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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:02 PM
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Bush Admin: Diabetes Research Not Necessary
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 01:02 PM by berni_mccoy
Bush's latest budget proposal would leave those who are at risk from and who have diabetes to fend for themselves. At a time when science is so close to a cure, EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH, EVERY YEAR, EVERY DOLLAR MATTERS for those whose lives are SHORTENED AN AVERAGE OF 15-20 years due to complications that result from the disease.

This will be the second cut to funding Diabetes Research in TWO YEARS.

I have a personal stake in this: my son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes last year.

The American Diabetes Association Responds to the Bush Administration (http://www.diabetes.org/diabetesnewsarticle.jsp?storyId=11421339&filename=20060207/ADA200602071139319970945EDIT.xml):

Alexandria, VA (February 6, 2006) ? The President, Medicine & Science, American Diabetes Association, Robert A. Rizza, MD of the Mayo Clinic and Foundation, issued the following statement in response to the Bush Administration's proposed budget, announced today, which would cut diabetes research and prevention at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Under the Administration's budget proposal, funding for the National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) ? an NIH research division ? would be funded at $11 million less than last year. Additionally, funding for chronic disease prevention at the CDC would be funded at $819 million, a $20 million reduction from last year. This would dramatically weaken the efforts of the CDC's Division of Diabetes Translation, which runs state-based Diabetes Prevention and Control Programs that help those suffering from diabetes better control and manage the disease and help those at risk prevent or delay its onset.
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Diabetes is one of this nation's most prevalent, debilitating, deadly and costly diseases. The CDC recently estimated that 20.8 million Americans live with diabetes, meaning that there are approximately 47,816 people living with diabetes in every Congressional District. One in three Americans ? and one in two minorities ? born in 2000 will develop diabetes in their lifetime, according to the CDC. The cost of diabetes in America in 2002 was at least $132 billion.



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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:04 PM
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1. Hmm...maybe the freeper diabetic
in my office would change her tune if she saw this.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:05 PM
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2. Maybe she WILL change her mind
WHEN you show her this!!!!!

Just drop the article on her desk.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:17 PM
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12. Hey, just ask her if she got caught in the
discontinuation by Lily of 4 insulins. Two of them are very commonly used...L and UL

Rather than the $32/vial for L that I'm now paying (no insurance) the only alternatives I've been given are $90/vial and more. Novolin still makes L but their quality control doesn't seem to be as good and we had serious problems with it.

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:05 PM
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3. I think I read recently that most diabetics...
are ethnic minorities (Native Am. and Black).

They don't vote Repuke.

This is really a sleazy way to treat sick people!
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:11 PM
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9. Latin Americans, also.
Any people, as a matter of fact, who have bad dietary and health habits. Compound that with restricted access to medical care, and you have the makings of an epidemic of diabetes and its consequences.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:18 PM
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22. Please don't blame victims of diabetes for their disease
It is a genetic disease, not a disease of "choice" which you imply when you write "people...who have...bad dietary and health habits."

http://www.diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:46 PM
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28. There is no implication of "blame" in my post.
Both Type 2 diabetes and its consequences have been correlated with obesity. The consequences of diabetes are exacerbated by poor eating habits, poor health habits, and lack of medical care. That's fact. Research and education about Type 2 is, in my view, as important as research and education about Type 1, especially since Type 2 occurs much more frequently and is occuring in children in increasing frequency.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:28 PM
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23. There are two forms of diabetes:
The form you are talking of, type-2 diabetes, or Adult Onset Diabetes, is partly genetic. And some people, even though they have good eating habits and exercise can get type-2 due to metabolic reasons. People with type 2 diabetes become resistent to their own insulin to a point where the body can't make enough to keep up.

