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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 07:30 AM
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Poll question: When will we officially attack Iran
We know that bu$h is hell bent on attacking Iran and expanding this war into a regional conflict.
For all we know, we may already be at war with Iran.

The question is How long before the official attack happens
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 07:36 AM
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1. I don't know
How do you predict what an insane pResident will do or when he'll do it?
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:13 AM
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2. You forgot Other. - already there/Cambodia n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:06 AM
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3. I hope all of you voting that I am an idiot are right
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:27 AM
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4. Me too.
I'd like to see the evidence we aren't if it is obvious.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:33 AM
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5. I don't think you're an idiot, but I'm voting that our attack won't be "official"
It won't be "Shock and Awe II." It probably won't be military. I'm thinking economic or covert and as plausibly deniable as they can muster. Despite their bravado up till now, the Bushies are sneaks and cowards. They are vindictive, but they compulsively hide everything. I don't know what they'll do to Iran, but I do know that they are effectively checked on direct military action. The siezure of Iranian papers and harrassing of their people in Iraq and all the sabre rattling you hear from the press is the barking of an angry, but totally fenced in, dog.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:55 AM
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6. Just found this site
seems alright (???) and interesting.

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2006/04/collapsing_iran.html

I liked this bit:

(snip)

The US military attack on Iran will, most certainly, be conducted with air power. The US has neither the available ground forces necessary to invade a large country like Iran, nor the appetite (given the experience of Iraq) to manage its aftermath. In contrast, airpower assets are plentiful and its employment offers a clean, seemingly low cost alternative to a ground invasion.

There are two major problems with deploying airpower. The first is that Iran has both dispersed and hardened its nuclear related facilities. This situation means that in order to guarantee the destruction of some of these facilities, a nuclear weapon must be used. This is not a viable option. The use of nuclear weapons in any form is an anathema to the world and most people within the US government, despite the ability to modify these weapons to reduce their size and fallout. As a result, it is highly probable that some of Iran's facilities will survive conventional air attack.

The second problem is equally as difficult. Most of the threat posed by the Iranian nuclear program isn’t contained in the facilities but in the knowledge of its engineers. This means that any destruction of facilities would only result in a short-term delay in development and a redoubled commitment by Iran to accomplish the task.
These problems indicate that the only way to truly realize a reversal in the Iranian program is regime change. Therefore the objective would be to remove the clerical regime from power -- it’s likely that merely a political reshuffle would be insufficient to ensure any meaningful reduction in the threat. Additionally, this is a real test of the Bush doctrine of pre-emption. Iran has clearly supported international terrorism and will soon be in a position to supply these groups with nuclear weapons.

To accomplish this regime change under the given restraints, the US will utilize a rapidly evolving method of air warfare called the “effects-based operation” (EBO). The EBO is a process that incapacitates a nation-state’s systems (typically critical infrastructure) and organizations to achieve desired strategic outcomes. In the past this has meant a combination of precision-guided munitions, special operations, and stealth technology to precisely target critical nodes in national infrastructures and systems. The destruction of these nodes, due to the power of network dependencies, will typically cause sustained system collapse (in much the same way a downed power line can cause a regional blackout, but in this case intentionally). A good real world example was seen in the first Gulf War. During that war, a US EBO shut down Iraq’s critical infrastructures to separate Saddam’s leadership cadre in its Baghdad bunkers from its army in Kuwait. It worked nearly as desired. With Iran, the effect desired would be much more complex: regime change.

In regards to its suitability as a target for an EBO, Iran is perfect -- it is both urbanized and its population relies on national networks vulnerable to disruption and manipulation. This means U.S. forces (no other nation can do this) would have the ability to use precise applications of force to break down Iran’s critical systems, eliminating critical nodes within its electricity, communications, transportation, military, and industrial systems. A nation-state that is subjected to this type of attack ceases all governmental and economic function. In sum, Iran would be “turned off” until the regime changes.

The US administration’s hopes for a regime change in Iran will draw from the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran will be torn apart from within. To accomplish this, the US will conduct the EBO under the pretense of forcing Iran to dismantle its entire nuclear program -- a condition that the Iranian regime will find impossible to accept. Simultaneous with the air campaign’s suppression of Iran’s minority Persian government, the US will arm and actively support ethnic guerrillas (Kurds, Balochs, Azeris, etc.) to turn sections of the country into autonomous zones. Without the ability to utilize any of the capabilities of conventional warfare (from airpower to armor to massed formations), let alone command forces in the field or marshal a nation for war, the Iranian government would eventually collapse and its successor will accede to the growing set of US demands. The final resolution of this conflict would include recognition of regional autonomous groups and shared oil revenues in addition to the primary aim: cessation of nuclear activity. In short, if this succeeds, Iran will cease to be a regional power or even what could be termed a cohesive, viable state.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 12:01 PM
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7. This picture is the US riding into Iran


Dr. Strangelove
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