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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:47 PM
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Woman dies after Wii contest ( took part in 'hold your wee for a Wii' radio show competition)
Woman dies after Wii contest
28-year-old who took part in 'hold your wee for a Wii' radio show competition dies of likely water intoxication, reports AP


Mother-of-three Jennifer Strange was hoping to win one of Nintendo's next-gen consoles for her children. But the KDND 107.9 radio show contest she took part in had a tragic end when the woman was found dead in her Rancho Cordova, California, home.

Coroner Ed Smith, performing a preliminary investigation, found evidence that was "consistent with a water intoxication death."

The winner of the Wii game console was to be the person who managed to not go to the toilet for the longest amount of time, despite consuming large quantities of water. Contestants had to drink an eight-ounce bottle of water every 15 minutes--one quit after five bottles. In the later stages of the competition, the remaining entrants were given even bigger bottles to drink.

It is not yet clear how much water Ms Strange consumed. She told a colleague after the contest that she felt sick, and had a "really bad" headache. The woman was later found dead in her suburban home. It is not known if Ms Strange succeeded in winning the console.

A spokesperson for the radio station commented, "We are awaiting information that will help explain how this tragic event occurred."


Let me explain this "tragic event" then. Your wacky "Morning Rave" DJs fucking killed her, dumbass. I hope they bring manslaughter charges on the whole station management.

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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:50 PM
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How can they be so stupid to do a contest like that?
And who approved the contest?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:28 PM
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9. Remember:
All people are stupid in one way or another.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:14 PM
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**Update** - - - "Radio show off air after fatality"
The "Morning Rave" radio show -- which sponsored a water-drinking contest that preceded Friday's death of a Rancho Cordova mother of three -- will be taken off the air indefinitely, according to executives at The End (KDND, 107.9 FM).

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/108430.html

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:50 PM
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1. For some reason the movie "The Fisher King" comes to mind. -nt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:52 PM
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2. There was a country station in the DFW area that did a thing
where a passenger in the car would start taking their clothes off and they had to keep going until someone else in traffic spotted them and started honking. I heard it because a co-worker of mine always had that station on. I was always cringing, waiting to hear someone die live on the air in a car wreck. Ridiculous.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:52 PM
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3. Wasn't even that great a prize. Poor lady, and her poor kids!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:55 PM
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4. So sad. I really feel for the kids.
:evilfrown:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 12:59 PM
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5. I think I'd call Monk in on this one.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:00 PM
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6. It seems more and more that the US is at the shallow end of the gene pool.
:shrug:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:03 PM
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7. that is so sad, she was just trying to win for her kids--so young.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:21 PM
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8. Now their kids don't have a Wii or their mom...
gee, I wonder what's more important? :-(
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:35 PM
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10. All of the contestants had to sign waivers, so the question now
is whether the radio station can still be sued by the victim's family.

(This happened where I live and has been all over the news)

http://www.kcra.com/news/10759720/detail.html
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:46 PM
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14. Please sign here where it says, "If you kill me, I won't hold it against you."
Any decent lawyer will rip that to shreds.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:47 PM
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15. You can't legally give anyone else permission to murder you
This won't stand up. If it did, we'd get the right to assisted suicide immediately.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:06 PM
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44. Waivers won't mean a thing. No court will even consider honoring them. nt
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:31 PM
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51. From the legal experts I've been hearing on the news, it doesn't
sound as though the waiver means jack shit!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:38 PM
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11. Okay
What idiot thought this contest up and why didn't any physicians or other healthcare personnel speak up on this before something tragic happened?
It was inevitable. A cursory knowledge of the makeup of the human body should have stopped this contest in its tracks.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:48 PM
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16. That was my question..Who thinks up these contests?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:41 PM
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12. this girL wouLda stoLe the show in this contest
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 06:17 PM
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66. Hold your water Sybill!
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:31 PM
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86. I didn't understand that part of the movie
what was that whole thing all about? She was strapped to the piano and the mom kept yelling at her to hold her water.

