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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:54 PM
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Alberto Gonzales should not only be impeached, he should be disbarred.
Found this little gem on "The Daily Kos"


Impeach Gonzales
by mcjoan
Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 12:22:18 PM PST

A reader transcribed this exchange concerning habeas corpus from today's Senate Judiciary Committee hearings no official transcript yet:

Specter: Now wait a minute, wait a minute. The Constitution says you can't take it away except in the case of invasion or rebellion. Doesn't that mean you have the right of habeas corpus?

Gonzales: I meant by that comment that the Constitution doesn't say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn't say that. It simply says that the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended.


Article I, Section 9:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Alberto Gonzales should not only be impeached for his willfully obtuse interpretations of the Constitution, he should be disbarred.


Best. Statement. Today.







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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:56 PM
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1. I agree with you
I can't figure out how he passed his Constitution Test in High School (in Illinois it was a requirement for graduation), much less the Texas Bar.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:41 PM
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22. I will second that -- and HE is in charge of protecting Civil Right for All Americans!?!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 03:58 PM
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2. What he said makes no sense.
More of that "bobbing and weaving."
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:00 PM
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3. THEN can we turn him over to Iraq for hanging?
Impeaching and disbarring, while pleasant and necessary, are somehow inadequate to the crimes.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:03 PM
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4. I've been saying that for two days now.
Nixon was disbarred. It's had precedence.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:04 PM
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5. I've got to try that line of argument when I'm pulled over by the police
"You see, officer, the law doesn't say that every individual in the United States or every citizen should be ticketed. It simply says that traffic laws should be obeyed."

That shit doesn't fly in the "real" world, Gonzales.

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:13 PM
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7. Ha! Good one. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:05 PM
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6. and sent to prison
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loveandlight Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:16 PM
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8. AG too clever for himself
The man is too clever for himself, I believe, and will get himself in deep trouble now that the Democrats can have real hearings and ask probing questions. It is quite clear that he chooses to interpret the Constitution unconstitutionally because he has been allowed to do that all this time. When challenged, it will become clear and his game will be up. I use the word "chooses" on purpose, because I would bet he does understand just how unconstitutional he is being. He just doesn't care, in fact, he probably revels in the way he has been able to get over on everyone, making up interpretations that allow his inept and thieving bosses to get away with whatever they want. Just like a mob boss has his lawyers to get him out of trouble, so runs our government right now, with all our appointed officials working hard to cover up or hide the illegal activities of the pretender in office. Please please let them be exposed and this nightmare come to an end!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:17 PM
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9. well if that isn't clear enough for speedy, what's his problem
w/ the 6th Amendment?

'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.'

(emphasis added)

Seems specific to me. I understand he has a problem w/ it though.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:22 PM
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13. Well, you answered your own question there --
"the accused"

So if you just grab someone and throw him in Gitmo and DON'T ACCUSE THEM OF ANYTHING you're good to go. They have no right to habeas, and are accused of nothing, so therefore you can do anything you want with them. If you do it to a lot of people, you even avoid the "cruel and unusual punishment" thing, by being cruel, but not at all unusual.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:17 PM
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Now THIS i find scary --
"the Constitution doesn't say that every individual in the United States or every citizen has or is assured the right of habeas corpus"

"...or every citizen..."

What's good gor Gitmo is good for the rest of us.

And the repukes were insisting that the restriction on habeas applied only to foreign nationals and illegal combatants.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:17 PM
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10. Gonzo-boy got his ass handed to him today by leahy over torture....
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:00 PM
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18. hard to tell. the sheethill has no shame gene.
but, from everything I've read, he needs a shoulder bag to carry his ass around. Or, he needs the same surgery as Castro.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:18 PM
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11. Gonzalez and Rice are seperately being investigated so the best is yet to come...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:20 PM
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12.  . .. and sent to the home for retired neoconservatives . . .
along with the other principle authors of the torture memos.



United Nations Prison, The Hague
The Home for Retired Neoconservatives

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:41 PM
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14. I thought the home for retired neoconservatives . . .
...was the Fox News studio.

By the way, has anyone seen or heard from Rummy lately?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:44 PM
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15. I don't suppose Rummy is planning a vacation in Germany, do you?
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:58 PM
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17. Funny! But don't you worry about
Rummy. It's only a matter of time before he gets his own radio talk show or shows up as a distinguished talking head on, as you say, Faux News. That place is over run with people who failed up. Dubya will probably land there at some point. Stumbling and bumbling his way through some rants with Hannity or O'Reilly. He'll be the performing monkey (who was the president!) for the attack dogs and the Faux viewers will be so impressed.
I almost (almost) feel sorry for the people who watch that wretched network.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:23 PM
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20. Not able to wrestle that emotion up
People who watch Faux "News" are willfully ignorant.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 04:54 PM
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16. Then tried for treason and sentenced to life in prison
That is if the USA really cares about silly notions like "law".
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:01 PM
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19. He should be whisked off in the dead of night, rendered to some
overseas hellhole for awhile, denied council, not charged, held indefinitely in a legal limbo.

See how HE likes it.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 05:24 PM
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21. List of Dems who called for Gonzales to step down:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:11 PM
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23. I am a Dem...do I count?
put me down for calling for his resignation.

Oh you mean elected Dems?

I'm waiting, because this little Gonzo man is a BIG problem.
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