"We" take over their countries, "we" rape their women & use them as bait,

[bloom]

"we" kill their children, "we" torture and lock up innocent men, "we" threaten and intimidate, "we" destroy their historic treasures, "we" destroy their homes, their jobs, their lives, "we" bomb wedding receptions, "we" destroy towns, "we" drop chemical weapons, "we" destroy their hospitals, "we" kill their journalists, "we" build military bases for ourselves, "we" write their laws,

"we" mock their God....


What's next?

[Hatalles]

1. Good post.

All this "they" / "them" business on DU is very disturbing.

[FreedomAngel82]

2. And it's so sad

:cry:

[LynnTheDem]

3. Next? Executions at Gitmo. Complete stifling of dissent in the US.

Hell, just read any good non-US history book on fascism to see where we've been, where we now are, & where we're going.

[oblivious]

4. Next, we compare them to Hitler.

[Erika]

5. Just a note

Not in my name. The "we" should be qualified.

Excellent posts here.

[cali]

6. Much as I deplore

the war in Iraq, your post is both one sided and over the top. Where are we raping their women? What American newspaper has published the offensive cartoons? And much as I sympathize with the anger over the mockery, the response (which I grant you was merely triggered by the cartoons) is out of control.

[Erika]

8. These exceptions noted are highlighted in every Arab paper

"We" have been accused and found guilty of all these charges even though they are the exceptions (I hope) in our troops behavior and our war tactics.

It is important that we know what the Arabs are told about us and how we are perceived.

[Twist_U_Up]

12. I have pics

Im not sure if I should post though.

[bloom]

13. This is widely posted:

"In its May 10-17 issue, the Newsweek said that yet-unreleased Abu Gharib abuse photos "include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles."


There are many accounts. It seems that the US mainstream corporate media may have scrubbed them - for the most part.

[Twist_U_Up]

15. nope/well I have 5 pics

they are on a Jerusalem website with 5 pics of a rape with what looks like American Forces along with other pics from the torture at abu garahb

[Erika]

21. Show them here and everywhere, including the NY Times

We have to stop this insanity.

[genie_weenie]

38. So, there is no doubt these pics are authentic?

Propaganda anyone? The cry of the invader is "Raping our Women" has been used in every god damn war! We NAzi forces were evacuating Belgium, one of their best weapons was to tell Belgian villages the godless Americans are going to rape them to death.

And check the source, Alot of Muslim websites have posted false pictures of what the American Crusaders have been doing to the poor penitent Muslims in Iraq.

It's also well documented that Saudi clerics and Imams routniely lie to Muslims worldwide concerning American atrocities to get muslims to cross into Iraq to fight.

In fact the lies of these Saudi Clerics are almost as bad as the Resident of America...

[bloom]

16. New York Sun publishes two of the cartoons

The American newspaper New York Sun publishes two of the cartoons - Feb. 2

per Wikipedia.

Plus they are obviously all over the web.


Also Michelle Malkin was saying the LATimes was going to run them - they may have thought better of it. She has been egging them on.

See:

IN SEARCH OF A BRAVE AMERICAN NEWSPAPER (UPDATED)
By Michelle Malkin · February 02, 2006 10:02 AM


-------------


This whole thing has been the neocons wet dream. I noticed where they were trying to encourage more people to create more cartoons of Mohammed. People who do that should know - that is just what the neocons want. That and lots of riots.

And the bombing of Iran.

[Karenina]

26. Context is everything, Cali

It's the same dynamic one sees daily in the U.S. Racism is about power. Arabs have been under the jackboot of Western powers for over a century. If you're old enough to remember Popeye, think of how often Bluto was portrayed as an evil Arab. THAT was in the 50's (a time when the U.S. was busily overthrowing more potentially progressive governments). The hatred of Western values is rooted in the history and actions of those powers in the region.