Blue
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:56 PM
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98. Her mother gave her an enema
and made her hold it until she (the crazy ass mother) finished playing the piano.
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BlueStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:01 PM
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102. Oh ok, now I remember...
In the book she also filled the girl's bladder with water from the enema bottle and made her hold it. She also gave her laxatives as well. The mother, the crazy ass bitch would hold her up straight so that the cramps would be worse. How sick is that? How can these people be allowed to live.

And then there's David Pelzar's book, that was some insane shit he went through, and his brother went through the abuses after David left.

I think both mothers had shizophrenia, I didn't know the disease could make you do that to your own children.

Blue
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:45 PM
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13. Clear case of manslaughter
People have always used the poor and desperate for their amusement, treating them like trained animals in circuses, often requiring life threatening stunts in return for food or trinkets.

This is just another of them. I honestly thought the idiotic "Fear Factor" or the even more idiotic "Bumfights" would kill somebody first, but I guess ignorant and utterly witless shock jocks should have been on my list of potential killers.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:53 PM
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18. doesnt the woman have the ultimate responsibility? n/t
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:28 PM
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29. Not really, she wasn't aware of the danger, the station, on the other hand...
received a call from a nurse about the dangers of water intoxication, they laughed at her, and continued with the contest.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:02 PM
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42. Then they can't claim ignorance. I think the family has a case, or at least I hope so.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:52 PM
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63. No WAY.
I hadn't heard that part of the story. Oh, they are so fscked.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:28 PM
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30. If somebody his holding a contest doing something that you don't
know is dangergous, wouldn't you assume that they did know it wasn't dangergous?

She was a victim of her own, and more importantly, the station's ignorance of the danger of superhydration.

Would you expect her to recognise the danger in a country where everybody insists that everybody should drink 3/4 gallons of water daily, and where HS health classes only talk about venereal disease? Ignorance is presumed state.

Where's the responsibility? Well, would she have consumed water is such a fashion other than during this contest? clearly, no, therefore the responsibility lies with the station that encouraged the water poisoning.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:22 PM
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47. No more than if they'd put two glasses in front of her
filled with clear liquid, one with water and the other with a cyanide solution, and promised her a million bucks if she chose the water.

Reckless endangerment leading to death? Manslaughter. It doesn't matter that they were medically ignorant and so was the woman and the stunt killed her. We have a dead woman and a bunch of goofs who set up the conditions for her to be so.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:26 PM
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48. i dont agree. sorry. just isnt the way i think.
i protect a persons right to be stupid, with out our society deciding for another. i also believe in personal responsibility for ones stupidness.

may seem an odd way to see the world. but i gave the responsibility on the woman to best take care of herself.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:56 PM
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20. Yep. This reminds me of

the movie THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON'T THEY.

So does THE FEAR FACTOR.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:52 PM
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17. people will eat bugs to be on tv. as stupid as the radio show is, the woman
was the one to chose to do this. why would she do something so foolish? for a prize? because someone suggest she give it a try?

i cant blame the radio station more than the woman that did it, anyway.

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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:03 PM
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22. Yeah...you know, our local radio station had a "stooge" who was
a regular on the show. Well, the whole premise of the contest was that the guy eat every single thing on the breakfast menu at burger king in one sitting. That is a LOT of crap to be eating...every single variation of biscuit, muffin, croissant, and platter. The guy was slowing down, and the hosts of this morning show were just egging him on. It was horrifying. He sounded like he was in so much pain. Why didn't he just stop eating?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:14 PM
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25. i dont get it but we are all uniquely made. i have long ago walked beyond
doing what another tells me to do simply because???? well for any reasons. now.... if i want to get up and use a toilet i do. i dont care when or where i am, ultimately i just feel i have the right to pee, instead of wetting my pants. (airplanes telling me when i can use the jon, nu uh) but for anyone to partipate in a damaging contest for entertainment doesnt make sense to me. i would ever play. jsut who i am

i was watching a news show on an experiment. a "doctor" doing research would have a person ask someone they could not see, but hear, a question. if the person unseen got it wrong they would zap them with eletricity. the voltage went up. every time the unseen person would yell, ouch. finally the volunteer says stop, no more. people would pause and look at the doctor. the doctor would say continue. and so many would.

