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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:25 PM
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Poll question: Would you support the Virginia Slavery Apology resolution?
If you were a Virginia resident or legislator, would you support and/or vote for this bill?


SJ332: Involuntary servitude of Africans;
General Assembly to atone therefor and call for reconciliation.

SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 332
Offered January 10, 2007
Prefiled January 3, 2007

Atoning for the involuntary servitude of Africans and calling for reconciliation among all Virginians.
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Patron-- Marsh
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Referred to Committee on Rules
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WHEREAS, slavery has been documented as a worldwide practice since antiquity, dating back to 3500 B.C. in ancient Mesopotamia; and

WHEREAS, during the course of the infamous Atlantic slave trade, millions of Africans became involuntary immigrants to the New World, and the first African slaves in the North American colonies were brought to Jamestown, in 1619; and

WHEREAS, the Atlantic slave trade was a lucrative enterprise, and African slaves, a prized commodity to support the economic base of plantations in the colonies, were traded for tropical products, manufactured goods, sugar, molasses, and other merchandise; and

WHEREAS, some African captives resisted enslavement by fleeing from slave forts on the West African coast and others mutinied aboard slave trading vessels, cast themselves into the Atlantic Ocean, or risked the cruel retaliation of their masters by running away to seek freedom; and

WHEREAS, although the United States outlawed the transatlantic slave trade in 1808, the domestic slave trade in the colonies and illegal importation continued for several decades; and

WHEREAS, slavery, or the "Peculiar Institution," in the United States resembled no other form of involuntary servitude, as Africans were captured and sold at auction as chattel, like inanimate property or animals; and

WHEREAS, to prime Africans for slavery, the ethos of the Africans was shattered, they were brutalized, humiliated, dehumanized, and subjected to the indignity of being stripped of their names and heritage, and families were disassembled as husbands and wives, mothers and daughters, and fathers and sons were sold into slavery apart from one another; and

WHEREAS, a series of complex colonial laws were enacted to relegate the status of Africans and their descendants to slavery, in spite of their loyalty, dedication, and service to the country, including heroic and distinguished service in the Civil War; and

WHEREAS, the system of slavery had become entrenched in American history and the social fabric, and the issue of enslaved Africans had to be addressed as a national issue, contributing to the Civil War from 1861 to 1865 and the passage of the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery and involuntary servitude on December 18, 1865; and

WHEREAS, after emancipation from 246 years of slavery, African Americans soon saw the political, social, and economic gains they made during Reconstruction dissipated by virulent and rabid racism, lynchings, disenfranchisement of African-American voters, Black Codes designed to reimpose the subordination of African Americans, and Jim Crow laws that instituted a rigid system of de jure segregation in virtually all areas of life and that lasted until the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act; and

WHEREAS, throughout their existence in America and even in the decades after the Civil Rights Movement, African Americans have found the struggle to overcome the bitter legacy of slavery long and arduous, and for many African Americans the scars left behind are unbearable, haunting their psyches and clouding their vision of the future and of America's many attributes; and

WHEREAS, acknowledgment of the crimes and persecution visited upon other peoples during World War II is embraced lest the world forget, yet the very mention of the broken promise of "40 acres and a mule" to former slaves or of the existence of racism today evokes denial from many quarters of any responsibility for the centuries of legally sanctioned deprivation of African Americans of their endowed rights or for contemporary policies that perpetuate the status quo; and

WHEREAS, in 2003, during a trip to Goree Island, Senegal, a former slave port, President George W. Bush stated, "Slavery is one of the greatest crimes of history, and its legacy still vexes the United States ... Small men took on the powers and airs of tyrants and masters. Years of unpunished brutality and bullying and rape produced a dullness and hardness of conscience. Christian men and women became blind to the clearest commands of their faith and added hypocrisy to injustice. While physical slavery is dead, the legacy is alive. My nation's journey toward justice has not been easy, and it is not over. For racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation ... and many of the issues that still trouble America have roots in the bitter experience of other times ... But however long the journey, our destiny is set: liberty and justice for all"; and

WHEREAS, in the Commonwealth, home to the first African slaves, the vestiges of slavery are ever before African American citizens, from the overt racism of hate groups to the subtle racism encountered when requesting health care, transacting business, buying a home, seeking quality public education and college admission, and enduring pretextual traffic stops and other indignities; and

WHEREAS, European and African nations have apologized for their roles in what history calls the worst holocaust of humankind, the Atlantic Slave Trade, and racial reconciliation is impossible without some acknowledgment of the moral and legal injustices perpetrated upon African Americans; and

WHEREAS, an apology for centuries of brutal dehumanization and injustices cannot erase the past, but confession of the wrongs can speed racial healing and reconciliation and help African American and white citizens confront the ghosts of their collective pasts together; and

WHEREAS, the story of the enslavement of Africans and their descendants, the human carnage, and the dehumanizing atrocities committed during slavery should not be purged from Virginia's history or discounted; moreover, the faith, perseverance, hope, and endless triumphs of African Americans and their significant contributions to the development of this Commonwealth and the nation should be embraced, celebrated, and retold for generations to come; and

