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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:40 AM
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Does Anyone Understand Derrida?


I’ve heard that he has said, that if anyone does; then he has not done his job. That seems inane?

Doesn’t that sort foolishness detract from the substance of Satre?

From a political point-of-view, selfhood v otherness would seem to lead to deus ex machine and away from actualization?

The sine que non of neo-liberalism?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:47 AM
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1. I gave up at Foucault
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 12:47 AM by bluestateguy
The most absolute gibberish I have ever read in my life. It was like reading text written in tongues.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:51 AM
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2. Derrida makes Foucault look like Dr. Seuss.
But I'll choose Hayden White for gibberish. The most fun I had with him was counting the number of words he made up per essay . . .
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:53 AM
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4. LMAO
That was too funny. At least you constructed worth in White. By the way I agree with both of you...rubbish.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:51 AM
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3. What?
The first line of what you posted -- as far as I understand it -- seems to come from the cynical attitude most Conservatives and Americans have toward philosophy in general: that's it's all bunk, nonsense, and contrary to Common Sense (which is elevated to mystical status).

Of course, the philosophy-hater gets to define "Common Sense" however he wants; usually, it's to produce maximum ridicule of the philosopher, and self-inflation. An "ego trip".

The second line is a big shrug: What is your point about Sartre? (Keep in mind that many people said the same thing, often to the word, about Sartre as they now say about Derrida.) And what foolishness are you invoking? Sartre's, Derrida's, or the critics'?

The third line of what you wrote just doesn't make sense to me as it's written. What are you trying to say? That there is some issue of alienation involved? In what?

The sine qua non of neo-liberalism depends on whose description of it you're talking about. Most people would say it's Private Enterprise. But I could be wrong about that, too.

So, yeah, I might understand Derrida. Maybe. Maybe a little.

Of course, being Saturday night, there might just be some alcohol involved. :)

--p!
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:03 AM
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5. I think Foucault, Adorno and Habermas et al


Have dismantled a society through the individual as expressed by Satre and replaced it with some mumbo jumbo of the organization as expression of existence.


As for your reality in which I am anti-philosophy you are entitled to that reality, mine is that the left needs a philsophy by which to steer, today they are rudderless, neither fish, nor fowl.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:17 AM
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14. Oh- I thought it was the sine que nonsense of neo-literalism

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:47 AM
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45. I owe you an apology
I thought you were just some random boob coming in to make a yuck-yuck about Derrida. It's one of those common activities enjoyed by back-slappers near and far, and it's become like fingernails on the chalkboard.

Nevertheless, I don't agree that Derrida's work is "mumbo-jumbo", nor are the works of Foucault, Adorno, Habermas, et al. You haven't really explained why Sartre's "got it" and the other boys don't. Nor do I understand what has been dismantled relative to political understanding within the Left.

The other point is, though while I love philosophy, I believe that imposing or adopting a philosophy to politics leads nowhere but to a human hell. Philosophy in politics is almost always an indoctrination device, and the political organizations with the strongest philosophies are the worst: modern Communism, Naziism, Fascism, the American Republic Party, the British National Front, etc. Ayn Rand was an absolute bitch-on-wheels advocate of philosophy-cum-politics. Even the American New Left of the 1960s (from The Port Huron Statement onward) developed a lot of "bad habits", such as the idea that the woman's role in revolution was to cook, do the laundry, keep house, fuck enthusiastically, and make the coffee for the meetings of the Revolutionary Vanguard Council (or whatever it might be called).

It is extremely difficult not to fall into one's own philosophical potholes in politics. I suppose that the best we can do is to mount an heroic effort to stay true to our course and avoid hypocrisy as much as possible. Philosophy is excellent as a way to examine our foibles, but not as a program for avoiding them. At least, if we are all following somewhat different philosophical pathways, our individual mistakes will be unique enough so that we can look out for each other.

My hope is that philosophical reasoning in general might grow from politics, spawned in the wake of the resurrection of the American Left -- rather than being imposed on it. I would like more people to discuss philosophy in any context, and for there to be a renaissance of philosophical interest in our culture, but not as a pre-packaged "Politics Helper".

--p!
But I could be wrong.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:23 AM
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12. I was wondering what the thing about Sartre was about as well...
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 01:24 AM by Katherine Brengle
I think his work is genius. Dirty Hands--absolutely brilliant and beautiful.

