Freepers JUST AS MAD About the Port Control Issue... Common Ground?

[berni_mccoy]

Is there actually something the Freepers agree with us on? Check it out:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577170/posts

How long before they rationalize this as a great move by BushCo?

Something to the effect of "We're selling our land over here so they don't buy it over there..."

On Edit: Here are some of the first responses:

(ALSO RATE THIS UP! I Want the FREEPERS TO SEE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE!)

While we're at it, why don't we put them in charge of our airport screeners, subway security and Los Alamos?

4 posted on 02/12/2006 1:03:19 PM PST by inkling
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To: Chong
I travel frequently to Dubai. If this is true we a crazy to allow this to happen,

5 posted on 02/12/2006 1:03:27 PM PST by jv1
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To: backhoe; Itzlzha; flashbunny; Travis McGee; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; ...
Picking up steam.......


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576547/posts
"Company From United Arab Emirates Poised to Oversee Six American Ports Due to Sale"


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1577026/posts
"This Doesn't Soud like much of a Homeland Security triumph"

6 posted on 02/12/2006 1:04:33 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: xcamel; Admin Moderator
Dang! I searched using keyword Dubai and also the title itself, but neither search turned up these articles. No wonder, each article has its own unique title. Go figure.
Mods, guess this will have to be pulled?

7 posted on 02/12/2006 1:09:46 PM PST by Chong
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To: Chong
the one word search allways works best, like Dubai, ports, even 6 or 'six'


8 posted on 02/12/2006 1:15:25 PM PST by xcamel (One should hope Global Dumbing is reversible.)
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To: xcamel
Like I said above, I did search using Dubai also.

9 posted on 02/12/2006 1:24:54 PM PST by Chong
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To: xcamel
Now I see why they didn't show up in my search. None of the three articles you linked had Dubai in their keywords, yet.

10 posted on 02/12/2006 1:27:00 PM PST by Chong
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To: Chong
You can also enter the title of the article and do a search "By Title" (Score). The results for this story are shown here.

11 posted on 02/12/2006 1:34:07 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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Oh, good freaking grief...

12 posted on 02/12/2006 1:36:26 PM PST by Chong
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To: Chong
Can anyone doubt international conspiracy at top levels now?

13 posted on 02/12/2006 2:42:58 PM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: Chong; All
Does anyone know of any other foreign companies running operations at U.S. ports?

14 posted on 02/12/2006 3:45:52 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: TheCrusader
The Bush administration considers the United Arab Emirates an important ally in the fight against terrorism"
Both Bush Administrations bent over for their Arab masters.

Get a room, you two!

15 posted on 02/12/2006 3:48:00 PM PST by montag813

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To: Chong
Just adore the Republican concept of security.

16 posted on 02/12/2006 6:47:05 PM PST by Spirited
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To: jv1
It is beyond crazy..someone is smoking some bad shi'ite..

17 posted on 02/12/2006 8:05:38 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)

To: sheik yerbouty
What is this all about??

18 posted on 02/14/2006 6:28:34 PM PST by malia (The Impeached x42 clinton - a Paper Tiger President! MSM - bottom feeders! What a team!!!!)

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To: malia
UAE being allowed to buy up strategic American port facilities..A Trojan Horse..

19 posted on 02/15/2006 6:26:32 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)

[proud patriot]

1. just as soon as fox and rush tell them how to think

they will stop being mad about it and comply
with their masters .

[berni_mccoy]

2. ROFL!

:rofl:

That's Freepers FOR YA!

[sasha031]

13. you are so right

[rodeodance]

14. oh oh sigh

[durablend]

22. Yep--nothing to see here

They'll be back to licking *'s boots (as well as a few other things) after Rush's sermon tomorrow.

[FreedomAngel82]

59. Now watch it happen

[proud patriot]

76. I watched it happen today

freepers are so predictable

[liberal N proud]

71. Sad but exactly how this nation of sheep work.

It is almost like they have drugged them or brainwashed them.
How did this happen in America?
:mad:

[blm]

3. you think they'll realize that they've been supporting House of Saud and

House of Bush all this time, and that they've been led by their GOP leaders into global fascism?

