How's this for a "Why I supported B** on Iraq strategy" from Dem on C-span

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Andrew Horne, D, Kentucky was on C-Span early this morning. I thought his answer on the Iraq war was an interesting strategy. No transcript yet, but here is the gist:

1. He supported the president when he said we needed to go to war. Back then, wanted to believe him and trust him. Had no reason not to at that point.

2. In hindsight, big mistake.

3. Not saying B** mislead us. Saying there was a group of "yes men" who pushed the war.

4. But, one can say that B** was responsible, ultimately.


Actually, I believe this is a pretty good strategy for winning votes of repigs and indies.

1. Because you are not alienating them by immediately bashing The Idiot. Many still love the creep.

2. You are saying it was a mistake (which most voters believe as well)

3. You are highlighting the fact that there are a bunch of criminals surrounding The Idiot.

4. You are subtly implying that The Idiot is still responsible.

[hwmnbn]

1. You make a good point......

and that is very troubling. We'll have to sugarcoat the fact that the chimp lied us into war which has cost this country so much blood, treasure, and prestige. His "base" has to be coddled, those idiot shitheads!

The fact this may be an effective strategy just burns my ass.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. Well, all I know is that Repigs (the moderate ones who have

some degree of sense)completely turn-off and become defensive when you take the approach of immediately bashing The Idiot. I asked a repig about this the other day. I asked, "why are people still supporting Bush, when it is infinitely clear he lied about the war?" His response was, "People don't like to be wrong, and they will stick with a losing opinion to the end, instead of admitting they were wrong."

Maybe you have to take for granted that half the population already knows and believes that he is a lying sack of shit. And then address the intelligent moderates and independents with a less emotional angle.

I always do wonder why Kerry and others, when asked about their vote on Iraq didn't play up the angle: "Of course I voted for the war. Our president was telling us and warning us that there would be extreme consequences if we didn't invade Iraq. Back then, I had absolutely no reason not to believe him. To think that ANY president would deliberately lead us into a war based on lies. Now, unfortunately, I know better. I know he misled us. I know he lied."

[mike_c]

2. Hitler was actually a good leader who only wanted what was best...

...and good Germans should avoid criticising him outright, even though he made a few mistakes.

:banghead:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Who said avoid criticism? Over half the people already know B**

is a lying criminal. I am talking about how to convince the rest - so we have enough support to impeach.

Obviously, there are many, many facts out there - enough that anybody in their right mind should want B** impeached. So, how do you build a critical mass???

[EST]

5. What you say probably makes sense.

Sometimes the truth turns to ashes in the mouth...

Would it not be better to constsntly scream-at full volume-of the untrustworthiness, the duplicity, the incompetence, the criminal nature of this maladministration? With the high volume r/w spin machine going full volume, full tilt, no matter what on that side of the fence, the still, small voice of reason and accuracy has exactly zero chance of being heard.

The current cacophony seems to allow only for pre-emptive verbal attack, with the biggest force available.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. All I am going on is what I have been told directly from the opposition

and they turn off immediately when you start with a direct bush bash. It could be that we just need to give them a free pass for supporting the guy to begin with if we expect them to switch.

But yes, you are right, we are gaining converts the way you describe as well.

The biggest mystery of all though, if Why in the Hell don't the dem leaders come up with a cohesive, simple, message about what we believe. Man, we have done it here in 10 minutes.