MTP--show devoted to domestic spying and presidental powers.

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. Daschle--we were briefed but not far less than what is known today.

[rodeodance]

2. says objections were raised and both Pelosi and Rockerfeller have

voiced there concern.

[rodeodance]

3. Roberts-I knew exactly what was going on. and did not have concerns.

[rodeodance]

4. Roberts is just a horn of the WH.

[Ovett]

5. No one can agree on the facts

Pat Roberts has one set of facts, and Daschle has another set of facts.

Roberts says FISA incapable of dealing with new technology and surveilace requirements, Dem Congresswoman says no its perfectly capable and was amended to deal specifically with the new requirements.

??????????

[EFerrari]

9. Amended five times, in fact. nt

[rodeodance]

6. 'the Pres. disclosed the fact of its existance"---Rep. Harman--after story

in Ny times.

[rodeodance]

7. she does not agree with the 'gang of 8" approach to briefings. GOOD>

[rodeodance]

8. both dems and rupukes very duped by cheney in these past briefings.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Did you hear when she criticized Cheney?

When Russert pointed out that Cheney said we can't trust Congress to not talk? She said that's funny considering Cheney's chief of staff has been arrested and the administration is being investigated.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. Loved the statement and I am glad she was able to get the

point across that the leaks that are being investigated came from the administration and not Congress. I don't think very many people have made that connection.

[rodeodance]

49. great--good for her.

[Dr. Jones]

10. excellent -

and telling. But Pat Roberts should get his head out of his butt.

[Emit]

20. I think that's a permanent condition of Robert's n/t

[Blue_Roses]

11. what's with Pat Robertson and his "memory pills"

that he held up? What was that all about:shrug: He is such a megaphone for the Bush administration. He isn't even worth listening to.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Oh man I wish we could vote him out

He is such a frigging embarrassment.

[Blue_Roses]

33. he couldn't even reply to the question

he was dumbfounded.

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. He forgot his memory pills!

[Dr. Jones]

16. The repugs always enjoy

a good cheesy prop to try to make their point. You know, kinda like how Bush likes to have Iraqi women plants in the audience so that they can praise him for bringing "freedom" to Iraq while they stick up their purple stained finger.

[Sydnie]

19. And Powell had his tube of anthrax!

Cheesy props describes it exactly. Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Dr. Jones]

29. Thanks!!

:hi:

[Dr. Jones]

46. Oh that reminds me of ANOTHER HUGE POINT...

They described the time after September 11 where Bush wrote Congress that he wanted power WITHIN THE UNITED STATES to do whatever he wanted to do, making this country a de-facto dictatorial fascist regime. Daschle rejected the WH's assertions and rejected the WH's new wording. It was RIGHT AROUND THIS TIME that Daschle received a nice little Anthrax package in the mail.

Coincidence??

[tinfoilinfor2005]

30. Let's all send Roberts some bottles of TRUTH PILLS

since he is so big into carrying medicine with him. It would be so great if his office was swamped with thousands of bottles. :)

[rodeodance]

36. te he. Be careful thoug--they will be conviscated and you will be on a li

st!

[Dr. Jones]

14. Important point...

This is CRITICAL and should be researched.

Bush claims FISA is from 1978 and is therefore old and obsolete. However, one of the panel members (a Democrat from CA, forget her name!) said amendments to FISA have indeed been made after 9/11, including extending the time limitation to go to the courts from 24 hours to 72 hours. I think she said that FISA was also amended 8 times in the Patriot Act.

Bush's assertion therefore is FALSE and HYPED, just like everything else that man says. He claims it's an old law and it doesn't have much value in 2006, yet HE IS THE ONE who forced several amendments of it since 9/11!!

Do I smell IMPEACHMENT??

[Sydnie]

23. was it Harmon thats said that? n/t

[Dr. Jones]

37. I believe so...

well-spoken petite lady with well-done blondish hair...