[central scrutinizer]

15. not to mention the COMMUNIST Chinese

As they rush over to the Red Chinese Outlet Mall (commonly referred to as Walmart) to buy their new Bill O'Reilly books.

[blm]

36. Good old PoppyBush made that deal in the 70s with Chinese industrialists.

WalMart was the beneficiary and the gates were opened for global fascism.

[Old and In the Way]

4. Should be a huge election year issue for Democrats.

Why are Bush Republicans selling out our country to the ME?

[CountAllVotes]

5. this WILL DO IT!!!

We the People of the United States will come together and thwart these thugs out of our country!

Let them all go live in Saudi Arabia! Let them! And I hope they enjoy it these low lives!

Join together fellow citizens! Join together NOW before it is too late!

Help SAVE AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL not just for yourself but for every single person living in this great country of ours! :patriot:

:kick:

[rodeodance]

6. and DU this poll

Thu Feb-16-06 05:31 PM
Original message
DU Lou Dobbs Poll on UAE Dubai Port Control:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight /

QUICKVOTE
"Do you believe that Congress should investigate why the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States approved a deal that would give control of U.S. ports to a country with ties to radical Islamist terrorism?"

[renate]

16. nicely worded, Lou!!

:applause:

rodeodance, I thought you'd rewritten the question the way it ought to be, until I looked and... it's already the way it ought to be!

(At least for now... let's see how long before CNN wimps out and changes it.)

[CountAllVotes]

17. 98% say YES INVESTIGATE THESE THUGS

Looks like no more 65/35 or 60/40!

We the people are united on this one!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: out the terrorists!

Do not give our ports to them! How damn stupid can it get? :grr: :argh:

:kick:

[PhilipShore]

31. Done--- Yes 97% ---- No 3% ---Total: 4698 votes

Do you believe that Congress should investigate why the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States approved a deal that would give control of U.S. ports to a country with ties to radical Islamist terrorism?

Yes---- 97%
4569 votes

No ---- 3%
129 votes

Total: 4698 votes

[msgadget]

33. This IS a common ground issue - 97% voted yes, over 5000 votes n/t

[bonito]

39. 97 yes, good one n/t

[MadisonProgressive]

40. Maybe it'd being DU'ed and Freep'ed at the same time?

Do you believe that Congress should investigate why the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States approved a deal that would give control of U.S. ports to a country with ties to radical Islamist terrorism?

Yes 97% 5598 votes

No 3% 179 votes
Total: 5777 votes

[Swamp Rat]

50. As of 11:20 pm:

Yes 97% 6034 votes

No 3% 200 votes

So, who are the 200 dipshit traitors?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

60. 97% to 3%!!!1

BWAAAAAHHHAAAAAA

This is hugh!!!11!!!!

[SupplyConcerns]

61. Ah, united over a little "light treason"!

Thank God for Lou Dobbs and the Freepers on this one. I really mean it. This just seems like one of those creepy decisions that would be laying the groundwork for a false flag terror attack. Or, not quite as bad, it just shows how not only transnational corporations, but the politicians they put into power, DO NOT have loyalty to the United States.

[hopeisaplace]

7. Don't they see what's happening to their country with all the other issues

as well.

My goodness. Does anyone read. Or does it have to appear on a tv screen
or talk radio before it's acknowledged.


edit: typo

[mwb970]

69. Read the threads.

Notice all the "Rush says..." and "I saw this on Fox". If it's not discussed in one of those two places, these poor folks have no way of finding out about it.

[Occulus]

8. That happens every now and again.

Someone should make a website for the issues we and the Freepers agree upon, and build on that.

My suspicion is, politically, when you boil away all the partisanship, we have more in common with them from a policy standpoint than we do differences.

[helderheid]

11. now THAT is a great idea. I remember with the whole eminent domain thing

we were on the same page.

[Occulus]

19. Really, it's not all that much of a surprise.

Often, those who think they have great gulfs between themselves are actually closer than they would have ever imagined.

[helderheid]

21. I agree.

[hopeisaplace]

23. excellent idea

[renate]

24. that's an excellent idea!