WHEREAS, the perpetual pain, distrust, and bitterness of many African Americans could be assuaged and the principles espoused by the Founding Fathers would be affirmed, and great strides toward unifying all Virginians and inspiring the nation to acquiesce might be accomplished, if on the eve of the commemoration of the 400th anniversary of the first permanent English settlement in the New World, the Commonwealth acknowledged and atoned for its pivotal role in the slavery of Africans; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED by the Senate, the House of Delegates concurring, That the General Assembly hereby atone for the involuntary servitude of Africans and call for reconciliation among all Virginians; and, be it

RESOLVED FURTHER, That the Clerk of the Senate transmit a copy of this resolution to the Secretary of the Commonwealth, the Secretary of Education, the Superintendent of Public Instruction, the Executive Director of the State Council of Higher Education, the Chancellor of the Virginia Community College System, and the Executive Director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, Virginia State Chapter, requesting that they further disseminate copies of this resolution to their respective constituents so that they may be apprised of the sense of the General Assembly of Virginia in this matter.


(Heh. Isn't the quote by Shrub a nice touch?)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:39 PM
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1. I'm not from Virginia,
but some of my ancestors came from there. As far as I have been able to discover, none owned slaves. But I realize the shattering impact slavery has had on the national psyche, and see this step of atonement as a way to heal our nation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:41 PM
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2. Whereas
The African slaves are primarily responsible for the economic success of the agrarian economy of Virginia and the United States, and

Whereas, the denial of the ramifications of slavery has perpetuated the oppression of peoples of color, by the United States, around the globe;

or something like that...
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:46 PM
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5. "denial of the ramifications of slavery"
EXACTLY. That entire sentence is very well put.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:44 PM
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3. I am a descendant of Virginia slaveholders...
I unequivocally endorse it, and believe it is long past time for it.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:10 PM
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11. ditto--as a native Virginian I think
it is appropriate for VA to officially acknowledge the societal crime of slavery and offer apology, coinciding with the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown settlement. I'm glad they included the references to the Herculean struggles that African-Americans faced long after Emancipation, even though they quoted Boosh 43 in doing so. That makes it relevant to the present day, rather than just a nice gesture.

I can't imagine anyone really objecting to this, but I'm sure there are some who might. If objection is based on a reason other than minor technicalities, please speak up.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:49 PM
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23. Ditto, descended from both slave owners and Quakers who opposed
slavery - thank God that we landed closest to the Quakers.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:46 PM
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4. Nope.
No need for me to elaborate in this thread, and mess it all up.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:53 PM
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7. That's fine, I am mostly interested in the poll results,
but I wish you would actually respond to some of my points in your thread instead of simply blowing me off. I believe I and many others in the original thread have pretty well refuted your statement that "From the moment you were born, slavery has had no effect on your life" and you simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that that statement is entirely false, and we have proven it false.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:55 PM
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8. If slavery isn't a big deal any more...
why all the resistance towards an apology?
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:48 PM
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6. I don't know whether I would
If I were a Virginia resident I dont' know. My family immigrated after slavery, as did many Americans. Yet that isn't what troubles me. I am an American now, by birth and choice, and I choose to be both representative of America now, and also responsible for America not just in the future, but in the past.

No, my question would be what legal ramifications this sort of apology has. If it's just a "hey sorry, my bad." on the part of Virginia with not other ramifications then I see no reason not to support it. My only worry before voting blindly on it, is whether it would open the state up to any additional unreasonable lawsuits, or other legal problems.

If it's free and clear of that, I worry that it would be used as a brush off. "hey, no problem. Virginia apologized. Isn't that enough for 'you' people?"

I'd be happier if the apology was tied to a bill vastly expanding educational funding to majority black and urban school districts, as well as increased social programs to low income families to encourage whole-family education and activities.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:23 PM
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17. No, if you read the resolution..
in my opinion, it doesn't open up to any discussions about reparations, and actually quotes Il Chimpo and his atoning speech in Senegal.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:09 PM
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10. Yeah, be sure and let us know when you become as talented as
Michael Jordan and/or Oprah Winfrey. :eyes:
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:10 PM
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12. Yeah, be sure and let us know when you become as talented as
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 07:11 PM by Bunny
Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey. :eyes:

Edit - I was going to delete this because it's a dupe, but I think my point needs to be made twice, so I'm just going to leave it alone.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:19 PM
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15. Affirmative actions works to ensure school and government dollars
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 07:21 PM by applegrove
make it to all parts of the USA. Someone who is black is much more likely to share in the results their school placement with the AA community. We limit the number of plastic surgeons..vs. GPs, why not place numbers on how the education/government job pie is carved up.

Remember that all the business in the USA benefit from rail and truck subsidies on highways and railroads. All Americans subsidize those business owners..the trucks really tear up the highways much faster than cars..so why should there be subsidies for healthy business situation and none for African American situation? Don't we want healthy cities and communities? Are businesses more important than actual people? Nope..they are just different communities that overlap in places. But both should be encouraged and subsidized...be it with tax dollars to build highways again and again or quotas. It is the same thing.