And The Wall is still my all-time favorite to pass along to my friends.
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:25 AM
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13. You can sleep well for in my reality
Satre is well beloved.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:25 PM
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18. Then all is well. ;) n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:08 AM
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6. Did you hear the one about the deconstructionist mafia don?
He makes you an offer you can't understand.







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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:09 AM
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7. LMAO I love that one
thanks
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:58 PM
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35. LMAO! Can I quote you on that?
Just loved it. :)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:35 PM
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39. I appropriated it myself, feel free to spread that text n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:10 AM
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8. nothing could possibly detract from the substance of Satre
and the otherness IS the sine que non of inanity.

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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:17 AM
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9. Of course I agree...that is where I am at the moment
The left is without rudder and meandering upon a stream of bullshit.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:52 AM
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17. ad hominem! ad hominem!
I think I resemble that remark!

LOL
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:18 AM
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10. what's not to understand?
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.

oh, i thought you said Disiderata...
dp
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:20 AM
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11. LMAO
We of the left have humor..that is good in itself!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:43 PM
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21. GIVE UP!
:rofl:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:44 PM
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28. You are a fluke of the universe ...
Go placidly amid the noise and waste and remember what a comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. -- Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself and heed well their advice even though they be turkeys; know what to kiss and when. -- Consider that two wrongs never make a right but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big fortune in computer maintenance. -- Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself; if you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you. That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love therefore; it will stick to your face. -- Gracefully surrender the things of youth, birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan; and let not the sands of time get in your lunch. -- Hire people with hooks. -- For a good time, call 606-4311; ask for Ken. Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese; and reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee. -- You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, and whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. -- Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be: Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin -- With all its hopes, dreams, promises, & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. -- Give up.

:rofl: :rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:50 PM
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30. "Or Cosmic Muffin -- with all Its hopes, dreams, promises"
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 06:51 PM by sfexpat2000
:rofl:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:42 PM
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44. Oh Dear God.....................
:rofl:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:32 AM
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15. (oi!) I waggishly doubt that Derrida understands Derrida.
I'm occasionally stunned at the range of interests on DU ... ridiculous to sublime sometimes doesn't even begin to cover it, even though I'm not at all sure at which end of that spectrum Derrida belongs. I comprehend very little of deconstruction, other than recognition of the presumptive superior/inferior dualisms infusing Western philosophy. That said, it seems to me that Derrida is akin to a presumed forensic pathologist for Western philosophy... but without a catalog of pathogens and mutagens to guide him and without a corpse to examine, merely the trail of where it's been and what it's done - not even knowing whether it's dead or even sick (he can't decide).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:46 PM
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22. Exactly. Deconstruction makes no sense if you let yourself
go all the way. :P
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:05 PM
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42. Hey, that's what I was going to say
At the very least- he did a poor job explaining what deconstruction was when asked (apparantly he didn't much like the term).

I do really like his notion of binaries, though. That's something I can actually apply and work with.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:34 AM
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16. Here's a handy guide (warning: I am not a fan)
Deconstruction is a literary theory that says a text does not and can not mean what its author thinks it means, and therefore, communication is not possible.

A naive but curious person might ask, exactly why is communication not possible? The post-structuralists have a quick answer: because Derrida has revealed that there is no person behind a text.

I've often wondered, if communication is such a hall of mirrors, and nothing can be said, then why are post-structuralists so insistent on saying that nothing can be said? Why do they further insist on churning out PhD theses and PowerPoint slides for seminars and books no one wants to read telling us over and over that nothing can be said?

Honestly, is there anything more concrete, more relentlessly, humorlessly, aggressively tangible than the post-structuralist standing behind his/her own text?

Harummph.

:-)

Peace.


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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:33 PM
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19. I can take a little bit of a stab at this
I think, as someone mentioned above, Derrida is most often connected with literary theory, though, I have heard that it is mistaken to link him solely to literary theory.

I've come to Derrida, myself, through literary theory -- and I'm very interested in much of what people have extrapolated, from his work, toward the text.

The deconstruction of a text is fairly straightforward: you identify a binary, identify the binary-oppositional construct to which it belongs, and talk about the history, subtext, context, etc., of that binary-oppositional construct. It gets a little more detailed than that, and a discussion of the intricacies can certainly drag on, indefinitely -- but I've never been comfortable with all those concepts and terminologies: hermaneutics, contextual epistemologies, meta-narrative, etc.

