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Thu Feb-23-06 04:57 PM
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Why South Dakota won't allow abortion in cases of incest |
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Thu Feb-23-06 04:59 PM
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1. This fat fuck probably thinks this song |
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:02 PM
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5. And loves the story of Lot in the Bible. |
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I hated that story as a kid. Hated it. I could never find a verse that said it was sinful but mothers and sons were mentioned; as was seeing your nekid parents. Crazy. If I had his kid I'd head to North Dakota.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:03 PM
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I'd have been dead by my own hand a long time ago.
And gratefully so.
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Thu Feb-23-06 07:04 PM
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58. Then we would've never heard from you or your sage advice. |
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If anyone somehow allowed herself to become impregnated by that fat fuck - and I'm even talking about getting knocked up via that apocryphal public toilet seat, you got that? - she was never anyone to whom you should pay attention.
But ain't you sweet?
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Thu Feb-23-06 09:15 PM
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66. Right and don't forget |
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Lot also offered his daughters to some strangers on their trail. Don't forget how Adam and Eve and their kids populated: with each other. But gay marriage is so wrong. :eyes: (Side note: I'm a Christian who never got that either)
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Fri Feb-24-06 11:51 AM
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75. Actually, there were other people on the Earth, but |
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they were the ones evolving into humans!!! Adam and Eve were from another planet and their spaceship wasn't able to get back. Heh, heh!
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:54 AM
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71. you are aware, aren't you |
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that there is no incest involved in that song? A man marries a widow who has a grown daughter. That grown daughter marries his dad. Kinda strange arrangement, but not incestuous biologically. Say 25 year old man marries a 48 year old woman with a 32 year old daughter who later marries his 44 year old dad.
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but it just seemed to fit right then.
I'm not sure a song about incest would really have become a classic like that one did.
We lawyers tend to enjoy songs like "I'm My Own Grandpa." It's a hymn to the legal system, actually.
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Thu Feb-23-06 04:59 PM
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2. tasteless post. Do we really need to go there to make a point? n/t |
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:05 PM
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11. Yes, we do. They are pro-rapist. |
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13. You probably won't like this, either. |
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:23 PM
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18. I don't think any apologies are needed for speaking the truth. |
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:35 PM
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21. Nor are lies. I agree the law is anti-rape victim; but still... |
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It's a bad law. It's a very bad law and I expect it'll get smacked down even by this Supreme Court. But it really is beyond the pale to suggest that state reps who voted for this law did so so that they could rape their own daughters. I tend not to find rape jokes funny or amusing or even enlightening--even when they support my side of the debate. Perhaps it's just being the father of a 15 year old girl, but this doesn't sell our message, only vents an unhealthy sarcasm.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:07 PM
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30. ANY man who would refuse |
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to allow an abortion in cases of rape or incest is a man with a mentallity not far removed from my pointed picture.
Also, I am NOT so sure this Supreme Court will have a problem with the law. They *might* overturn it becuase of this exclusion, but signal that they will accept the law with the exclusion.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:11 PM
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34. The Alito strategy is the one they'll go with. Take Roe down in 3-5 chunks |
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That makes a lot more sense than saying pro-Lifers are pro-Rape. If we want to survive the next 30 year of jurisimprudence* we're going to need to start thinking strategically, not apocalyptically.
(*I just made that word up, altho I bet someone else has coined it before me)
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:22 PM
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You should get it copyrighted. It'll be everywhere soon--like "truthiness".
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:23 PM
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47. This country will NOT survive this court. |
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Once the administration is prosecuted, everything they have done must be UNDONE. Alito should be impeached for lying to the Senate Judiciary committee. Scalia and Thomas should be impeached for Bush v. Gore, since there is pleanty of evidence that the decision was made for personal reasons, not legal ones.
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Thu Feb-23-06 09:17 PM
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Fri Feb-24-06 12:56 PM
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76. Could we impeach these clowns? |
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Yes, but it will take a spine, and the Vichy Dems will have to be tossed out and replaced with vertibrates.
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:48 AM
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70. that is, of course, completely illogical |
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There are still, in SD, criminal penalties for rape and incest. However, those are not visited upon the children of rape or incest. If a person believes, as many Americans do, that only God creates life and that it is sacrilege to destroy what God has created. That may be superstitious nonsense, but it is hardly support of either rape or incest.
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Sat Feb-25-06 10:46 AM
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81. The people who hold such exclusionary views |
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are a VERY SMALL minority of the total population. The view that women may not control their own bodies, that they are simply incubators who must never destroy something a man put in them, is a very sick and twisted view of women and sexuality. Whenever I have encountered these viewpoints it didn't stop there. I found men who believed that women are not "raped" unless they did something wrong, and this applied to children as well.