The other form, which is just as much an epidemic is type 1 diabetes, or juveniel diabetes. This is part genetic and part environment (unknown factor). It is an autoimune disorder where the immune system destroys the insulin producing cells of the pancrease. The change is permanent and there is no cure yet. The cure being worked on is two-fold: 1. Modify the immune system or the insulin producing cells so the immune system does not destroy them and 2. regrow or replace the insulin producing cells of the pancrease. Researchers are VERY CLOSE to a cure. This is the worst time to be cutting funding for research in this disease. It could literally mean my son will die at age 55 due to one of the many devastating complications from the disease instead of the average age of 70-75.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:39 PM
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27. Sorry to read about your son.
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 06:40 PM by MrMonk
My focus was on Type 2, because, according to everything I've read on the subject, the incidence of this type is rapidly rising. I haven't read the same thing about Type 1. Although any person may get Type 2, it's occurrence correlates with obesity. Poor eating habits, poor health habits and lack of access to medical care are also correlated with higher incidences of the various adverse health effects. The more I read on the subject, the more concerned I become, especially since the incidence of Type 2 seems to be increasing at younger and younger ages.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:26 PM
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30. losing weight makes controlling type 2 easier, but obesity isn't a cause
Poor eating habits, poor health, and obesity makes it harder for a diabetic to control his or her blood sugar, but obesity isn't the cause of type 1 or type 2.

One person I knew who jogged every day, never drank soft drinks..only fruit juice and water. This person never touched candy, alcohol, cigarettes and always avoided fast food. Then his vision started getting blurry, he quickly began to lose weight, and he always had to pee. After a few weeks he began to look like a walking skeleton, then he saw a doctor and discovered he had diabetes. This person was my cousin.

Another person..he was slightly overweight, he was a black belt in karate, and he hiked the entire Appalachian Trail. Then we learned he had type 2 diabetis...he was my grandfather. Unlike my cousin he didn't have to pay to take four shots of insulin a day. After losing some weight and taking some pills his blood sugar was under control. My cousin goes through hell...he keeps his blood sugar levels tightly controlled, but has suffered through some terrible insulin reactions as a result!

Poor eating habits are bad, but they do not cause diabetes. Usually type 1 diabetes is caused when the immune system suddenly attack the insulin producing cells of the body. Only insulin shots can help those with type 1 diabetes. In type 2 diabetes the body produces insulin that is unable to break down the sugar in blood, and requires a low sugar diet along with medication which partly corrects this flaw with the insulin. Obesity makes blood sugar levels harder to control for diabetes, but losing weight is not cure..and obesity is not the cause of diabetes.

Diabetes research is one of the best investments our government can make. Cutting diabetes research will only result in more problems and expense for us all in the future.



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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:57 AM
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34. Well, considering americans are getting fatter and fatter-by
all accounts, it's not a good time to be cutting diabetes research budget, is it?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:06 PM
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4. Anyone know if there any disease in the Bush family?
We all know they've got corruption... I mean stuff that federal money is needed to do research on.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:33 PM
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17. Graves Disease, I think
Mama Bear Bush has it.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:49 PM
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19. Poppy Doc has it, too n/t
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:07 PM
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5. I'm married to a type 1 and I'll join your outrage
sorry sack of shit
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:09 PM
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6. It is all about money
How many of Bush and repug parties main donors would lose if this was cured. 10s of Billions.....

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:10 PM
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7. oh no you've got it all wrong
as long as there isn't a cure, pharma will be there to sell you a pill, potion, or powder for your chronic condition.

This is just another "gimme". The other side of the "cost" of diabetes is the profit made from diabetes, and he would rather people are high premium pays on risk pool policies, pay out the ass while they're alive, and die just before they need social security. Look, another trifecta.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:11 PM
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8. several Senators
and congressmen have Children who are diabetics...including Orin (sp?) Hatch. This won't stand. But then maybe it will.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:16 PM
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10. Ok-so a 50 y/o diabetic should call him/herself a 600-month old fetus.
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 01:16 PM by formerrepuke
...just for example. that way, everyone can be included in the 'culture of life.'
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:17 PM
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11. NYT did a series about a month ago about diabetes in America
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 01:18 PM by MrMonk
One fact that stayed with me was that, diabetes may justifiably be considered as the third-leading cause of death in the U.S., after coronary disease and cancer, because it underlies many afflictions that are the direct cause of death.