again, i volunteered to give the test. i am totally comfortable standing and walking out saying no way. many felt a need to continue because the doctor had "authority" over them. they gave the responsibility of the health for the other volunteer to the doctor, and did not take resposnibility for their own action of causing pain.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:35 PM
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33. The point is, if you don't know it is dangerous to begin with
and you have a valid (expensive prize) reason for continuing, you will do the damage before you know you are in trouble. She didn't die during the contest - she died at home, hours later. When she left the contest she felt 'queasy'.

Another poster says the station was warned that the contest was dangerous, so they had no excuse for continuing with it. You think she would have done this if the station had told her "and, by the way, this just might kill you"?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:41 PM
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37. Your analogy is a bad one...
While it is a useful thought experiment for showing the morality of "just following orders" it also makes no mistakes that you are harming another human being. This woman was participating in an activity that she thought was completely harmless, for, to most people, Water, outside of being inhaled, IS harmless. She wasn't a medical expert, and so wasn't expected to know about over hydration and the dangers of drinking too much water. The station itself was warned, she wasn't, and therefore it was their responsibility to at least warn the contestants about the dangers and stop the contest, they didn't.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:52 PM
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39. we just learned after i posted anyway there was a call from a nurse
were the contestents in the studio. did they have access to the calls. did they equally hear the call from the nurse. and did they laugh it off too.

we know only from the post the studio knew, and that is all the info we have. shifting blame from contestants to the studio. i dont know if she heard the call.

clarify for me....

second.... what goes in must come out. i dont know if thinking possible death,.... but i would surely think it unhealthy, damaging, not good for the body, not natural.

no.... there is no way i would do this for anyone. or any of the other stupid things people suggest we do.... that make no sense, that people do anyway.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:46 PM
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61. I don't really know anyone, even myself, who thinks of plain old water as dangerous...
in this way. Salt water, yes, unsanitary water, yes, and breathing it in, in quantity, is a bad idea too, we all know that, but, to be honest, this is the first time I ever heard of this danger. It makes sense, after the fact, that drinking too much water is bad for you, even that its fatal, but I wouldn't have even thought to even look it up when participating in a contest like this.

As far as the call and whether the contestants had access, I strongly doubt it, at least while the contest itself is taking place, they were most likely in a separate room, with the DJs commenting about the contest on air, and receiving calls.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:56 PM
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64. it was the first thought to my mind. hence my op in the thread. n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:56 PM
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19. In slight defense of the radio station, Inever would have thought anyone
could DIE from drinking too much water! Honestly, before hearing this, did you know that?

Iwould have thought the worst that would happen is that someone would pee their pants!
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:05 PM
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23. That reminds me of the unforgettable line
from the old WKRP in Cincinnatti

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could Fly.":nopity:
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:25 PM
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27. yes, it's a well known effect
Every year, frat boys end up hospitalized or dead from water drinking contests.

What makes this even worse is that, as the contest was going on, a nurse called the station and warned them that death was likely. They laughed her off. Because the station was warned, and refused to listen, they are completely at fault.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:44 PM
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93. My brothers used to have water drinking contests with me all the time..
"Drink as much water, as fast as you can, and the first one to throw up wins!"
Man I kicked their asses every time. When I was about twelve I realized they were just sipping theirs....
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:37 PM
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34. well, i knew about water intoxication
there was a frat hazing in the recent past where a guy died from this too.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:48 PM
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38. They were warned by a nurse, she was laughed at. So there goes that defense. n/t
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:28 PM
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49. Yes, I knew people could die from drinking too much water.
And when you run a radio station contest, you'd better make damn sure to cover all your bases. There is no excuse or defense for the station.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:44 PM
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73. Yes, although I only became aware of it recently...
I never would have thought anyone could DIE from drinking too much water! Honestly, before hearing this, did you know that?