Religion is at best a neurosis, at worst a severe psychotic disorder.
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Sat Feb-25-06 01:37 PM
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86. There is a lot of sickness and perversion among fundies |
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The picture in the OP is compelling and gets the point across. I mean, it's obvious by this man's appearance that he has ZERO impulse control when it comes to food. What else can't he control?
He needs to get that beam of gluttony out of his eye before he goes any further claiming any moral high ground.
As for the "God creates life" crap with which you just contended, I wonder if many people realize how many fertilized eggs are washed away every month. Only a tiny fraction of these zygotes actually make it to birth. What does god have against all those little "babies?"
In the case of incest, anyone who would force a young girl or woman to bear a child born of rape by a family member is AN ANIMAL.
No exceptions. They are ANIMALS.
You are right on the money, Honey. :yourock:
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:53 PM
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I was referring to the coat hanger poster not the pic in the original OP.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:28 PM
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49. That is an excellent ad and a serious wake up call |
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sad to say it is happening again in the US and all because half this country is asleep at the polls and too lazy to figure out the substance behind the issues.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:03 PM
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Tasteless? Maybe. But I from my own experience people like this asshole have a twisted sexual psyche making the viewpoint not as "out there" as you would think.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:52 PM
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54. sorry, I'm still not convinced this ad is appropriate. |
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Although I do support a woman's right to choose, the implication that anyone who doesn't is a rapist and child molester is preposterous. Ignorant and a heartless fool? absolutely! Rapist and child molester, I dont think so.
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it's not an "ad", its a political cartoon.
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Fri Feb-24-06 02:27 AM
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73. Usually I would agree with you, but on this case yes |
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Sorry, they call us murderers.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:00 PM
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:00 PM
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4. I just love when a government full of men want to decide what is |
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the best course of action in a PRIVATE medical situation.
Just back off people, and stay out of my uterus!
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:03 PM
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6. Yeah, especially when... |
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...it was a Democrat WOMAN that sponsored the bill.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:05 PM
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10. Yeah, I saw that she was involved and my mouth just dropped open. I mean |
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even my conservative evangelical minister FIL believes in abortion in cases of rape and incest.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:50 PM
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25. She can carry and bear every |
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fetus or embryo that someone else doesn't want. Let's implant them into her. She seems to have volunteered.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:08 PM
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32. It seems to me that if evangelicals can create all kinds of |
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wacky constitutional amendments, why not encourage some folks in South Dakota to propose a constitutional amendment requiring just that? After all, we can start debates too. . .we don't always have to play defense with the "war on Christmas" crowd. . .
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Sat Feb-25-06 11:16 AM
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82. I plan to do just that |
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Coming soon: Letters (Not emails!) to every legislator in SD, tailored to whether or not they voted for this ban, demanding free health care for all pregnant women and all children, a constitutional amendment to create all age-related laws take effect nine months prior to a citizen's due date (you'll get to vote at age 17+3 months), free contraceptives and accurate info on how to use them widely available and advertized with the same zeal as a candidate running for office.
This is just a beginning. I expect to spend a lot on stamps. Letters are far more effective than email in my opinion.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:07 PM
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31. Another Vichy Democrat |
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:15 PM
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40. No, it was a Democratic woman. |
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Not a Democrat woman. Please, don't use THEIR language.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:24 PM
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48. Yeah she's obviously VERY Democratic |
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The term I used was correct. The PARTY is the Democratic Party a member there of is a Democrat.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:30 PM
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50. No, you're usage was incorrect. |
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She is a woman Democrat, or a Democratic woman. She is NOT a Democrat woman. That is a right-wing meme, and does not need to be propagated by progressives.
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51. Its two consecutive nouns and I'll |
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put them in any order I damn well please.
What I will NOT do. EVER. Is apply the adjective Democratic to anyone that would support, let alone sponsor this filthy fucking obscene undemocratic legislation.
Clear enough?
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:36 PM
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52. Yes, your obstinate refusal to use correct grammar is quite clear. |
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Glad to see you owning it.
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Thu Feb-23-06 07:29 PM
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59. Maybe she sees Single Fertile Woman as a Threat..... |
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And the fear of pregnancy is the only thing that keeps them from raping perfectly docile and faithful husbands.
Abortion and Birth Control are the biggest threats to the Taming of Women....do you think that a 'tamed' woman has great hostility toward those who aren't and as a result want deny them their reproductive freedom?
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9. Without an invitation, |
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delivered in person, you are not welcome there.