I would link to the articles, but they are only available to subscribers.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:18 PM
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13. I have a freeper friend who is type I and you know I sent him this as
soon as I spied it. He is a fanatical bush supporter - I imagine he will have some snotty comeback as he usually does though.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:20 PM
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14. His brother, Marvin, has ulcerative colitis and had his colon removed
so I guess as long as you can afford the best health care - government funding isn't needed to find cures.

Unless you're wealthy enough to pay for it - you don't matter.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:21 PM
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15. Just like cutting stem cell research funding.
All of the cuts in funding and the prevention of stem cell research funding are a means to prevent a CURE, which benefits the pharmaceutical and medical industries. Billions of dollars are made by these industries off of diabetes treatment and complications from diabetes. It's a golden goose they cannot afford to lose, which would happen if diabetes was cured.

Think about it people, health care has become a business, and it's all about making money instead of curing people. REPUBLICANS are representing and working for the pharmaceutical and medical industries, instead of even considering the health and welfare of the 'We The People.'
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:30 PM
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16. Bush, "Only the beautiful and strong" will live.
Sick and ugly people will be rounded up and exterminated.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:48 PM
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18. If that were the case, Bonzo and Pickles would be goners
They look like a couple of fright masks in the making.
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Craig3410 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:49 PM
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20. Congradufuckinglations, assholes.
I think this is reason #34,562 for me to hate them...
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:15 PM
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21. kicking - EOM
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:30 PM
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24. The pharmas make big-ass money from the drugs sold to Americans.
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 02:31 PM by HypnoToad
It's about time they chipped in more and we, the paying public, less.

No more "government subsidies".

No more "price hikes", we already know prices for drugs in America are insanely high.

I'm outraged too. Such research benefits everybody. But never forget, there's no profit in a cure.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:35 PM
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26. Fearless Leader pandering to his base again.
love them drug companies, mah bread and butter.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:55 AM
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33. You are talking about apples and oranges.
NIH budget is going to be cut. It's federal money. The pharmaceutical companies have nothing to do with it.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:33 PM
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25. Thanks for the link.
I forwarded it to my sister, a type 1 diabetic.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:47 PM
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29. Hubby is type 2
with many complications:
insulin dependence
kidney failure (now on dialysis)
congestive heart failure
He is 58.

Those who would cut funding to research a cure/repair for this horrid diease are lowly vermin. There is no other polite word I can use. :mad:
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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:19 AM
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31. I'll keep that in mind
every time I give myself another fucking injection
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:27 AM
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32. The money for all types of research are going to be cut,
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 10:30 AM by lizzy
Diabetes, cancer, heart disease-if Bush has his way. Apparently, we can only worry about death from terrorism. Otherwise, we should have no problem of dying from natural causes-such as diabetes. Just like people in NOLA shouldn't have been worried about dying from a natural disaster-it was not a terrorist attack, after all.
Bush couldn't spend more money on bombs to fix it.

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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:54 PM
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35. "Then They Came for the Diabetics..."
This is all part of the increasing refusal of Republican-controlled government to do anything to help people, to respond to any crisis or other problem, or to feel any need as rich people and their representatives to even make a social contribution at all. There is not only much less Federal research, etc., but a much higher portion of the budget goes strictly to wasteful subsidies for corporations, which they do nothing to deserve and do not "pay back" with any kind of societal behavior. Further, there is no President's Commision on Physical Fitness anymore, they are cutting Community Block Grants which are used to pay for programs, many of which involve educating people on how to manage their diseases, improve their diets, and etc.--so it just everything now. These are the latter stages of a process started by that bastard Reagan, and continued by Clinton and the corporate lobbyists of "D"LC, Inc.