Yes, although I only became aware of it fairly recently, via running magazines. Several people have died in marathons from drinking too much, because health authorities always emphasized drink, drink, drink, don't get dehydrated, and typically emphasize pure water rather than drinks with electrolytes. So someone who really took that advice to heart could die of electrolyte imbalance, and a significant number have. Running magazines have been trying to get the word out that both overhydration and dehydration are dangerous.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:43 PM
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89. A teacher told me that, it flushes your body of electralytes...
I think that you can drink as much gatorade as you want though because it has electrolytes in it. Although I'd imagine that all of the sugar would eventually make you puke.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:02 PM
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21. It's horribly sad . . .
. . . but I predict a winner for the 2007 Darwin award.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:06 PM
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24. The culpability rests with both
To say this women was coerced, forced or made to do this would then make it the station primary in responsibility...

Sure the station is accountable, but this ADULT made a choice and is primarily accountable.

Damn shame.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:38 PM
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35. Not if she didn't know it was dangerous.
Drinking water is not sky diving.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:11 PM
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91. I said there are levels of
accountability. Both are culpable, but I still hold individuals need to be accountable. She unfortunately paid the ultimate price. Now the radio station needs to lose their liscence and pay this woman's family a shit load of money.

Shame that a simple google would have given her the info to save her life.
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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:54 PM
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41. I disagree that the dead woman had primary accountability
The radio station had the responsibility to ensure that their contest was reasonably safe. It's not unreasonable to think that a contest holder has made an effort to ensure this.

I'm sure they didn't mean to kill anyone, but this was utterly irresponsible. It's not like the danger of too much water is a big secret. Had they done a simple Google search, such as "is drinking too much water dangerous" they would have known in less than 30 seconds.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:08 PM
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90. If it was that easy for the radio station to google it
don't you think the woman could have as well. I have known about this effect since high school.

Not to mention, there are syptoms. If I started feeling ill I would have taken a leak and sought medical attention.

But the radio station, as I said is responsible and there should be major consequences for them and should be sued.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:22 PM
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26. This is so tragic.
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 02:25 PM by Tatiana
<snip>

"If you put salty water on onion skin the cells will shrink, if you put too much water on it the cells will swell," he says.

This swelling is a problem in the brain.

"When the brain swells, it is inside a bony box so has nowhere to go," he says. "The pressure increases in the skull and you may get a headache. As the brain is squeezed it compresses vital regions regulating functions such as breathing."

Eventually these functions will be impaired and you are likely to stop breathing and die. Warning signs included confusion and headaches.

Symptoms would normally occur very soon after drinking the water, but if the gut is absorbing the water more slowly then it can take longer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6263029.stm

Obviously neither the woman, nor the radio station knew of water intoxication. This is a prime example of why our country needs to be better educated on health issues. That this woman killed herself for a Nintendo Wii console for her kids makes this situation even more sad. And people derided Oprah for commenting that kids in this country are too obsessed with gidgets like the iPOD. Maybe we should be looking at the parents who reinforce those ideals.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:25 PM
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28. Actually, a nurse called into the show and warned them about this...
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 02:26 PM by Solon
the DJs laughed at her. So the station can't claim ignorance.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:30 PM
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31. Unbelievable!
This is just so unbelievable that DJs or even the station wouldn't check the information out.

Those poor kids.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:54 PM
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40. Plus the fact a student died at CSUChico in a hazing water OD death 2 yrs ago
not far from RC and in the same news region (read the papers, radio dudes, duh)
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:31 PM
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52. Thank you.
I am from that news area... I remember that story so well. It was everywhere for days and days. Unbelievable that they laughed off that nurse.