I wonder why vasectomies aren't illegal. I mean, all those poor, disenfranchised sperm.
And hand jobs?
What about blowjobs?
Jerking off?
Oh, the sins, the sins ......................
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14. I am suprised they haven't found a way to outlaw menstruation given that |
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it means a poor little egg is losing its life.
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Good little Marthas concieve promptly. If we're not getting knocked up enough, we just may be *gasp* having sex for fun. :scared:
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24. You're not allowed to enjoy sex. Big Brother said so. |
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29. SD moderates: Enjoy it but then deny it was enjoyable. n/t |
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:04 PM
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8. What about not allowing abortion in cases of rape? |
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"Why should we punish a rapist by killing his child?" Can't remember where I read that at.
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12. I can think of a lot of ways |
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to punish a rapist.
So can the legal system.
Since when did old white guys get in on that game?
This guy's being played for a fool - he's just the front guy in the movement to overrule Roe.
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16. "Why should we punish a rape victim by forcing her to carry to term |
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a fetus from whom every kick is being raped all over again?" --Me
You'll note only the babies and the men rate here... to hell with the women, right? x(
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:17 PM
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17. If the state is going to abuse rape victims, why not abuse the rapist by |
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doing something to HIS sexual being--let's see...,cutting off his penis???
I am so pissed about this CRAP!!!!
I really want to set up that "woman smuggling" underground railroad to "safe states" NOW, NOW, NOW. Right NOW!!!! Get it into place ahead of what the next round of abuse from the legislatures and the courts bring to us. Women are now being treated like Bushco treats women in 3rd world countries--as chattel.
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when I hear men trying to dictate on women’s health issues.
It truly angers me.
Butt Out Buster!
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:29 PM
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19. You must be crazy. It's the WOMAN who has to bear this child. |
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I feel helpless rage when I read stupid posts like yours.
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Bush to The Hague!
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:14 PM
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38. Errr, I think the poster |
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was making a point about the stupidity of that point of view, not endorsing it.
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72. I hope you're right... |
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:13 PM
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37. Possibly to their way of thinking |
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If she get's pregnant it ain't rape, it's "God's will" and she'll have to marry the rapist.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:08 PM
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15. ...or rape. Who are these people? |
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CNN reported that a poll showed 66% of the people polled did NOT want Roe V Wade overturned.
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Thu Feb-23-06 05:45 PM
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23. Even *with* an exception for rape or incest, it would be a horrible law. |
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All women should have access to safe first trimester abortions for whatever reasons they deem necessary. None should have to give her reason to anyone. Even if there were an exception for rape and/or incest, why should a rape victim have to petition the court for the right to an abortion and have to relive her rape all over again - or worse, have to "prove" it to someone before she can obtain an abortion?
It all comes down to the privacy issue.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:01 PM
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But I was in a foul mood and wanted to zero in on the rape/incest issue and highlight the type of people we are dealing with.
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36. Yes, it is a bad law and it seems like the sort of thing we've |
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been seeing all along--"just accept this, and you'll preserve what REALLY matters"....a lot like the Democrats in DC on judges, privacy, etc. etc.
It keeps shifting us away from the core of what is principled and over to "the other side"...as far as what everyone begins to think of as "acceptable."
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:04 PM
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28. Bring it on...but at great loss to innocents--reality versus reality. |
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Well, the "morans" have their way. A state of .5 million people thinks it can wag the dog. And a court of five cultivated, manicured (in some cases) neocons thinks it wan wag the dog.
I remember when abortion was legalized.
I remember why it was legalized.
I was in NY State when a brave member of the state legislature stood up and changed his vote to legalize abortion because he knew why it needed to be legalized.
When you sow the wind, you risk reaping the whirlwind.
Get ready right wing, you're in for the ass kicking of you lives. You were warned.
On edit: Recommended. Brilliant Kevin!!!
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at Lieberman and ALL the Vichy Dems who refused to fillibuster.
I had to channel my anger and this asshole stuck his nose out.
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:24 AM
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69. Good useof anger. The neoRepukes are just awful. 19 or so Dems... |
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As I said about them in some post somewhere:
What is their major malfunction?
The tragedy is what will happen. The benefit is that NO choice is just as unacceptable now as it was when it was changed way back. LIEberman will pay because you just know what they'll do on partial birth. They are disgusting. I share your sentiments and your photoshop is great:)
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http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_02_19_atrios_archive.html#114070492352500754South Dakota South Dakota has passed a clearly unconstitutional abortion ban. Presumably a lawsuit will be filed and a federal court will toss the law out, the only question being whether Roberts and Strip Search Sammy will then decide to hear the case. I've long thought that if Roe goes then the boycotting of states which ban abortion would be a moral imperative. I see no reason to visit states which claim they own the deed to my wife's uterus. -Atrios
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:14 PM
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39. Won't load for me. nt |
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The 'net is very congested today.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:17 PM
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42. It's not that far-fetched |
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Nicholas Elizondo, Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children.