There was a thread on this forum, just locked, called "The DLC member list! REMEMBER IT! COPY IT! NEVER FORGET IT!" by in_cog_ni_to which contained a reply by poster SOS, (#58, Tues. Feb. 7, 11:32AM), excerpting a really interesting linked-article that explains a lot, and that I think everybody should become clearer on, especially as this process is now becoming a threat to us all: http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060213&s=faux , an article called "The Party of Davos" by Jeff Faux. The poster quoted the part about Clinton's bizarre impostion of NAFTA and GATT after lying to people with campaign slogans that indicated a pro-middle class, pro-worker agenda (remember "Reagan for Jobs" from 1980?), how it cost the Democrats the Congress, and how they have never recovered, as people do not want the extremist, global-rich, corporate lobbyist agenda of "D"LC, Inc. The article refers to many connections between these people, and how so many of these destructive deregulations, etc., are the result of these connections. One point has gone largely unnoticed, but it is killing us now. At the bottom of page 2 of the print, there is this description of NAFTA, and how it overrides government and civic law. "It sets up secret panels, rife with conflict of interest, to judge disputes from which there is no appeal. It makes vitually all nonmilitary government services subject to privatization and systematically undercuts the public sector's ability to regulate business." It quoted many people who referred to NAFTA's origins as the "legislation" of a global-investment social club, benefiting itself, and freeing its money for quick and easy movement. Other articles and threads also clarify "D"LC's role as corporate lobbyists for their sponsors, explaining their strange Floor votes, etc.

This is the point: "...makes virtually all...government services subject to privatization," or commercialization, the more accurate word. They tried to kill Social Security and make it a commercially-brokered pot of money, and were stopped; they commercialized drug coverage and made people sign up with corporations that have no intention of helping them, and they have no recourse, because it is now a corporate system (why they even call this scam "Medicare" perplexes me--it has nothing to do with Medicare; it is a corporate project); and now they try, over and over again, to cut people's access to the Courts when they have been injured, by the scam of inventing a "trust fund" which they claim will "cover everybody" but which they will not fund suffiently. Every single act these neo-cons do is the same: kill a Government agency or program, and either commercialize it (with no restrictions) or make a single pot of money which, when it is gone...

This is getting more and more nightmarish all the time--they are not funding anything, no matter the consequences, there is no public service to government anymore, only a set of corporate interrelationships, taking all tax money, and now our access to complain about all these things or even make them public, has been killed by a now-hostile, even treasonous corporate media.

My Mom had diabetes, and I took care of her when she was very sick, then dying. For a disease as common as diabetes still to be blamed on the supposed behavior of those who get it, is weird, but I know that when my Mom was a kid and had hypoglycemia, an ordinary condition, the treatment given her by her doctor was to eat a lot of sugar, to "raise it." As incredible as it seems, that was the lack of understanding then, and my Mom got diabetes (because of family history) from that terrible advice. It was not her fault, and there are also a few other family members with it, none of whom were overweight at all. Diabetes is a horrible thing, it has to be constantly monitored, much has to be learned, to balance units of different kinds of foods consumed, as against exercise gotten, etc. Sometimes strange things happened--I know for a fact that my Mom, if the sugar got high, cut back on food, had very little, tested later, and it would be over 400! She would worry, "But I haven't eaten anything all day." The complications with insulin or Humulin not working after they had for a while, doses needing to be changed, etc., etc., go on and on and on, and need to be learned about to keep monitoring it all.

I know that diabetics are very angry that not a goddamned thing has been done since the invention of insulin shots, I think 1921. Although you hear about new progress (the Edmonton Protocols, and possible transplants that will someday introduce a healthy system and actually "shut off" the diabetes in the body), nothing major ever happens, and people suffer, pay, and witness no progress. My Mom eventually lost kidney function and had to have dialysis at the end for several months. A while after she died, a Republican Congress killed the funding for a program we would have used--Medicare funding for home visits by a nurse who would help the person in the home, so they could go on living there. It would now no longer be covered. Signing it, killing the program, was Bill Clinton. I never understood it, until learning more about the global corporate investor class that is killing us all, and how they are Republican and "D"LC, Inc., alike.

God bless anyone who has diabetes; I know how you live (but not how you feel) from my Mom.
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