U.S. troops are not only raping women. Children have been used as target practice. Abu Ghraib is just the tip of the iceberg. The HORROR of what they are doing DAILY will only become clear to you in retrospect, if at all, when your soldiers return to your streets in large numbers.

The "over the top" response was a bullseye. The intent is to manufacture consent for a wider genocide by framing the issue as a "clash of civilisations."

[cali]

28. Absolutely, context is important

And there's no doubt that much of what you said its true, but it's not that simple, or black and white. It's rare that anything is. And I have a deep distrust of that paradigm of thought.

[Karenina]

32. Please say more...

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

What I see is that we're ALL being set-up; Westerners having their bigotry appealed to framed as a "free speech" issue, Arab fundies by clerics seeking to maintain influence and spearhead retribution... WHAT A MESS!

So I'm left asking, Who benefits? Where does the money trail lead?

[cali]

34. Cui bono?

Indeed. But it's not all about money. Again, it's not that simple. It's as much about delusional visions of "the best of all possible worlds". It's about control.

I completely agree that westerners are having their bigotry appealed to under the guise of free speech, and sadly an awful lot of DUers are falling eagerly into the trap.

[Karenina]

35. Money=control

Have a look at this from Deepak Chopra:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/terrorisms-little-secret_b_15058.html

Related thread in Editorials:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x188925

I'd be interested in your take on his perspective.

[entanglement]

7. Kicked and rec'd

n/t

[Name removed]

9. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Erika]

10. The U.S. is just waking up from W's propaganda now

and reviewing the world as it really is. A very dangerous place with Christian and Muslim fanatics both trying to egg each other on for the glory of Armageddon.

[fooj]

11. Hell, we RAPE our own women.

:cry:

[Mabus]

14. I just (re) posted this information earlier tonight

U.S. female soldiers being raped by U.S. troops. posted by Jara sang the other day:

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/31584 /

Appalling new evidence reveals that female soldiers serving in Iraq made fatal decisions in their attempts to avoid rape.

In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.

Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.

***

[laheina]

17. Now that's shocking.

And very, very sad.

[Erika]

20. A war that is started on lies and deceptions

cannot have positive results. Yes, very sad.

[Hoping4Change]

18. Don't put me into that "we". Speak for yourself.

:wtf:

[annabanana]

31. the little DU "we" is working very hard

to get the big American "we" to CUT IT OUT.

But until the little "we" is successful, "WE" are guilty.

[Hoping4Change]

37. You're totally wrong because you're playing into the hands of fanatics.

Do you not realize that all fanatics to achieve their goals want to destroy the sense of the individual. For instance Hitler was able to do what he did because he successfully created the belief that Jews were not individuals and therefore not really human.

And not only did he destroy the sense that Jews were individuals but he was successful in making Germans believe that the German state and its goals was of ultimate importance and that individual Germans were there simply a means to an end. So if you want to standup against any tyranny, stand up as an individual and don't let anyone lump you in as part of a group.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. We earn their emnity for the next thousand years. nt

[NMMNG]

22. And "we" call it establishing democracy

Isn't that the biggest hypocrisy of all?

[leftofthedial]

23. We we we

all the way home

I wish

[Bucky]

24. "We" get their oil. I thought you understood that already

[radwriter0555]

25. "WE" didn't. The republicans en masse did. I personally opposed all this

crap since before bush stole the office of the president, so please, no offense, I don't stand with the "we". I firmly seperate myself from the masses.

But I see what yer sayin.

[leftchick]

27. well it keeps the never ending terra war going

and profits for the evildoers in charge.

[spooked]

29. What's next? "We" got it coming to us

And to think it was all done in the name of "national security". We're in trouble now.

[Karenina]

36. Karma kickback on its way.

;-)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. You just listed all the "traditional American values".

Anyone vaguely familiar with our bloodstained, racist, colonialist, history will be all to familiar with the list.

[lpbk2713]

33. That's what "compassionate conservatism" is all about .....

If they could do it to our own people in New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast, they sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to do it to the rest of the world.