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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:49 AM
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Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart
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Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."


Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw4d2Qfg7AY



http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/rfk.htm

Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening. Because...

I have some very sad news for all of you, and I think sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.

Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in.

For those of you who are black - considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible - you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.

We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization - black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.

For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.

But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond these rather difficult times.

My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."

What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.

(Interrupted by applause)

So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, yeah that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love - a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke. We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past. And we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.

But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.

(Interrupted by applause)

Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.

Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. Thank you very much. (Applause)

Robert F. Kennedy - April 4, 1968


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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:55 AM
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1. Thank you for this. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:59 AM
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2. Thank! you! Seemslikeadream. Have a good MLK Day!
Hare Krsna!
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:59 AM
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3. How often does one wonder how different we all would be....
if these men had not been cut down? They certainly stood up for what they believed and influenced many.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:31 AM
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12. we would still be the beacon of everything right, and other
countries would respect us, this is just disgusting how this country has reached such a low.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:03 AM
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4. RFK knew how Real Pain cracks the heart and makes one Human.
From there, Love is possible.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:04 AM
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5. I was in the navy when Robert was assinated and the person who woke me to relieve him
Edited on Mon Jan-15-07 10:04 AM by madokie
for watch duty said, you ain't going to believe this, I said they assinated Bobby didn't they, he said how did you know, I said I don't know and that I didn't even think before I spoke. I was in a deep sleep about the time he came to wake me.

Abraham, Martin and John with my old friend Bobby. Dion
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:05 AM
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6. If only they had not been taken from us so soon. nm
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:07 AM
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7. This makes me so sad
for what might have been and for what we have become.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:15 AM
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10. We are what we are because these, and other, people were who
they were. We engrave ourselves on one another and in the World.

Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:28 AM
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11. Let's not connect with them.
They are not us, we are not them, ever. The assassinaters and their greedy, lying ilk have no idea of how to become like King and Kennedy, this is why they kill.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:41 AM
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13. I was thinking about "the better angels of our nature" as proven by MLK
and JFK, RFK and countless others of like mind.

Those things are real whether "we" recognized them or not. We would be something else entirely if these people, these avatars - if you will, had not been who they "were".

Time is relative.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:52 AM
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14. I replied to countingbluecars.
I very much agree with what you said and are saying. I just wanted to un-stick countingbluecars from them, the ones who don't/can't get it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:15 AM
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15. Oh, I just thought I wasn't clear.
Thanks. :toast:

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:09 AM
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8. Way back when pols could extemporize nt
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 10:12 AM
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9. Oh how beautiful. And how tragic! These two fine
examples of human beings! Had they all lived...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 11:23 AM
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16. We used to have politicians would could speak like this, off the cuff, quoting Aeschylus.
Amazing. The core of King's message is that love is stronger than hate, justice is stronger than violence, and each of us is stronger than our own demons that seek to hold us back. On my worse days I try to remember this.
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