I understand a little bit of it -- but, to me, it does not seem inane for him to say that he has not done his job if someone understands him -- I think it's funny, and that it's meant to be funny -- or, if it isn't meant to be funny, Derrida would say it doesn't matter what he meant.

As far as substance, I have a fondness for the postmodernists, and, of course, I'm aware of the big question that plagues postmodernism, i.e.-- if nothing means anything, then why the fuck are you boring me with all this postmodern shit? Aren't your theories just as meaningless as any other?

I have friends who have various answers or theories, as to that -- even ranging into the areas of quantum physics and Zeno's Paradox -- but, I, myself, am just kind of resigned to the paradox. I am kind of a postmodern nihilist, and can sort of accept that -- it's why I'm agnostic/athiest and a libertarian.

And that, my friend, to answer your question: is the Derrida stuff a sine qua non of neoliberalism?

Of COURSE it is -- sort of. Michael Foucault predicted the neocons. If I'm not mistaken, the gist of his schtick was that those in power control the language. What do you think he would have thought of this?:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''


- Ron Suskind "Without a Doubt"

I had a colleague who thought that he would just be like "ho hum, I'm not surprised, this is what I SAID was going to happen," -- but I think he would have shit his pants. This quote has around TWENTY THOUSAND HITS on Google, and, as far as political philsophy and postmodernism is concerned, is one of the most amazing quotes ever cited. I think, yeah, that Foucault knew what he was talking about -- but when you're a writer and a philosopher, you throw all kinds of shit out there -- and some of it is just to see what sticks. I think, to have his predictions/theories come out, in such full force, would have been truly amazing for him. Anyway -- that's an aside.

Liberalism, in terms of social democracy, liberalism, socialism, communism, etc., are all modern theories, and they're all authoritarian theories. Conservatism is often seen as a classical theory seen through a modern lens -- depending on to what degree that authority is involved in keepin the natural "order." Neoconservatism, in and of itself is not postmodern -- it takes equally from liberal authority and classical order, in practice -- but if the neocons TRULY believe that they create reality, then they, themselves, are postmodernists. Do they realize it? That's an interesting question: to what extent is it conscious? Whoever uttered the above quote seems fairly aware of his own postmodern consciousness.

Neo-liberalism is only postmodern insofar as it is not backed by state force. If it is assumed that there is an authority -- i.e. science, the rule of law, etc., that specifically makes claims on neoliberalism's behalf, and is willing to use that authority to enforce it -- it's more modern, than postmodern -- unless, again, of course, if it is aware that it is actively creating reality.

It's totally confusing, but anarchy (all forms, right and left) and libertarianism are postmodern insofar that they truly believe in individual autonomy, but not that there is an authority that demands individual autonomy. Because there, again, is the paradox -- is a specific belief in the autonomy of the individual a modern concept? Could not the idea that humans are slaves be an equally valid concept to the postmodernist?

I'm going to go let my head explode, now -- but here's some thinking out loud for you. Can neo-liberalism, or any other -ism be postmodern, if a person truly believes in it? Wouldn't a true postmodernist have to believe that all ideas are equally valid?

Most of the time, I think the literary theorists spend their time with micro-elements of this, dealing with the smaller elements, instead of really tackling the big questions. Why? The paradox always stops one from getting anywhere. Is it good for literature? I think so -- it encourages experimentation and emphasizes the fluidity of language. There was a lit critic, who, not too long ago, took the literary establishment to task for getting off on postmodernism, and ignoring Marxism. Can the artist be an authoritarian? For me, the answer is no. And I've undergone a radical change, which I haven't fully reconciled, because of it.

Head. Exploding.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:50 PM
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23. No. A true post modern would think that no new ideas can be
free of the pre post modern slime and any counter examples only exist to oppose the resistance to the true post modern situation.

:rofl:

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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:02 PM
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25. That's funny
I've often, in jest, written that modernism is to postmodernism as "whatever that rag was that came before it." I guess that would be part of the pre-post-modern slime. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:07 PM
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26. Edna St. Vincent Millay vs. H.D.
Battle of the Titans. :)
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:11 PM
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31. Very well done, that is if I understand what was truly meant by your words
Just kidding, really, that is what I mean, I was kidding and so on.