[Stephanie]

50. Yes it was Harmon

[Scout1071]

69. Exactly. And if the President has the authority to disregard

the FISA laws (and the Constitution for that matter), why does he need the Patriot Act at all?


And welcome to DU Dr. Jones!

[rodeodance]

15. crap--there goes Roberts again-saying delays may lead to an attach.

[Emit]

40. Sorry, I had to leave the room at that point

it just pisses me off so much.

[Dr. Jones]

52. But it's such a LIE!

They can wiretap IMMEDIATELY and THEN go to the FISA courts up to 72 hours later. WHY do they persist in claiming it takes too long and we HAVE TO break the law and wiretap without court warrants?

[MoonRiver]

78. Because these outrageous lies are ALL they have left.

They sound like blithering idiots repeating the lies like mantras while Russert, Daschle and Harmon are confronting them with the truth, AS THEY SPEAK. But they are totally desperate. LIE=GOP.
:mad:

Welcome to DU Dr. Jones! (I often forget to check post numbers and have to add my welcome later.) :blush: Anyway, :hi:!!!

[liveoaktx]

17. Later on today, MSNBC will have a downloadable podcast (audio)

of the whole program and netcast

[rodeodance]

18. and here comes the other R. talking point--the force resolution gave Jr

the right to use any tools necessary.

[Liberal Veteran]

31. The force resolution gave him the power to use military force against..

....another country. The short and soundbitable answer is that the notion a measure to allow Bush to use military force against another country somehow authorized him to wiretap domestically and bypass FISA, is an absurdity.

[rodeodance]

57. REpugs have certainly STRETCHED the 'force resolution"

[rodeodance]

59. good, Daschal is pointing out the hypocrasy with Plame leak and dome

stic evesdropping leak!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Jones]

65. The right to break the law?

That's what people have to begin to ask. Now how hard is it to believe that wiretapping of reporters calling from the Middle East to their collegues here in the U.S. ocurred? And that this conveniently leads to governmental control over our ostensibly Free Press?

[dogindia]

22. Fisa says you get court....AFTER the wiretape. I think.

They are misleading the discussion.

[rodeodance]

24. misleading on purpose.

[rodeodance]

27. it is the part of Fisa that is convenietly left out.

[rodeodance]

28. and Daschle is pointing this out=good for him. He did well.

[Liberal Veteran]

25. Did they cover George Washington's wiretapping program?

Y'know, the one Gonzales talked about in the hearing?

[rodeodance]

32. they have not talked about abe's either.

[Marr]

26. Where are the complaints of an 'activist executive branch'?

He does not get to make and break the law at will. He has done so, and it is obvious. He bragged about it. The only debate to be had is whether he should be impeached this week or next week.

[rodeodance]

34. Roberts says everyone should take a 'memory pill' every morning. He

held up a bottle of pills.

[dogindia]

35. the lying and disinformation is just so blatant.

[rodeodance]

38. good, they showed the Buffalo tape.

[rodeodance]

41. "Congress should be listening"--Harman --meaning not only selected

people in the Wh gang.

[rodeodance]

42. 'these leaks came from the Administrtion"--as no one in Congress knew

(the details that were leaked to nyt)

[rodeodance]

Dashle says CONGRESS should investigate NSA--not rely on WH for

guidance.

[XOKCowboy]

39. They just showed the clip of Bush

saying that all wiretaps require court orders. This oughta be good watching them dance around that.

[spanone]

43. Bush* words mean little even to his own party.

[XOKCowboy]

48. Boy that was a real dud...

They played a tape of Bush LYING publicly and it was blown off completely. I'm chagrined.

Boy these guys are good.

[rodeodance]

51. Bush was given his talking points in Buffalo and still uses them today-He

must have been some of those memory pills from Roberts. te he.

[rodeodance]

53. Tim reading Goss--leaks are dangerous-wants press brought in on

inquiry.

[rodeodance]

44. there goes Roberts again--FISA is an outdated law.