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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:05 PM
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59. Ya'd think Entercom would have lawyers to check liability ahead of time?
:wow: :shrug:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #28
43. THAT is what I was talking about
I would be appalled if at least one healthcare provider didn't warn them of this.
The fact that they were warned makes this a serious liability on the station.
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:30 PM
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32. but the station did know
A nurse called them up during the contest and told them they needed to stop, that water intoxication could kill the contestants. They laughed the nurse off. This makes the station responsible. And even if they hadn't gotten a call, they need to be held accountable. Too many radio stations have been having idiotic contests without having them vetted by either legal teams or doctors. Of course, DJs can't know all the ramifications of their lamebrained ideas. That's why they need to float their ideas past less colorful people who actually bought a clue back when they were on sale.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 02:38 PM
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36. Problem is most radio stations hire the biggest f'in morons they can find
Even the ones touted as 'smart' on rock radio are some of the dumbest mof'ckas I've ever heard
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:15 PM
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45. phone call 'from a nurse' does not impact the station's culpability
If the woman who died could not be reasonably expected to have known the danger, neither could the contest organizers. A random phone call has no bearing at all. For all anyone knows, the "nurse" on the phone could have just been biding her time on air before shouting "BABA BOOEY!" and hanging up. The entire situation is tragic, but I don't see any justice in holding the station responsible - if anything, the person willfully suffering discomfort for a shiny toy owns 50+ percent of the responsibility for the outcome.

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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:21 PM
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46. I think one can reasonably expect a radio station won't ...
... ask you to kill yourself for a Wii.

The radio station employees were the clear authority in the situation - they came up with the contest, they made the rules, they had the prize, they were the judges of who won.

With authority comes responsibility, which was here clearly and sadly lacking.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:31 PM
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50. They are totally liable.nt
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. at that point, maybe the dj's should have contacted a medical
expert before continuing with the contest. A nurse called in, the laughed it off, and went ahead with the contest. I would think that the nurse calling would at the very least would have put a little 'ding' in their brains and they would do the responsible thing and check with a medical expert before starting the contest.




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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #45
70. Weirum v. RKO General, Inc. (1975) 15 Cal3d 40
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 07:55 PM by BullGooseLoony
http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/C3/15C3d40.htm

Not exactly the same case- this was an injury to a third party- but it's pretty darned similar. And binding in CA.

If the radio station had a duty to a third party, due to the risk they created, they surely had a duty to the person whom they were encouraging to drink water for God knows how long.

Think hazing rituals.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:36 PM
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54. Darwin's will be done.
Contests like this perform a valuable service by culling gullible and foolish members of the population and thereby reducing Republican voter turnout. I have no sympathy for people who do these idiotic stunts.
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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #54
94. Natural selection is a mindless process
It doesn't excuse us from feeling some sympathy for a young woman who was trying to provide a gift for her children.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:37 PM
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55. Why the hell does this remind me of the last scene in...
..."Confessions of a Dangerous Mind"?

Y'know, I came up with a new game show idea recently. It's called The Old Game. You got three old guys with loaded guns on stage They look back at their lives, see who they were, what they accomplished, how close they came to realizing their dreams. The winner is the one who doesn't blow his brains out.


He gets a refrigerator.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:42 PM
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56. Signing a waiver does not absolve the radio station of liability
There are common law rights you cannot sign away. If I was on that grand jury I would vote for negligent homicide.

And yes, i am a lawyer.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:51 PM
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57. At least people are rightly blaming the radio station, and not Nintendo.
Well, benchley DID get banned (good riddance!), so that makes sense.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 03:52 PM
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58. UPDATE: Morning radio show has been canceled while investigations happen
http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_016093304.html

Radio Show Off The Air After Deadly Contest
(CBS13) SACRAMENTO A major change to Sacramento's morning radio scene days after a woman died following a radio contest.

The general manager of 107.9 The End has canceled the Morning Rave show featuring DJ's Trish, Manny and Lukas along with Carter and Fester until after an internal investigation into a contest that ended in a death. The show would normally be heard from 5:30 a.m. to 10:00a.m.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 06:20 PM
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67. Update: Local Radio Station Fires 10 After Deadly Contest
Local Radio Station Fires 10 After Deadly Contest
107.9 The End Has Cancelled The Morning Rave Show

(CBS13) SACRAMENTO CBS13 has confirmed that 10 people have been fired from the Sacramento radio station, 107.9 The End, after a woman died following a station contest last weekend.

