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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 08:55 PM
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If cutting off funding is political suicide,
then sending 21,500 more soldiers to die or kill is accessory to murder!

Where are our leaders?

Are there only cowards and war profiteers in DC?

Impeach NOW



by david
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:00 PM
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1. The last time they did that, we got 30 years of republican rule. that is why.
Not to be callous because I hate this war and I hate these soliders dying for lies and needlessly.
I see the body count and cry.
But, the dems are very wary. They are now coming back and ending a long repug rule. We are finally breathing fresh air.
When they did this in vietnam, they were backed up in this and then got stabbed in the back by the people. They made them pay the price for what the people wanted them to do.
I want this war done with but, I also cannot take another long depressing rule under the repugs. Rock and a hard place.
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brazos121200 Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:15 PM
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2. You are absolutely right! By 1968 the Vietman war was very
unpopular with the vast majority of the people. But since the war had grown big under a Democratic President, Lyndon Johnson, the voters elected a Republican that year to fix the war. The war rocked on for four more years, and in 1972 the Democrats finally nominated a fully pro peace candidate, George McGovern. In the general election that year he received only 39% of the vote and Nixon was re-elected overwhelmingly. It took the Democrats thirty years to recover from that debacle, and really in some respects it still has not done so.
Because of the glut of republican presidents over the last thirty years or so, the Supreme court now has only two members who were appointed by a Democratic President. It has been getting more and more extreme rightist all these years.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:14 PM
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3. Between Iraq and a hard place is right.
The political realities which often contain bait and traps are transparent to most of us.
The prospect of being "too successful" wherein one can stand upon principle and achieve, perhaps, one victory, then that very success isolates one from the resources that one needs for further success.

As a side note, I am always surprised at the ferocity of term limiters in that their zeal for exerting ethical control by term limiting seems to blind them to the fact that, in lieu of a conscience, the only throttle we may have over potential damage may well be the prospect of firing the wayward politico.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:23 PM
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5. We got Republican rule because Jimmy Carter was faced with a horrible set of circumstances
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 10:24 PM by Hippo_Tron
That would've ended pretty much ended any President's career. Had Desert One worked, Reagan would've gone back to acting in B rate movies and the Republicans would've gone back to the drawing board.

Vietnam and Nixon did not bring in the neocons. Reagan did.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:12 AM
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8. Carter was sold to the Iranians for anti-tank missiles.
By George Bush the first and his CIA cronies. Those same CIA cronies pushed both Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin to prominince.

The GOP has held a stranglehold on the presidency through repeated acts of treason the the corporate media refuses to report.

Nixon, Iran-Contra, Reagan's declining mental condition, the savings and loan scandal, the stolen "elections" of George W. and now the illegal Iraq war promoted by repeated lies told to Congress and the american people.

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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:19 PM
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4. The answers are:
1) Sticking their political fingers in the air while running for President.

2) Mostly, yes.

When it comes to the tough stuff - meet the left side, same as the right side.

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"
-Johnny Rotten-
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:24 PM
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6. Good answer
:hi:
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:26 PM
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7. Right back at'cha
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 10:27 PM by DancingBear
Wish I could be there with you this weekend.

Keep the faith, and kick whichever ass needs to be kicked - political party be damned. :)
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:15 AM
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9. Yeah, the crazy drunk guy no longer gets to drive. Party's over when someone kills the baby. - n/t
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