[rodeodance]

45. both Rugs repeating WE WERE BRIEFED!

[rodeodance]

47. if this is going to the 'long war'--then the american people have to

have trust in the laws (i think i paraphased and read into Daschel's comments).

[rodeodance]

54. Harman--it is not clear the the leak came from a whistleblowrer.

[rodeodance]

56. Rep Mich. says it was not a whisleblower. How does he know?

[librechik]

64. Puke talking points--that Hoekstra guy is a menace

[pdxmom]

55. Roberts is getting testy. Seems to be raising his voice. I think

he knows this is going to be a tough fight, and that they are skating on really thin ice.

[rodeodance]

60. now talking of Libby and the 'authority" (cheney).

[rodeodance]

62. Roberts does a good job of mucking up the issues--

[rodeodance]

63. he needs some 'clear' pills.

[librechik]

61. Roberts opposed to investigation of NSA Leakers!

huh

[rodeodance]

66. just like he is opposed to Phase II hearings!!

[XOKCowboy]

67. Watching this it's no wonder Roberts was put in charge...

of investigating 9/11 by this administration. He's the perfect guy to protect the president. What a great statesman. :sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

75. his memory is the same as Jr's

[librechik]

68. wow--Tim brings up the Pillar accusations--NSA cherry picked intel

to justify decisions already made

[rodeodance]

70. now talking of Paul Pilner--Cherrypicking by Cheney

[rodeodance]

72. Roberts just said Phase II is being worked on.

[Julius Civitatus]

71. Do these Democrats disagree at all with the Repugs on anything???

Seriously, I'm getting tired of this shit. This is how it works: Russert asks the main questions to the Republicans (Roberts, Hoekstra). These two spend a long time making huge statements, pontificating with all sorts of demagoguery and fear mongering.

Once they are done with their rants, then Russert asks the Dems if they "agree with their statements."

Then Daschle and Harman repeat profusely how much they agree with the statements made by the Republicans, and then meekly point some technical disagreements.

They look AWFUL. They look UNCONVINCING. They basically SURRENDER their debate positions to the Republicans even before they stat talking. This is awful!

[MoonRiver]

82. I don't agree with you. I believe that Daschle and Harmon did a pretty

good job of standing up for the laws of the land. Russert read an awesome statement from Daschle about how he wouldn't allow domestic wiretapping when * asked for approval. Harmon and Daschle said the Gang of 8 never got the truth about the full extent of what kind of surveillance was being conducted. The Pukes looked like lying fools.

[XOKCowboy]

73. Phase II will be completed....

right after the 2006 elections. That's what Pat's not saying.

[librechik]

81. make that 2008

[XOKCowboy]

84. You're probably right....

and even then it'll probably exonerate everyone in the administration if Roberts is heading it up. What a suckup.

[radio4progressives]

74. I listened to 30 minutes of this dog and pony/smoke and mirrors game

every single sunday talk show have dems that are STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID

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[Julius Civitatus]

85. Right on! -- It was embarrassing!

I just couldn't take this shit. Two cardboard cutouts of Daschle and Harman could have put a better fight on this "round table."

This was literally EMBARRASSING!!!!

Does Russert job consists exclusively of confronting Republican bullies to Democratic wimps? Does he actually look for particularly meek Democrats?

It feels like all political debate in TV replicates the pattern of "Hannity & Colmes."

:puke:

[XOKCowboy]

76. It's now a "Worldwide" intelligence failure.....

talk about projection.

[Stephanie]

83. yeah isn't that incredible?

talk about casting the blame on someone else - the whole world screwed up!

[librechik]

77. Roberts addresses 2 yr delay in "abuse of intel" report

interrupts and gets all huffy! Typical guilty response! Then filibusters and tries to excuse his entire behavior for everything everywhere! Kaboom!

[librechik]

79. Hoekstra begins swiftboating Pillar

ug

[XOKCowboy]

80. I almost felt sorry for him....

it's obviously "hard work". :)