And an excellent point, too. Of course we disagree on a zillion things, but issues like invasion of privacy, lying to the American public, fiscal irresponsibility, etc, would have had Republicans up in arms before the right wing managed to convince them that sycophancy was equivalent to patriotism.

[NanceGreggs]

27. Agreed!

Let's not forget that the Bush supporters have been systematically taught to hate ALL Muslims, ALL Arabs -- that's the groundwork that had to be laid in order for the 'playing the FEAR card' gambit to work when required.

"... politically, when you boil away all the partisanship, we have more in common with them from a policy standpoint than we do differences."

I've said that many times here - and I have the flame marks to prove it.

You can't convince Mr. and Mrs. Redneck in Podunk to be suspicious of everyone in the ME - and then turn around and convince them that SOME of these people are actually our trustworthy friends.

Methinks this Administration has just been snared in the very trap they've unwittingly set for themselves.

Division of the citizenry has been the weapon this Admin has continually used to push their political agenda. But on this ISSUE, we are united.

And once Americans are UNITED in any cause, there's no STOPPING US!

[arcane1]

29. when you take away the SPIN AND PROPAGANDA...

it's amazing how much we agree on

[helderheid]

9. k & r

[Fridays Child]

10. They also hate that Bush wants to see their Google records...

...but warrantless wiretaps don't bother them too much. :eyes:

[helderheid]

18. it's the porn.

They haven't made the connection yet that their phone sex calls are being monitored as well. :rofl:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

12. Good

If we could get past partisan BS and realize the mess we are ALL in together, it would make it a hell of alot easier to get something done.

[central scrutinizer]

20. they weren't bothered when

a gay male prostitute with an alias working for a bogus "news" organization could waltz through security and into the White House on 200 occasions. Why would this bother them? They are truly members of a cult who have lost the ability to think critically.

[NanceGreggs]

25. Common ground? You betcha!

Let's not forget that the die-hard Bush supporters have bought the 'fear terrorists at every turn', 'we don't negotiate with terrorists', not to mention the Ann Coulters of the world constantly reminding the Freepers that ALL arabs are 'murderous tent merchants and evil towel-heads'.

Bush would have gotten a better reception if he'd announced amending the Constitution to legalize gay marriage, taxation of Fundie churches and drive-through abortion clinics on every corner.

So NOW it finally hits home with the Freepers - BushCo doesn't care about them any more than he cares about us!

[madmusic]

26. Sorry for going a little off topic

Can someone point me to a site that explains how freepers sabotage sites they don't like? We know they try to do that here, but I need something more general regarding how and why they try to control all the web, from www.IMDB.com to political sites like this one.

TIA

[helderheid]

28. I don't have an answer but welcome to DU!

[madmusic]

30. Thank you.

This is a wile and crazy place (in a good way).

[msgadget]

32. They're citizens of these United States like us and were promised

security. Imagine supporting your leader because you believe he's gonna keep you safe only to discover he thinks this is a good idea. There are a lot of republicans who don't like this administration but I don't think president bashing is encouraged at FR. There's common ground but the politicians have to twist it so we look stupid for complaining to keep the country divided.

For instance, the other day a rightwing paper made a big deal about Gore speaking to Saudis and made a remark about Saudis being allowed to leave on private planes right after 9/11. The left sees that as a favor to friends of the president. What IF it was a...how to put it?...nation thing, a favor from our nation that had nothing to do with party or friendship? Would anyone believe that or is it necessary to think the other side was doing something sneaky?

[Ksec]

34. Its THEIR PARTY who is doing this insane stuff.

As soon as they realize this theyll change their minds and say its patriotic to sell our country to terrists.

[Roland99]

35. Don't worry. Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc. will give the talking points

by tomorrow morning and the Freepers will be right onboard.

[kainah]

41. It was Les Kinsolving's question today at the gaggle

Les Kinsolving, the slighty crazy winger who always asks Scotty two questions and always prefaces both by saying, "Two questions, Scott." Often he invites Scotty to blame things on the Clintons or the press. But his first question today was about the ports.

Sooner or later, when you go far enough right and far enough left, you will meet on the other side. Of course, the right has preferred to remain in their cocoon "cult of Bush" but this could be the button-pusher.