I'm not sure why the initial post is deemed especially offensive. Lawmakers DO rape their daughters. I'm not suggesting they do it at a higher or lower rate than the rest of the population, but it's undeniable that it happens. Likewise, men that molest their daughters are apt to molest their granddaughters.
It's a pretty safe bet that this law will result in at least one man raping his daughter, and then raping the resulting child. It's not a stretch at all.
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44. I would love to do a serious |
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study of child abuse/rape/incest. I would bet a kidney that conservatives are by far the more frequent perps. Their sick and twisted view of sex just plays into such things.
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Thu Feb-23-06 06:46 PM
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53. An interesting flip to it |
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Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 06:47 PM by MountainLaurel
Regarding a link between victims and conservatism. I once read an interview with a convicted child molester in which he noted that he often targeted the children of strict, "conservative" parents, after watching parents and child interact within the neighborhood, at parks, etc. Why? Because these children had been taught (usually had it beat into them from an early age) to always obey adults and other authority figures, glommed on to any adult who showed them kindness, rarely had any knowledge about normal sexuality or how their bodies worked, had no sense that they were allowed to say no to unwanted behavior toward them, did not see their parents as willing to protect and believe them, and were scared to death of getting in trouble with their parents.
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Thu Feb-23-06 07:41 PM
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60. Well...there have been studies on homophobic men |
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(who are usually of the republican cloth) and they get much more sexually excited than non-homophobes when looking at gay porn. I wish I had the damn link....sorry.
But it's all about 'thou dost protest too much......'
And regarding these states like S. Dakota and boycotting them......I think it would be better to find out what corporations are there and boycott those....I believe that Credit Card companies are headquarted in S.Dak. due to the usury laws. We could easily boycott a certain companies' credit cards! That would hit them in the pocketbook real fast!!!!
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Fri Feb-24-06 02:33 AM
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It's a statistical inevitability- if not in South Dakota, then in the various other states that will adopt laws like this once Casey is overruled- which it will be. (Planned Parenthood v. Casey is the controlling case- despite "common knowledge," Roe is no longer good law).
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Thu Feb-23-06 07:01 PM
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I thought you were "tasteful"....!
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Thu Feb-23-06 08:00 PM
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62. Incest exception is so necessary |
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If these bastards want to ban abortion, then they at least have to have an incest exception.
Incest results in really retarded kids a large percentage of the time.
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Thu Feb-23-06 08:04 PM
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63. I hope all the men on this site... |
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who told us over and over that we didn't have to worry because they'd never really try to outlaw abortion feel like the shit heels they are right now.
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Thu Feb-23-06 09:19 PM
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68. Nice to see ya, VelmaD! |
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Sorry it's over this. :( The men who should feel like that probably don't.
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Sat Feb-25-06 11:25 AM
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83. Actually, many women continue to say over and over... |
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that abortion is none of a man's business. If that is the case, I've asked before, why should I make it a priority for me? Now, when everybody is panicking over South Dakota, we're expected to fight, fight, fight for abortion, but just last week it was none of a man's business.
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Thu Feb-23-06 09:00 PM
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65. Mormon Bleed? into other states? Their attitude has "spilled?" n/t |
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:14 PM
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77. actually I prey that they do end abortion. it will just hasten the mass |
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exodus from the midwest to the coastal areas, where most people will vote liberal/progressive. think about it with all of that red showing on the map of the US. Dems only need 17 seats in the house, and what 5 or 6 in the senate.
these nuts will push out their young by taking away peoples rights, and they will commit their own deaths.
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:39 PM
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78. Suggested economic protest |
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Fri Feb-24-06 01:44 PM
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79. Harsh, but not out of line--- |
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While this post is a little bit on the extreme side, I think the OP definitely has a point. This kind of thing does happen, and for the legislators in SD who voted for this law--what the hell made them think that it is in any way moral or right to force a girl/woman to give birth to the child of her abuser?
Something just isn't right there...
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Sat Feb-25-06 12:29 PM
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84. Because, if there were no children of incest, there would be no |
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legislature in South Dakota. It's personal with them.
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Sat Feb-25-06 12:37 PM
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85. Rape and incest are the female's fault |
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Didn't you know? It is women and girls who bring rape and incest on themselves. The innocent men are victims of a female's wiles. It's soooo obvious. :sarcasm:
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