... at your same link... guess they have updated their story.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Update: New contest changed to who can do the most jumping jacks while holding razor blades...
...in their mouths. No one can die doing that.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:46 PM
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60. I don't get how neither of the contestants, nor anybody at the station, knew how dangerous this was
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 04:48 PM by Evoman
I mean...don't you get any science education at all? Don't you guys know about electrolyte balance and the effects of water on tissue. Every year people die from too much excercies (sweating out too many salts) and drinking too much water. Hell, what do you think sports drinks are for?

One of the problems here is the sheer ignorance of science in the population. I don't want to start a flame war, but you people that didn't know about water intoxication....why the hell don't you?!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. Well, I have to admit I would not have known if I had not been a long-distance cyclist.
But I would think that of all the people who worked at that radio station and were involved in the contest at least some of them should have known. And they certainly should have listened to the nurse that called in.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:15 AM
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96. You answered your own question.
Sheer ignorance of science. Lack of science education. To be educated, someone has to teach it to them. If they are not in a place or time to hear it, they remain ignorant.

Even those who know, may not know. I know about overhydration, but I don't know just how much in how short a time is dangerous. It's never been a factor for me because I tend the other way, and underhydrate - I've been long convinced that the "10 8oz glasses a day" is an invention of the bottled water companies.

The point is, the station was warned, and should have canceled the contest immediately. Failure to do so makes them liable.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:52 PM
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62. Why is it the radio stations responsibility?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. Kinda like if you dared someone to eat Baking Soda...
Pop Rocks, and Diet Pepsi all at the same time, yet failed to tell them that their stomachs will rupture if they do consume all that. They die, you go to jail, same should happen here.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. So if everybody jumped off a bridge...
would the people who jumped off the bridge first go to jail?
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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Not an appropriate analogy
If you saw someone jumping off a bridge, it would be obvious that it would be a lethal procedure and anybody who followed would be responsible.

In this case, the radio station organized the contest, provided a prize, presumably were responsible for judging who won. They were the authority at the contest. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that those responsible for the contest had taken some simple steps to assure that the action they were encouraging wasn't dangerous.

Taking part in this contest was probably foolish - organizing it without first making sure it was safe is criminal. IMO of course.

If you host a party, you are responsible for making sure your guests don't drink and drive. It's your party and you're in charge. Authority brings responsibility.

It's incredibly irresponsible for this radio station to not have a procedure in place for vetting contests for this sort of danger.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Hmm.
So, if I dared somebody to do something dangerous. And that person was stupid enough to do it, and he got killed, I'd be responsible?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. Only if THEY didn't know it was dangerous...
get it yet? Doesn't matter that YOU know that such actions are dangerous, if the person actually DOING those actions doesn't know they are dangerous, then you ARE culpable.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. "get it yet?"
No.

Can you prove the woman didn't know it was dangerous?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:20 PM
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83. She participated in the contest, didn't she?
I don't understand the question, most people were SURPRISED that any fatality took place as a result of the contest, yet you seem to think that she magically knew more than the rest and had a suicide wish or something.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Sure.
And people do dangerous stuff all the time. Look at the kids who imitate Jackass and get themselves killed.

" I don't understand the question, most people were SURPRISED that any fatality took place as a result of the contest"

Yeah, I bet the DJs were too.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. You are comparing apples and oranges here...
Unless you think drinking water is just as dangerous, obviously dangerous, as jumping off a 2 story building into a pool.

Also, the DJs lost the whole "Plausible Deniability" argument when that nurse called them to warn them of the danger, they ignored her, and being organizers of the contest, were under an obligation to actually research the danger, they didn't, hence their responsibility.
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liberalEd Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #77
85. the setup was evidence the act wasn't dangerous
This isn't a buddy daring you to chug a bottle of whiskey. It's an organized contest. It's reasonable to assume the station isn't being negligent. They probably had a waiver to sign, with would lend additional credence to their ability to run contests that don't kill people.

A host is, and should be, responsible to take reasonable care of his guests. Both analogies you gave assume both parties are peers. This is clearly not the case here. The radio station hosted the contest and they should have checked that they weren't asking the contestants to do things that would endanger their lives.

