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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 09:56 PM
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A site you don't want to miss. http://www.counterpunch.org/ n/t
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:01 PM
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1. I might miss it...
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 10:02 PM by teach1st
..unless the link is corrected.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:11 PM
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2. isn't is
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:26 PM
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3. I have one big problem with this site. . .
They seem to be anti-semitic and in favor of the destruction of Israel. Can't agree with that at all.

Doesn't help the democratic cause at all. Wonder why they hate Jews so much.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:14 PM
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4. They're not Democrats.
In fact, they often attack Democrats just as badly as RW sites do, often running pure hit pieces on them.

They do run a wide variety of articles by people who are not affiliated with the site, and many of these articles are quite good. You need to do a good deal of separating wheat from chaff over there though.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:29 PM
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6. They're not anti-semitic
OTOH, they're definitely not ashamed to say things you won't find in MSM about all issues: Israel/Palestine, poverty, society, imperialism, race and so on.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:36 PM
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7. Sorry,
but agreeing with the Palestinians is anti semitic. Palestinians send sucide bombers into Israel
to kill school kids. HAMAS wants to drive Israel into the sea. I am BLACK and I believe that
NON-VIOLENCE is the way (MLK and Ghandi's philosophy). There is NO EXCUSE for killing and terrorism.
NONE.

Call me prejudiced, but I have friends with Nazi tattoes on them from the death camps. I have no
sympathy for anyone who wants to destroy Israel.
Nuff said.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:47 PM
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8. "Call me prejudiced"
No problem

You are prejudiced.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:22 AM
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9. "agreeing with the Palestinians is anti semitic"
:wow:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:01 PM
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21. Should someone tell her Palestinians are semites too? Or would that be
anti-semitic?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:54 AM
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10. There is evidence Israel uses violence and terror as well.
The Israeli state was founded with the use of anti-Arab terror by Jews and the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from their ancestral lands. Apparently because of the holocaust and the idea among Christian fundamentalists that the Jews are God's "choosen" people the crimes of terror committed by the Israelis (or by Jews in the Middle East prior to the establishment of the state of Israel) are conveniently ignored and all the focus placed on the Arab terrorists in the popular media in the US.


Israeli Terrorism doesn't make News
Cause of The Conflict Ignored


by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed

SNIP

The question is: Who is really, in Sharon’s words, “under terror”? It is an unfortunate but well-documented fact that Israel’s bloody record of terrorism against Palestinians far outweighs the scale of the tragic atrocity that occurred on Saturday. From the inception of the Zionist State to the present day, terrorism has been built into the foundations of policy of Israel’s military institutions. We should start, naturally, at the beginning. One authoritative source for understanding the genocidal essence of Israeli military policy comes from within Israel itself - the Israeli military historian Aryeh Yitzakhi, Senior Lecturer in the Faculty of Eretz Yisrael Studies at Bar Ilan University (Tel Aviv) and Senior Lecturer in Military History in Israeli Defence Force (IDF) courses for army officers. Yitzahki is particularly qualified in this area due to his in-depth acquaintance with IDF archives, on which his conclusions are based. In the 1960s, Yitzakhi served as director of the IDF archives within the framework of his IDF service in his capacity as historian. “The time has come,” he observes, “to face the ocean of lies in which we were brought up. In almost every conquered village in the War of Independence, acts were committed, which are defined as war crimes, such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes…