Your last paragraph reminds me of my thoughts that were summed up by a physicist who reportedly said, “There should be a death penalty for anyone that comes up with a particle smaller than a charm.” Wonderful term is nitpicking.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:41 PM
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20. kick
because I learned something from this thread

hats off to the philisophers at DU!
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:30 PM
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38. Da doo doo doo, da da da da....Sting's song about Derrida, methinks
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:57 PM
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24. This haunts me, much as I allow things to scare me from under the bed.
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 06:01 PM by sfexpat2000
Eliot, in that founding essay (whatever it was, can't get to my books, my hubby is asleep in the book room -- does it have woods or forrest or other green leafy erectile figures in the title?) claims that his theory is based on reason, that it is rational. That he worked it out in the privacy of his mind.

Meanwhile in his published letters to his mum, a letter appears that describes the founding metaphor coming to him in dream.

:shrug:


On edit: Aha! "The Sacred Wood"



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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:25 PM
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27. Here's a topic you won't find and FreakRepublik! n/t
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:47 PM
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29. Actually, I've searched for pomo/post-structuralist discussion
on FR, to see what they have to say. I have a particular disdain for right-wing religious philosophers, and I thought that those threads would be a good place to find man-on-the-street opinions from the Christian Right (thank goodness I don't know any, in real life) -- and they discuss it, from time to time. Same old shit -- Derrida didn't believe in God, moral relativism, disbelief in evil, rejection of absolutes -- all their stupid bullshit.

But what I found fascinating was a post, in a thread about Derrida's death, where the America-Hating poster said that Derrida would join the ranks of other "useless philosophers," such as Voltaire, Rousseau, and some others. In other words -- the fathers of Enlightenment philosophy, which was the inspiration for THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR FUCKING COUNTRY and an inspiration to the framers WHO WROTE OUR FUCKING CONSTITUTION.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


The Christian Right are snakes that hate America!!!

(Of course, I'm not really sure that I believe this, being a postmodernist, and all....;))
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:31 PM
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32. Nietzsche is peachy but
Sartre is smarter



;-)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:47 PM
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33. Oh, my. I am about to waste a lot of time.
I will start by saying that I am very fond of Derrida. The OP asks whether or not anyone understands Derrida. According to Derrida's language game, he can not be understood, in himself, nor can his words be understood in themselves. As such, I don't claim to understand Derrida. I do, however, derive value from reading Derrida. I think others can derive value from his works as well. I honestly doubt that the OP wants to understand Derrida or derive value from him. That's why I feel like I am about to waste my time. Nevertheless, I feel compelled to do so.

Derrida argues that language is self-referential. Just look at a dictionary for proof. Every word that we know depends for its meaning on other words which, in turn, are defined by other words. Thus, if you read Derrida's words, all you're getting from them is words, and more words--never understanding, never truth, and never reality. Just words. Thus, you can not understand "Derrida," a person who exists beyond his own words. All you can begin to understand is language. What's more, you can't even truly understand language, because the meaning of words is always fluid and contextual. They have different meanings to different people in different places and in different times. Meaning, itself, is very individualized and never universal. In order to "understand" Derrida, his words would have to have some fixed, eternal meaning. Words can never be like that. Thus, understanding is impossible. Derrida can not be understood.

Does this mean that language is useless? Certainly not. Words shape the world, as did our Constitution. The fact that we continue to argue, to this day, about the meaning of the Constitution proves Derrida's point. If we could "understand" the Constitution, then it would have one, permanent, and universal meaning. Nobody would be arguing about it. The fact that we argue about it proves that meaning is historical, individualized, and that "understanding" is not possible in language.

Hope that makes sense. Could you understand me? :rofl:

-Laelth
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:56 PM
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34. If a philosopher mentally mastur....oh, no...it's too easy.
My question would be-- need we?

If a philosopher spews forth in the woods, does it make a rat's ass of a difference?
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:11 PM
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36. So was it Derrida who made up all those email subject lines spammers use?
Like: "Re: stargaze boilerplate child hen"

and inside, there is an add to increase your penis size or decrease your mortgage...
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:15 PM
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37. rofl
n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:48 PM
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40. .
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 10:52 PM by Stephanie


:)



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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:56 PM
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41. Was that an attempt to not be self referential?
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:10 PM
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43. It's just undesirable to understand Derrida.

I think it's rather nicely melodic writing, myself.

It's a conjecture to postulate that reality is unknowable and incommunicable. Everything else fails to follow from that. :-)



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