Their negligence cost a family dearly. Children will grow up without their mother.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. No, those that organized such a contest, blindfolded the contestants...
and told them it was a simple ledge in an obstacle course would be the first going to jail.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Why add the blindfold?
The woman knew she would be drinking large amounts of water.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. She didn't know it was dangerous, the station knew, and laughed at the danger...
but she was ignorant, as most reasonable people would be, that's a blindfold of sorts, isn't it?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 06:33 PM
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68. Radio station fires 10 in wake of contestant's death
http://www.sacbee.com/102/story/108566.html

Ten employees of The End (KDND, 107.9 FM) were fired Tuesday and the "Morning Rave" morning radio show has been cancelled in wake of a water-drinking contest Friday that left a Rancho Cordova woman ill hours before she died, apparently of water intoxication.

<snip>

Monday afternoon, a spokesman for the radio station said that the station had suspended the morning show pending an internal investigation.

The show's disc jockeys - who go by the names Trish, Maney and Lukas - and morning personalities Carter and Fester would not be heard on the radio until the investigation ended, the station said. A spokesman said Tuesday that he could not reveal which 10 employees had been dismissed. However, the "Morning Rave" link on the station's Web site was missing Tuesday afternoon. The myspace.com social networking site for the station no longer listed morning DJs Trish, Lukas or Maney as its "friends."

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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 11:42 PM
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95. They dumped the DJ's from their MySpace? Harsh.
Seriously all people involve were idiots. I'm quite sure the death the Chico State student was well covered in the Sacremento Bee and on local and Sacremento TV news.

The real problem is the as a nation we have developed a callous disregard for the feelings of others. We ignore the people around us who might say they are queasy or feeling ill. We are supposed to "tough it out" and do whatever is asked of us anyway.

Here in Chico this attitude results in the deaths of a few college age kids every year. The typical scenario is that a group of kids encourages somebody to engage in risk taking behavior and discounts the resulting feelings of distress. The kid either repeats the idiot behavior until death results or is left to go off in a corner and die.

We are a sick nation.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:48 PM
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74. STUPID contest
someone dies because most likely the real point of the thing was just to have people end up peeing their pants so they could make fun of them. x(
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:05 PM
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76. Crappy Top 40 station anyway.
I have no empathy for the manslaughtering dumbasses.
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EdwardM Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:37 PM
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88. This is what the "Fear Factor" culture has gotten us.
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 09:39 PM by EdwardM
People like these stupid shows where people get humilated for money. They are stupid and insult the human race. I have never and will never watch one. As long as they keep running these contests where people keep having to do dangerous things for money and prizes, People will die or get injured like this from time to time. People, quit watching this shit, it is nothing more than humilation for money. While I cannot support manslaughter charges on the DJ who did this because I am a social libertarian, I wish corporations would quit doing this shit. I think gameshows like Jeopardy and Win Ben Stein's money (I know many people hate Ben Stein here, but he is a funny man despite his politics) are much better than this kind of garbage because they don't play to the bottom of the barrel.
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oOMarijneOo Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:31 PM
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92. They should've done some research..
Too much water causes the internal organs and brain to swell which probobly explained the headaches, thinking about that makes my head hurt. I had no idea she was a parent, the fact she was doing that as a present for her kids makes the story even more upsetting.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:21 AM
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97. We've got a sadistic, frog torturing, coat hanger pledge branding frat asshole in the White House.
If people getting blowjobs was Clinton's fault, I think it's reasonable to say Bush should get responsibility for this.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:12 PM
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99. I just posted story from Sac Bee - they were talking about
the danger, the kid in Chico who died and the nurses call on the air. They knew!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3139191
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:23 PM
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100. Assholes. Why didn't they check w/a doc first?
And ask about any possible danger with ingesting huge quantites of water?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:29 PM
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101. what is sad
is that these idiots ran it by management I am sure. And since it happened they approved it yet I am sure none of these managers will be fired. And most likely the idiot DJ's will end up on Sirius or XM or something like that and continue on with the idiot stunts...:argh:
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