The anti Affirmative Action **** is just one more wedge that appeals to baser instincts of GOP base.

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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:20 PM
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16. well..
I'm not really sure how to take your comment.
It sounds as if you resent them for their success.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:48 PM
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22. It's not their success he resents.
Well, not just their success.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:14 PM
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13. I would probably abstain from the voting.
I don't believe that this is a valid issue. I think the current state of poor Americans is a national humiliation, and every minute spent on meaningless resolutions such as these is a minute not spent on wages, education, and healthcare.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:15 PM
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14. Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone with this thought. -nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:33 PM
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18. They're already pouring a lot of money into the 400th...
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 07:33 PM by Virginia Dare
Anniversary commemoration, and this resolution is put into that context. A small but very symbolic gesture. By the way, compared to the other tripe and drivel that comes out of that body, this is very meaningful. Those asshats don't give a shit about the poor, wages, education or healthcare unfortunately.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:39 PM
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19. Reasons why I voted "yes"
Not because "my peasant ancestors never owned a pot to piss in much less a slave so I don't personally owe anyone an apology."

This is an apology from an a social institution. An institution that spans multiple generations and transcends whatever individuals it currently represents. That institution was guilty of condoning legal slavery, a great moral wrong. The apology simply means this institution is acknowledging the wrong that was committed.

If the U.S. government ever offers an official apology for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, even if it's a hundred years from now, I would hope those citizens of the future wouldn't object to such an acknowledgement on the grounds they had nothing personally to do with it.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:46 PM
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21. good point
those of us watching this Iraq "mistake" would probably like to think that someday, even if it happens after we all are gone, our descendants might have what it takes to make amends. They would certainly speak for me.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:42 PM
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20. I think an apology is called for and would support
a reasonable apology. What I just read was a bunch of bloviation.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:51 PM
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24. I thought it
surprizingly good for Virginia. Bloviation is the style in Legislatures, isn't it?

How would you put it?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:11 PM
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26. Shorter and sweeter.....
I'm not much one for all the whereases.....it somehow takes away from the sincerity of the whole thing. But, for VA I guess it wasn't too bad.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:41 PM
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27. Read any proclamations lately?
Ye old "whereas" is pretty much par for the course for this kind of thing. When I served on a platform and resolutions committee they were all over the place. :P
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:52 AM
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28. Did you read the resolution on the 400th Anniversary Commemoration?
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 08:52 AM by Virginia Dare
Oh my, it was filled with all sorts of glorifications of the christian white man. This resolution is a good juxtaposition to that. Highly appropriate.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 11:21 PM
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33. I think I'm just pissed off at Virginia in general right now.
Too damn conservative for me, but it's home, so what's a girl to do?

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bluewave Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:54 PM
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25. Seems pretty meaningless
They'll say "oops, sorry" and go back to business as usual. I wonder if this is any consolation to the slaves hanged by a meat hook through the ribs and left to die?

I think this is a feel-good waste of time.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:05 AM
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30. but *all* resolutions are like that
All resolutions could be thought of as feel-good wastes of time. That's what makes them different from legislative bills.

But a resolution that apologizes for slavery is much less a "waste of time" than a resolution congratulating the state beer-league softball champions, or what have you. At least, that's how I look at it.

This resolution won't solve urban poverty or give anyone better access to college, but it's an important step for a former slave state to take.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:55 AM
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29. Hell yes, why not? It is all true what is said there. nt
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:39 AM
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31. I think it's silly and vacuous but largely harmless.

It's a purely symbolic and meaningless gesture that won't actually change anything except possibly pissing off a few people, but I think it's capacity to do harm is limited.

If the Virginian assembly don't have anything worthwhile to do with their time then by all means let them pass it.

It doesn't do anything to increase my respect for its supporters, though, and it's no substitute for trying to effect meaningful social change through e.g. more progressive taxation and more spending on education.
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:41 AM
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32. Sometimes nations do incredibly good things
and we commemorate and celebrate it. And, sometimes nations do incredibly bad things and there should be some type of atonement for the wrongs. Let Virginia make their apology. Obviously, they feel guilty for some reason :sarcasm:. The way some DUers are reacting to the apology, you would thing they were being asked to apologize for the lynching of Black people during slavery and Jim Crow. As a Black person in America and a former resident of Virgina, I could give a rat's ass about an apology for slavery because it won't change a thing. If things are going to change, people in this country have to STOP.BEING.RACIST. Just stop. Hate is a choice. People choose to hate. I as a Black, female, atheist who resides the Deep South (damn, I scream OPPRESS ME, VICTIMIZE ME, don't I? Well, at least I'm straight, and not Irish.) But, I digress. I don't choose to be a victim of that hate. I choose not to be ridiculed, insulted, assaulted, have a cross burned in my yard or have a deer head stuffed in my mailbox because I'm the closest "nigger" around. But racist choose to do those things. I can't pursue my inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness if barriers placed either overtly or covertly are put up at every turn to prevent me from having success, equal rights and opportunities simply because of the shade of my skin. Just stop choosing to hate.

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