Rules 2 and 3 is Rule 1 ("a robot must not allow its human masters to come to harm"). Therefore, Powell decides to risk his life by going out in the heat; hopefully Rule 1 will force Speedy to save him and snap out of his drunken state. After some suspense, Speedy does so, and the team is able to fix the photo-cell banks.

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In reference to Hadley's statement: Congress is the robot and won't act until the troops are in danger...

[mmonk]

28. That's the plan.

Like the invasion itself. There's no reason to think their strategy won't work.

[Beelzebud]

29. So their plan is to hold the troops hostage, and demand a ransom?

[Norquist Nemesis]

30. Bush never says "War in Iraq". It is always "War on Terror"

Bush hasn't been on the same page with Congress since day one. He believes he is executing a Global War on Terror with Iraq being only one theatre. Words matter. In fact, I'm not sure that even the Bushetals have ever spoken the words "War in Iraq". Sure, they've answered questions from reporters about it, but the answers always are "The War on Terror".

The problem is Congress has never declared a "War on Terror". We hear Congress talk about it as well as the War in Iraq, but it hasn't dawned on them that Bush has been operating under a much broader view than what they intended with the legislation. It's the same with the American people; we've all been working within the framework of War in Iraq, War in Afghanistan, etc., treating them as separate. Bush has never been called on the carpet for this and Congress needs to make him accountable for disobeying the requirement of reporting to them "at least every 60 days on matters relevant to this resolution".

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

BTW, Daeschle and Lott orginally introduced legislation that was proposed by the WH. Here's the text of that one: (S.J.RES.45) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SJ00045:@@@D&summ2=m&

"SUMMARY AS OF:
9/26/2002--Introduced.
Further Resolution on Iraq - Authorizes the President to use all appropriate means, including force, to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolutions concerning Iraq, defend U.S. national security interests against the threat posed by Iraq, and restore international peace and security in the region." Note the wording of "international peace and security IN THE REGION."

THIS is what Bush is working under. It's illegal and Congress needs to reign him in ASAP!

[Rex]

32. Did you hear that, service men and women?

They WANT to put you in front of flying bullets because...Bush is crazy and hates all living things. Especially things that are more noble than he.

[jazzjunkysue]

33. I heard that, too. It's been the policy all along. When will congress stop

falling for it?

[maine_raptor]

34. Can someone please tell me something here?

If I break into the house of a bank president and hold his wifeand kids hostage, then call the guy at work, explain the situation to him and tell him to give me oodles of money or the wife and kids will get wacked; just how many crimes would I be guilty of?


Oh and one other thing: How is this different than what Hadley is saying?


Just trying to understand, ya know.

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. "FEAR will keep the outlying congressmen in line... fear of this battleplan!"

"The U.S. military is the most awesome destructive power in the universe... I SUGGEST WE USE IT."

"Do not be too proud of this technological terror you have created. The ability to destroy a country is insignificant next to the power of the Oil."

"Don't try to frighten me with your sorceror's ways, Lord Cheney. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not given you clairvoyance enough to conjure up the stolen al Quaeda tapes, or to identify the location of Osama bin Laden's rebel base..." urk!

"I find your lack of faith... disturbing."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Waving the flag and shouting "Support the Troops!" generally works.

It probably will this time...for a while.

Not to mention showing exciting videos of "smart" bombs and interviewing "heroic" pilots and having generals in camouflage leave their desks to look grim but give inspiring reports of victories. Throw in the obligatory "God Bless America" in a voice choked with sincerity and voila, instant "patriots".

Never fails.

[spanone]

37. All the more reason to FUND THE WITHDRAWAL.

Cheney & Bush* are counting on this scenario, that's why the troop are being rushed in.

[Solly Mack]

38. well duh - it's the exact same thinking when the US first invaded Iraq

that's how they thought then too...

once in..people would rally...regardless of how they felt prior to the invasion...

the Bush regime counted on that kind of thinking...and they still do