We need to keep talking about it, too. It hasn't yet really entered the traditional press. With both the left and the right condemning it, we have to see that it gets to those who don't know what to think until they're told.

[phusion]

37. Yes - My dad brought this up at dinner

and it was the first time we have agreed on something like this in the past 5 years.

Then he brought up the "Saddam tapes" :rofl:

[MadisonProgressive]

38. sheik yerbouty said it best : "a trojan horse".

[StClone]

42. Add this to the Moonies owning much of the Ocean going

U.S. fisheries and you wonder where this ship a fools is headed.

[Disturbed]

43. OK what other issue do most DUers..

have in agreement with FreeRs?

[Pirate Smile]

44. Eminent domain - Kelo case.

[JCMach1]

45. Common ground with racists,,,

I guess it is okay for the British to control our ports, but not the UAE.

I can tell you which company is better run and has more capital to put into port improvements to increase security and it's not the British...

[AntiFascist]

56. Race has nothing to do with it....

Why is so much wealth concentrated among so few in the arab world? If it were spread out a little more perhaps there would be fewer suicide bombers and radical extremists. You will find this same bias against the fascist super-wealthy of any race or nation, including out own.

[JCMach1]

65. What about those super-wealthy Brits who owned our ports

This IS about race....

[AntiFascist]

66. I'm not talking about just wealth...

unlike others, I'm not going to ridicule people who have amassed great amounts of wealth just because they are wealthy. I am ridiculing people "tied together at the top" (as Rumsfeld calls it) of governments and banks in Saudi Arabia and Dubai who have demonstrated collusion with the Bush family, illegal dealings, and money-laundering ties to Osama bin Ladin and al Qaeda. If there are such clear ties to the wealthy British port owners then I would be concerned about them as well.

[JCMach1]

68. There are no connections directly with the government of Dubai

If anything, exactly the opposite. Google Bill Clinton and see how many times he has been the guest of the Dubai government since leaving office.

Collusion with Bush family? Nothing that I have ever seen evidence of...

As for money-laundering... the UAE is for better, or worse the Switzerland of the Middle-east. Things have become much tighter here since 9/11, but alot of banking goes on... where there are banks, there are always bad bankers willing to do favors for people.

Let's be specific with charges we make especially about 9/11...

Hijackers had bank account in and spent most of their time in Germany. Do we blame the Germans for 9/11?

There is 0 proof the government of Dubai was involved in any way with terrorist acitivities. Ditto for the UAE national government.

[AntiFascist]

73. I've posted this in other threads, might as well post it here....

From the "Forbidden Truth", page 91:

Another bank believed to have facilitated transfers for Osama bin Ladin's networks was the Dubai Islamic Bank<30>, created in 1975, based in the United Arab Emirates, and run by none other than the current minister of finance of the United Arab Emirates<31>. According to the CIA, these transfers fed organizations associated with bin Ladin. The Dubai Islamic Bank was also one of the principal shareholders in the BCCI with more than $80 million in assets there. The bank has been involved in several scandals...

<30> Bankers Almanack, 2000; IAC Company Intelligence, 2001.
<31> Among its shareholders are the governments of Dubai and Kuwait (which account for 10 percent of the capital). The bank is a shareholder in Bahrain Islamic Bank, Islamic Bank Bangladesh Ltd., and Tadamon, and also has investments in Al Shamal Islamic Bank.

Also, you may want to check out this link which describes in detail the long and tangled history between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia, also the breakdown of intelligence surrounding 9/11:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

[berni_mccoy]

70. RACISM? Prove it.

This HAS NOTHING to do with racism and everything to do with Security and allowing AMERICANS TO CONTROL THEIR OWN PORTS.

The fact is, the ports should be controlled BY AMERICANS. The fact that they were controlled by Brits before is irrelevant.

Our port security HAS BEEN BAD and WILL REMAIN BAD, ESPECIALLY IF A MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY IS ALLOWED TO CONTROL SIX MAJOR PORTS.

