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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:13 PM
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The CIA's Pain Project
This is a very important and informative interview regarding the so-called "torture light" that happened at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. As Dr. McCoy points out, psychological torture of the type inflicted on prisoners at these facilities is known by the CIA to be the most effective at "breaking down" the prisoner -- in other words, sensory disorientation and self-inflicted pain are not "torture light" but they can, in fact, be a very harmful form of torture.

http://alternet.org/story/32638/




Amy Goodman: A new expose gives an account of the C.I.A.'s secret efforts to develop new forms of torture, spanning half a century. It reveals how the C.I.A. perfected its methods, distributing them across the world, from Vietnam to Iran to Central America, uncovering the roots of the Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo torture scandals.

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AM: Look at the most famous of photographs from Abu Ghraib, of the Iraqi standing on the box, arms extended with a hood over his head and the fake electrical wires from his arms, OK? In that photograph you can see the entire 50-year history of C.I.A. torture. It's very simple. He's hooded for sensory disorientation, and his arms are extended for self-inflicted pain. And those are the two very simple fundamental C.I.A. techniques, developed at enormous cost.

From 1950 to 1962, the C.I.A. ran a massive research project, a veritable Manhattan Project of the mind, spending over $1 billion a year to crack the code of human consciousness, from both mass persuasion and the use of coercion in individual interrogation. They tried LSD, mescaline, all kinds of drugs. They tried electroshock, truth serum, sodium pentathol. None of it worked. What worked was very simple behavioral findings, outsourced to our leading universities -- Harvard, Princeton, Yale and McGill -- and the first breakthrough came at McGill. It's in the book.

AG: Describe it.

AM: Dr. Donald O. Hebb of McGill University, a brilliant psychologist, had a contract from the Canadian Defense Research Board, which was a partner with the C.I.A. in this research, and he found that he could induce a state of psychosis in an individual within 48 hours. It didn't take electroshock, truth serum, beating or pain. He had student volunteers sit in a cubicle with goggles, gloves and headphones, earmuffs, so that they were cut off from their senses, denied sensory stimulation. Within 48 hours, they would suffer, first hallucinations, then ultimately breakdown. And if you look at many of those photographs, they show people with bags over their head.The photographs of the Guantánamo detainees look exactly like those student volunteers in Dr. Hebb's original cubicle.

The second major breakthrough that the C.I.A. had came here in New York City at Cornell University Medical Center, where two eminent neurologists under contract from the C.I.A. studied Soviet K.G.B. torture techniques. They found that the most effective K.G.B. technique was self-inflicted pain. You simply make somebody stand for a day or two. And as they stand, you tell them, "You're doing this to yourself. Cooperate with us, and you can sit down." As they stand, the fluids flow down to the legs, the legs swell, lesions form, they erupt, they suppurate, hallucinations start, the kidneys shut down.

Several of those photos you just showed, one of them with a man with a bag on his arm, his arms are straight in front of him, people are standing with their arms extended, that's self-inflicted pain. And the combination of those two techniques -- sensory disorientation and self-inflicted pain -- is the basis of the C.I.A.'s technique.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:20 PM
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1. OK, but where do the dogs fit into this picture? I'm sure that the
methods described here would work, but I'm also sure that the methods employed at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo far exceeded the ones stated in this interview.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:26 PM
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2. Sure, they exceeded these methods
but the point is that this torture (like the box on the head with the arms outstretched) was not some prank by an ignorant "frat boy." Instead, this is proof that they were probably instructed on these well-known and effective CIA torture methods.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:35 PM
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3. Exactly the point! These were professional torturers...
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:42 PM
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5. I've always thought that the "frat boy" and "few bad apples"
analogy was just a way to shift blame away from those in command. The Lynndie Englunds of this world don't do these things openly unless they have orders or at least consent from their commanding officers. The words accountability and personal responsiblity do not extend to those who ordered and condoned these actions and they will likely never be punished for their crimes.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:38 PM
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4. Drugs, esp. Heroin, fund and moneylaunder...and everyone takes a cut
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 12:39 PM by EVDebs
from the drugs and the money. Even Congress. They don't call this black ops stuff for nothing. It's all 'off the books', despite Constitution requiring funding originate in the House of Reps. Shoot, whole CIA buildings have gone up off the record, sotospeak. Occassionally some reporter will inquire a piece will be done but nothing of substance. Meanwhile DOD can't account for $2.3 TRILLION dollars (2002).

Oh, you said DOGS, I thought you said DRUGS LOL !
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:12 PM
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7. I think the dogs are presented as a cultural insult initially.
There's the fear, of course, but they fine tuned the torture to include the victims' religious beliefs.
Same with the menstrual blood.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:02 PM
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6. One defense
Disobedient apathy. Disobey and don't care
Sit regardless of thier threats and beating.Lay in a fetal position and force them to maintain your standing.Be like a listless rag doll.

Lucid dreaming,take the psychosis and play with it.
It's a techique. It takes the fear of losing self out of losing it.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:13 PM
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8. when humans lose their humanity, we're doomed . . . n/t
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