“For many Israelis it was easier to find consolation in the lie, that the Arabs left the country under orders from their leaders. This is an absolute fabrication. The fundamental cause of their flight was their fear from Israeli retribution and this fear was not at all imaginary. From almost each report in the IDF archives concerning the conquest of Arab villages between May and July 1948 - when clashes with Arab villagers were the fiercest - a smell of massacre emanates. Sometimes the report tells about blatant massacres which were committed after the battle, sometimes the massacres are committed in the heat of battle and while the villages are ‘cleansed’. Some of my colleagues, such as Me’ir Pa’il, don’t consider such acts as massacres. In my opinion there is no other term for such acts than massacres. This was at the time the rule of the game… In the first phase a village was usually subjected to heavy artillery from distance. Then soldiers would assault the village. After giving up resistance, the Arab fighters would withdraw while attempting to snipe at the advancing forces. Some would not flee and would remain in the village, mainly women and old people. In the course of cleansing we used to hit them. One was ‘tailing the fugitives’, as it used to be called (‘mezanvim baborchim’)… In a typical battle report about the conquest of a village we find: ‘We cleansed a village, shot in any direction where resistance was noticed. After the resistance ended, we also had to shoot people so that they would leave or who looked dangerous’.” <1>

SNIP

Terror comes in many forms. Couple an ongoing illegal military occupation with brutal measures of repression suited to the worst military dictatorships, and terrorism not only takes the form of physical warfare, but also expands into unbearable social, psychological, and economic forms of comprehensive strangulation. Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb who serves on the board of the Jewish Peace Fellowship and who visited Israel in 1998 as part of an interfaith delegation to the West Bank and Gaza, describes the comprehensive military repression of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories, a state of affairs highly unbefitting of a regime purporting to be democratic:

“Israel continues to use torture, collective punishment, annexation and destruction of occupied territory, denial of food and medical supplies, arbitrary arrest, detention and imprisonment, execution without fair legal process, forced exile and the daily humiliation of security checks to manage Palestinians living under Israeli military rule. Between 1,000 and 1,500 Palestinians are arrested every month and as many as 80 percent of those arrested undergo this form of interrogation, which falls under the category of ‘torture’ by all international definitions. The use of torture is officially permitted by the Israeli Supreme Court and has been documented by the US State Department, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Israeli Physicians for Human Rights, the International Committee of the Red Cross and numerous Israeli and Palestinian human-rights groups.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq22.html

If there is no excuse for violence and terrorism, I assume there is no excuse also when it is practiced by Israel.





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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:11 PM
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12. just a question


So you think that non violent resistance would have worked against the Nazis?

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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:34 PM
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18. Wow! Why isn't anyone ever accused of being anti-Palestinian?
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:36 PM
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20. Jews & Arabs are both SEMITIC!!!!!
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 04:39 PM by bushmeat
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:22 PM
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5. Excellent site: politically incorrect, hard-hitting and it features
some very well known writers.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:12 AM
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11. great site
despite the israeli apologists who seem to be saying israel right or wrong even above my own country.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:30 PM
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13. Separation of church and state
is a good idea for any country.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:31 PM
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14. Also speaking of "counter" sites, dont' forget Counterbias.com!
www.counterbias.com
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:44 PM
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15. It's great if you hate liberals and America
I have yet to read a positive word in Counterpunch about any real liberals - only far leftist communist anti-Israel fringe elements. It's as credible as NewsMax.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:55 PM
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16. I used to love that site
since I am more of a far leftist than I am a liberal. Was Edward Said anti-Israel? I also do not think they are wrong about liberal sell-outs to the military industrial complex or corporate elite, but I got tired of what I saw a counter-productive bashing of Democrats. Probably still some good articles there. I think I got alot of my "there are no WMD in Iraq" information there before the war, and some of the writers wrote back to me when I emailed them (which is probably also a comment on their small readership numbers)
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:05 PM
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17. They might have some good articles
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 03:06 PM by WildEyedLiberal
But it's a matter of separating wheat from chaff, and as an old-school American liberal, I find their positions on most things to be way extreme and their trashing of most politicians to be gratuitous and uncalled for. It reminds me of various New Left journals in the 60s which had nothing good to say about Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy because they were liberals.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:48 PM
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19. An excellent site for those who don't fear sacred cows.
Alas, they don't play favorites, and corrupt Democrats are as likely to be nailed as Republicans. The "anti-semitic" label is a red-herring.
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