And don't give me any FREE MARKET crap. The Global Market is not a Free Market. The Middle East does not run on a Free Market system either. If we want free market in the U.S., let only American companies (WHO DO NOT OUTSOURCE) control security sensitive operations.

We don't outsource our defense, we should NOT OUTSOURCE OUR SECURITY.

[progressivebydesign]

46. I quizzed a repug petition seeker ton that today....

As usual, she was trying to get signatures to repeal taxes (and people sign without even reading it!), I asked her if she had any petitions pertaining to the selling of American ports to the people that financed the 9/11 attacks? She was dumbstruck... then I asked her if she had a petition to stop the 8 billion dollar giveaway to the oil companies. Deer in headlights...

[hopeisaplace]

47. "deer in headlights" - that made me laugh as well, lol

just picturing her face ...eyes blinking, mouth half-open...
too funny, :rofl:

[NobleCynic]

48. Free market anyone?

I'm normally not the free-market advocate in the room. Usually I'm arguing against said person, but come on people! You can sneak anything you want through U.S. ports currently. The freakin cargo containers aren't even opened and inspected! What does this change? Who cares who owns it! You can't do a more mediocre job than is already being done! I say let Dubai have it. It is not like it is a bigger security risk with a different company at the head. Moreover, it is still American workers, unionized at that, that will be actually doing the day to day operations running the port. This reaction is a little out of proportion.

[berni_mccoy]

52. So...I have to ask...Did Rush Or Hannity give you that message?

Just curious?

[autorank]

49. Hey, berni_mccoy, send them this...;)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2454971

[leesa]

51. How long before they believe it's great? Just as soon as Cheney tells

them so... they are so stupid.. The same people who worked with Bush and Cheney to pull off 9-11 and they are helping these jackals give our ports to them. Will they EVER realize that Bush and Cheney are the biggest criminals in history?

[Nothing Without Hope]

53. It's so awful, even a freeper can see it. BACKGROUND thread on this issue:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2454971
thread title (2-12-06 GD-P): 911 Bankers to Run SIX Major U.S. Ports—Dubai(UAE). IMPEACH NOW!!!
Comment/excerpt: “Six ports will be run and protected by a Dubai based port management company (DP World): New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia. The deal was approved by a “U.S. government panel coordinated out of the White House. Just prior to the deal, David C. Sanborn of Virginia was appointed as administrator of the Maritime Administration of the Transportation Department. Sanborn worked as DP World's director of operations for Europe and Latin America.…. A company in the United Arab Emirates is poised to take over significant operations at six American ports as part of a corporate sale, leaving a country with ties to the Sept. 11 hijackers with influence over a maritime industry considered vulnerable to terrorism.“

[NVMojo]

54. the story first broke in Forbes magazine & Forbes was PNAC

now ask what the F is going on!

[AntiFascist]

57. Even businesspeople have been taken for a ride....

Prior to the Iraq invasion there was an article in Forbes about how Iraqi oil would allow for competition with OPEC and would eventually drive the price of oil down. No wonder GM and Ford started turning out all the big SUVs and monster trucks. Later, Cheney decided it wasn't such a good idea to compete with OPEC. We all know what has happened since.

[RagingInMiami]

55. "We're selling our land over here so they don't buy it over there..."

That should be a democratic talking point.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. More IHOP?

[SupplyConcerns]

62. United over a little "light treason"

Thank God for Lou Dobbs and the Freepers on this one. I really mean it. This just seems like one of those creepy decisions that would be laying the groundwork for a false flag terror attack. Or, not quite as bad, it just shows how not only transnational corporations, but the politicians they put into power, DO NOT have loyalty to the United States.

[bluestateguy]

63. Freeper/DU agreement

Kelo v. New London was the last time this happened.

[Peter Frank]

64. Interesting Freeper post --

What's even worse is that UAE supports Iran...

"According to Al-Bayan newspaper, statistics issued by the Dubai Chamber of Commerce and Industry show that the value of the total non-oil exchanges between the UAE and Iran hit $3.3 billion last year..."

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iran/194313

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

67. Well,

Even a broken freeper is right twice... in a lifetime.

[dwahzon]

72. kicking n/t

[Coexist]

74. kick

[drm604]

75. Kick

:kick: