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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:35 PM
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A Bench With A View (Part #2)

A Bench With A View (Part #2)
Section #1 – The Indictments

{A} "9. On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. LIBBY understood that the Vice President had learned this information from the CIA."
-- USA v. I. Lewis Libby; Indictment 05-394; 10-28-05; page 5

In order to consider the significance of the February '06 events in the Scooter Libby case, including documentation of motions filed in court by both Team Libby and Patrick Fitzgerald, it might be beneficial to review the five indictments that "Scooter" faces. First, we will examine the highlights of the "time line" Fitzgerald included in the indictments, and then a brief review of each of the five charges.

The Time Line

1-28-03: President Bush includes the infamous "16 words" in his State of the Union address, claiming that there is evidence that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was seeking to purchase yellow cake uranium for WMD production. This claim was the single most important factor in the Bush administration's bringing the nation to war in Iraq.

5-6-03: New York Times reporter Nicholas Kristof ‘s column noted that an unnamed former ambassador had been sent to Niger to investigate the yellow cake charges, and that he had reported back to the CIA and State Department in early 2002 that “the allegations were unequivocally wrong …”

5-29-03: Libby asks an Under Secretary of State about the former ambassador’s trip to Niger; oral reports on Joseph Wilson are made to Libby.

6-9-03: The CIA faxes reports to the Office of the Vice President, to the attention of Libby and one other person, regarding the Niger trip. The reports are clearly marked “classified.” They do not mention Wilson by name; however, Libby and the other official write “Wilson” and “Joe Wilson” in the margins.

6-11-03: The Under Secretary of State tells Libby that Plame is CIA.

6-11-03: Libby then talks to a senior CIA official about Wilson and Plame.

6-12-03: VP Cheney tells Libby that Plame is from the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division.

6-14-03: Libby meets with a CIA briefer to express his displeasure at reports the CIA did not support all of VP Cheney’s claims on Iraqi WMD programs. Libby also discuses Wilson and Plame.

6-19-03: The New Republic publishes an article “The First Casualty: The Selling of the Iraq War.” It quotes a former ambassador as saying the administration “knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie.”

6-13-03: Libby meets with Judith Miller. They discuss Wilson and Plame.

7-6-03: Wilson’s op-ed appears in the NY Times; Wilson appears on Meet the Press, and says that he believes VP Cheney was aware of his Niger report.

7-7-03: Libby meets with Ari Fleischer and tells him that Plame is CIA.

7-8-03: Libby speaks with Miller about Plame; he requests that she refer to him as a “former Hill staffer,” rather than senior White House official, in order to hide his identity.

7-8-03: Libby meets with the Council to the Vice President to discuss Plame and Wilson.

7-8-03: The Assistantto the Vice President for Public Affairs tells Libby that Plame is CIA.

7-10-03: Libby calls Tim Russert to complain about Chris Matthew’s reporting on the Plame case.

7-11-03: Libby talks to Rove about Karl’s conversation with Robert Novak about Plame.

7-12-03: Libby flies to Norfolk, VA on AF2; on the ride back, Cheney and Libby discuss their Plame-media strategy. Later that day, Libby talks to both Matt Cooper and Judith Miller about Plame.

9-26-03: The FBI begins investigating the leak of Plame’s identity.

10-14-03 and 11-26-03: Libby talks to FBI investigators.

3-5-04 and 3-24-04: Libby testifies to the grand jury.

{B} “13. Shortly after publication of the article in The New Republic, LIBBY spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article. The official asked LIBBY whether information about Wilson’s trip could be shared with the press to rebut the allegations that the Vice President had sent Wilson. LIBBY responded that there would be complications at the CIA in disclosing that information publicly, and that he could not discuss the matter on a non-secure telephone line.”
-- Libby Indictment; page 6

Patrick Fitzgerald filed 5 indictments against I. Lewis Libby. Count #1 is Obstruction of Justice; counts #2 and #3 are for making False Statements; and counts #4 and #5 are for Perjury. The first three are for lying to the FBI investigators, while the last two are for lying to the grand jury. The lies include his denying that he spoke to Miller or Cooper about Valerie Plame, and for making up a conversation with Russert in which he claims Russert told him that most of the Washington DC area reporters were aware of Plame’s role at the CIA.

Section #2 – Team Libby

{A} “The government’s argument … is entirely unconvincing.”
-- Libby Defense Brief; 2-21-06; page 1

In examining the Team Libby defense, it may be beneficial to break it down into three segments. The first of these three is weak. It is an effort to avoid the serious issues involved by way of attacks on the integrity of Fitzgerald and his case. Most people who read newspapers or watch tv are aware, for example, that one of the more curious motions to dismiss the case claimed that Fitzgerald’s role was unconstitutional. One suspects that this could not have come from the attorneys that comprise Team Libby, for all are intelligent, capable lawyers. It sounds more like the ranting of people who are {a} unfamiliar with the U.S. Constitution, and {b} very angry that Mr. Fitzgerald was appointed to the case. That sounds like those connected to the Vice President’s office, who did not realize that after Attorney General Ashcroft decided to recuse himself, and James Comey appointed Patrick Fitzgerald, that the case would become this generation’s Watergate. More, they likely did not realize that Comey was friends with Wilson, and hence their feeling betrayed by Fitzgerald’s being appointed.

Team Libby’s 2-21-06 brief betrays their need to resort to insults, rather than argue the merits of the case. After calling Fitzgerald’s case “entirely unconvincing,” they make the following references:

--“three phantom concerns” p.1
-- “insulting”p.1
-- “the prosecution baldly asserts” p.1
-- “fundamentally inconsistent with basic principles of fairness” p.3
--“straw man” p.3
--“weaknesses of the government’s case” p.3
--“the government merely rehashes the same unpersuasive arguments” p.4
-- “it is astounding for the government to assert” p.8
-- “transparent attempt to force the defense” p.9
--“This is unreasonable” p.9
--“If the government were truly concerned” p.11
--“That argument is puzzling” p.12
--“unfairly penalizes” p.19
--“presents no conceivable threat to national security” p.19
--“The government also relies on a mistaken application” p.19

{B} “….penalizing Mr. Libby for serving in a position that required him to address urgent national security matters every day.”
-- Team Libby; 2-21-06 defense brief; page 2

The next goal of the defense attorneys appears to be to portray “Scooter” as a victim. This will be the strategy, should the case ever go to trial. It is also a strategy that will be used for appeals of the convictions that will certainly result from a trial.

On page 2, Team Libby claims that the “prosecution’s attempt to limit the defenses available” to Scooter. On page 8, they note “the information Mr. Libby seeks is necessary to prepare the defense based not only upon the state of mind, but also on the truth …” On page 12, the defense claims any lies Scooter told the FBI or grand jury were the “result of confusion, mistake or faulty memory.” Team Libby notes on page 14 that Scooter held three positions in the White House, thus he was “so focused on urgent national security matters, it is hardly surprising that he would later confuse, forget or misremember …. Less important topics (e.g., Ms. Wilson’s identity and employment status).”

On page 18, Team Libby says Fitzgerald “knows that a jury will likely understand that seeking to counter a terrorist threat that may kill tens of thousands of Americans” was Libby’s only goal. Yet this prosecutor has taken Scooter from this task – making Americans like those very jurors and their families safe from terrorists – simply because “he recalled certain events incorrectly or forgot snippets of conversation months after they occurred.” (page 22)

{C} “In a case that essentially pits Mr. Libby’s memory of certain conversations against the recollections of three reporters…”
--Team Libby; 2-21-06 defense brief; page 8

The Libby defense strategy goes beyond his selection of Theodore Wells, Jr. to appeal to the anticipated Washington DC jury. “Scooter Dogg” will become the dedicated public servant, who was overworked and underpaid, working 16-hour days to make America safe for the jurors and their families.

Team Libby has stated that they will bring experts on memory and cognition to explain how Scooter may have made innocent errors in his conversations with the FBI and the grand jury. Of course, every juror will know that anyone can honestly err and forget a detail or an entire conversation. Yet no expert can make a sincere case that a person, no matter how busy, will recall a conversation that never took place – and that is exactly what Scooter has done in regard to Tim Russert.

Thus, the defense is seeking to bring numerous journalists to court, to try to confuse the issues involved. This includes an attempt to call journalists who did not speak to Libby about the case. Again, Team Libby looks to use smoke and mirrors to take the focus off of Scooter. It will not work.

Section #3 – Fitzgerald’s Case

“(T)here is no general constitutional right to discovery in a criminal case. ..To the contrary, discovery in a criminal case is limited to that provided by statute, rule, or case law.”
--Fitzgerald; 2-16-06 motion; page 3.

Patrick Fitzgerald avoids personalizing the responses to the Team Libby motions. Instead, he keeps his Consolidated Response focused on the charges against Scooter Libby. A good example of this is found in his response to the defense request for information regarding Fitzgerald’s larger investigation of the role played by reporters who had no contact with Libby: “…information regarding reporters with whom the defendant had no contact, and reporters’ sources other than the defendant, is unlikely to ‘play an important role in uncovering admissible evidence, aiding witness preparation, corroborating testimony, or assisting impeachment or rebuttal.’ See Marshall, 132 F.3d at 68. The defendant is not charged with falsely characterizing what journalists knew prior to the July 14, 2003, as he contends. Instead, the indictment charges the defendant with lying about what he knew and did not know about Ms. Wilson, what reporters said and did not say to him, and what he said and did not say to reporters, prior to July 14, 2003. Given the nature of the charges, defendant’s legitimate defense must necessarily focus on the defendant’s state of mind, rather than that of others.” (pages 11-12)

Fitzgerald continues to tighten the noose on Libby by doing away with the defense claim that he is obligated to show that the act of exposing Plame’s identity caused damage to the CIA. Team Libby wanted to debate an “informal” damage assessment. The actual damage assessment is, of course, highly classified. More, it is irrelevant. Libby is not facing charges that he violated either the Espionage Act or the Intelligence Identities Act – at least not yet. But, even if he were, the prosecution has no burden to “prove actual damages, much less obtain, or produce, a damage assessment prior to trial. Actual damage is not an element of either substantive offense.” (pages 26-7)

Fitzgerald’s document demonstrates that Team Libby is attempting to take the focus off of their client’s lying to FBI investigators and the grand jury. He strips away not only their hope to expand the scope of the trial to include other non-related issues, but he closes the door on many of the attempts by the defense to interject issues to appeal, post conviction.

The only time Fitzgerald comments on the defense efforts quality is found on pages 24-5: “The defendant’s request to compel the production of approximately 277 PDBs from May 6, 2003 through March 24, 2004 to establish his ‘preoccupation defense’ is nothing short of breathtaking.” He makes pointed comments on the effort at “greymail,” which are a tactic used to derail sensitive cases by demanding classified documents.

Fitzgerald notes that the charges are not about a wider conspiracy, with other journalists or White House officials looking to discredit Ms. Plame. It is only about Scooter’s lying to the FBI and grand jury. It is not about WMD in Iraq, or about terrorist plots to kill thousands of American citizens, including potential jurors anmd their families. It is only about Scooter lying to the FBI and grand jury.

At the same time, Fitzgerald makes clear the need to protect the on-going grand jury investigation, that appears to be investigating the possibility that there was a larger conspiracy to out Plame in order to damage Joe Wilson.

Part #4: Conclusion

“According to my sources, between March 2003 and the appearance of my article in July, the workup on me that turned up the information on Valerie was shared with Karl Rove, who then circulated it in administration and neoconservative circles. That would explain the assertion later advanced by Clifford May, the neocon fellow traveler, who wrote that Valerie’s employment was supposedly widely known. Oh, really? I am not reassured by his statement. Indeed, if what May wrote was accurate, it is a damning admission, because it could have been widely known by virtue of leaks among his crowd.”
--Wilson; The Politics of Truth; pages 443-4

The court ruled that Fitzgerald must turn over more of Libby’s handwritten notes. However, the judge ruled that the defense is not entitled to information documenting another administration official who has testified to the grand jury about his role, including possibly discussing Plame’s identity with Bob Woodward and Robert Novak. This official is reportedly Steven Hadley.

Further, the judge delayed deciding on the PDB request, although his comments indicate he is unlikely to allow the defense to derail the trial in a long, drawn out conflict with the office of the president.

Team Libby has until 4-7 to subpoena journalists directly involved in the case; the journalists will have until 4-21 to file objections.

The single most important “update” was reported by TruthOut’s Jason Leopold on 2-24-06, in an article that indicated the White House turned over 250 previously missing “e-mails” which demonstrate the role VP Cheney may have played in the wider conspiracy to destroy Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:13 PM
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1. kick n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:25 PM
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2. No Wonder Poor Libby Is Confused
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 04:35 PM by Me.
Following your time line, he spent most of his time being told about V Plame and telling others about V Plame. They really should be asking him the dates when he wasn't spewing, that might clear it up for him>

"LIBBY spoke by telephone with his then Principal Deputy and discussed the article." Who was that?

In part 1, I posted an article that opined Tenet was the other leaker. I do no believe so. Your take?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:49 PM
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5. While it could be
Tenet, at least in regard to Novak, I do not think so. RawStory has identified Hadley as Woodward's source. I read their story very closely, and compared it to every other corporate media story. The others hinted at Dick Armitage without anything to support it as being other than speculation, or perhaps being led astray by the VP's office. Raw Story had mentioned it in a way I found interesting. I count sources, especially over a period of time. I'm fully confident that RawStory is on target.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:24 PM
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3. Team Libby has a giant sand dune in front of a wind tunnel
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 05:26 PM by Pithy Cherub
trying to permanently blind Fitzgerald. More and more the decision to not charge "Scoots Dawg" with violations of the Espionage Act or felony conspiracy is brilliant. Scooter wants to fight on a wider front and Fitzgerald has him dead to rights on his excess of fourishes and garnishes not the main meal.

Libby is working multiple angles to try his damndest to get a peak at Fitz's cards. Libby has been beautifully bluffed as well because if he predicates his defense on his being too busy yada yada, he is set up to be an impeachable entity for the charges to come. He is also a perfect illustration to the rest of WHIG neo-con cabal of what defenses they best not try either. More charges to come as Fitz turns the screws on Libby to get him to flip.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to decieve...
:popcorn:

Excellent as always, H20 Man:yourock:

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:43 PM
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4. It Is A Brilliant Strategy
They can't get over the fact that Libby hasn't been charged with espionage (yet). I bet they were ready and waiting, and then boom, got him on what can't be refuted with interpetation.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:50 PM
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6. I do not think
that Mr. Gonzales anticipated having to turn over the "missing" e-mails.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:57 PM
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7. How Could He Not?
Is he truly so bad a lawyer or did he think the brass knuckles would work?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:04 PM
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8. Actually, I am wondering whether Cheney was the email guard dog
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 06:06 PM by Pithy Cherub
as he stood to lose the most by having them turned over. Cheney also has shown a complete disregard of authority very publically lately and that is not a new invention. Chainsaw Cheney believes he actually is beyond the reach of any justice system not sanctioned by him. Cheney's malevolent behavior with the shooting et al, puts his character in question in a way that fFtz will be able to use to his advantage. And Rove may have turned and told them exactly where, when, why, who and how to look. :popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:05 PM
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9. "regime survival
is the ultimate priority of most systems -- we just don't know it in our own countries, yet."
-- George Galloway; page 45 of Mr. Galloway Goes to Washington

Just as the Nixon administration attempted to cling to executive privilege until the federal court system ordered them to turn over the tapes, this administration attempted to keep these hidden. Now the survival strategy changes.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:21 PM
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12. To What?
When does Libby followed by Rove get kicked to the curb? What's the next move on the chess board? Those emails Gonzo-ales holding back as classified, point the finger at B***?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:52 PM
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17. It might be important
to consider how the missing e-mails were found.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021506J.shtml
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:44 AM
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33. out of the VP and Oval office - circular firing squad
kicking for late morning crowd

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:54 PM
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29. This also fits with the unitary presidency
idea that * has adopted whole-hog with one modification--the Ch*ney split. I am sure that every denizen of the WH and Blair House thought that they could claim Exec. Privilege and the whole shooting match would be over. Unfortunately, they forgot they were using birdshot.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 05:58 AM
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31. Exactly.
The hive is the living entity. The hive is more important than any one bee. We have a neocon hive.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 11:34 AM
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36. It's time for the exterminators, but not
Bugman!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:38 PM
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10. Lovely Sunday afternoon reading.
Thanks. Have you any idea when Cheney's 6 or 7 visits to the CIA took place or where they fit in? This was, IMHO, when and where the info about Wilson and Plame was obtained. Here's the Ray McGovern piece about the visits: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0627-03.htm

Rec'd.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:44 PM
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14. Here's a clue:
"The tensions between the White House and the CIA had been rising steadily in the months before the Iraqi invasion, as CIA analysts complained about evidence being distorted or ignored, and the White Housepushed back with complaints about the quality of the intel they were getting. 'I know the analyst who was subjected to withering questioning on the Iraq-al-Qaeda links by Libby with the Vice President sitting there,' says a CIA analyst. "
-- The Rove Problem; Time, 7-25-05; page 29

And: "There had been a number of anonymous leaks to reporters from the intelligence community during the late spring and early summer of 2003, claiming that Vice President Cheney, his chief of staff, Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, and even former Speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich had pressured analysts to skew intelligence analyses to back up the administration's preconceived political intentions."
-- Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 6.

As we know that Newt was one of the WHIG meeting participants from March 2003 on, to discuss how to damage Wilson, there would appear to be an important overlap of tasks.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:05 PM
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27. From WaPo
Published June 5, 2003. Just before Libby leaks...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A15019-2003Jun4

Some Iraq Analysts Felt Pressure From Cheney Visits

By Walter Pincus and Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 5, 2003; Page A01

<snip>

Vice President Cheney and his most senior aide made multiple trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which some analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials.

With Cheney taking the lead in the administration last August in advocating military action against Iraq by claiming it had weapons of mass destruction, the visits by the vice president and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, "sent signals, intended or otherwise, that a certain output was desired from here," one senior agency official said yesterday.

Other agency officials said they were not influenced by the visits from the vice president's office, and some said they welcomed them. But the disclosure of Cheney's unusual hands-on role comes on the heels of mounting concern from intelligence officials and members of Congress that the administration may have exaggerated intelligence it received about Iraq to build a case for war.

While visits to CIA headquarters by a vice president are not unprecedented, they are unusual, according to intelligence officials. The exact number of trips by Cheney to the CIA could not be learned, but one agency official described them as "multiple." They were taken in addition to Cheney's regular attendance at President Bush's morning intelligence briefings and the special briefings the vice president receives when he is at an undisclosed location for security reasons.

<snip>

I suppose he was meeting with Feith (wasn't his "office" at the CIA?)? Also, the first two weeks of June were chock full of action. Libby receives then leaks the info and takes the time to dress down a CIA staffer who stumbled on to the truth, and wasn't in on the meeting.

Don't they get tired?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:11 PM
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11. Libby's Team Plans to Subpoena Media
Libby's Team Plans to Subpoena Media
Lawyers have said they intend to cast a wide net to raise doubts about testimony against him. Those called will have until April to respond.
By Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writer
February 25 2006

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said Friday that they soon planned to subpoena reporters and news organizations, and a federal judge set the stage for a showdown in late April on whether the media would have to comply with the subpoenas in order to afford the former White House aide a fair trial.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton also said a special prosecutor would have to turn over hundreds of pages of notes compiled by Libby while he was chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. But Walton put off a defense request that the prosecutor turn over highly classified presidential daily briefs that Libby received while in the White House.

His lawyers have said the daily briefs were crucial to showing that Libby was immersed in matters of state and didn't intentionally mislead investigators and a grand jury, as the government has alleged.

Libby, 55, was indicted in October on perjury and obstruction charges. Prosecutors contend he lied to authorities about his role in the July 2003 unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Libby told authorities that he first learned the identity of Plame from a television journalist; the government contends that he in fact deliberately acquired and disseminated information about Plame and her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former U.S. envoy who had criticized the Bush administration over the Iraq war.

more...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-libby25feb25,1,5790457.story?coll=la-news-politics-national
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:49 PM
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16. Handing over
Libby's hand-written notes seems fair enough. At this point, the judge seems to be doing well.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:58 PM
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23. Things do seem very well so far.
It was also good to read about Fitz receiving the 250 emails from the VP's office. I'm hoping to see another high-level resignation this year!
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:17 PM
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28. what is your guys take on this.
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 09:20 PM by stop the bleeding
Based on a previous conversation with H2O Man at his DC Burning thread, Mr. Hadley is a cooperating witness

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=516325&mesg_id=520757


So is the rest of WHIG also facing charges or do yo think that there are other members cooperating besides Hadley? Like Matalin, or Hughes?

We know that based on reports lately that Fitz has been focusing/concentrating his investigation on Cheney, what are the chances that Hadley's cooperation will land other prominent members of WHIG(Rove and Rice in addition to Cheney aka The 3 Amigos) behind bars for all of Fibby's charges plus ones related to conspiracy and leaking Plame's status?

Also what will Hadley's cooperation mean for Fibby?

Is Fibby facing more serious charges relating to conspiracy and leaking of Plame's status. Because of this possible added pressure from the extra charges, how likely do think that Fibby will be singing here in a little bit, based on Hadley, the new emails - his goose being cooked from the language in the indictment ect...

It just seems like to me that The 3 Amigos have too many variables stacked against them, and therefor they only have so many moves left in given amount of time. Things will start to unravel here soon after April once Fibby has his showdown about subpoenaing the reporters. He is gonna have to cooperate cause Fitz is gonna turn the screw a little tighter(cycling term). I think that there is a good possibility of sealed or soon to be sealed indictments for the 3 Amigos to be issued here this spring to early summer.

H2O Man can't wait for part III


on edit: another twist to throw into the cards being stacked against the 3 Amigos is Wurmser
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:27 PM
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13. Fitzgerald stays focused while Libby's lawyers
try to find more loopholes. Libby needs money to pay all these lawyers, I guess Bush or Cheney fund-raising is out of the question.

the continuing story. Thanks H2O man.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:47 PM
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15. It is interesting
to note that Brit Hume is one of the Libby defense fund big-wigs. Perhaps it is a coincidence that Newt Gingrich is a Fox personality. Small world. One would almost think that the "fair and balanced" station has an agenda.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 04:08 PM
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38. Libby is working for Hudson Institute
right wing think tank. I guess his skills are in demand regardless of his indictment.


"""Scooter Libby brings decades of experience to Hudson Institute that will strengthen our robust research efforts. We look forward to drawing on his expertise," said Hudson Institute Chairman Walter P. Stern.

In what must have been an oversight, the 300-plus word news release, which touted Libby's long career in public service, his academic qualifications and copious achievements, made no mention of the events that drove Libby from being a top player in the Bush Administration to becoming a think tanker.

If Libby manages to cop a plea -- or goes to trial and is convicted -- and is sentenced to hard time, it is not inconceivable that he either could continue with Hudson and shift his focus from issues related to the War on Terror to the benefits of prison privatization, or like Charles Colson before him, he could find a spiritual awakening and set up his own version of a prison ministry.""""

http://www.mediatransparency.org/story.php?storyID=105

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:55 PM
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18. Absolutely outstanding work!
--In his preparation for the Grand Jury appearance and preliminary discussions by his counsel with the Special P, Libby had every opportunity to cull through all of the aids de memoire available at the WH, including logs of visitors and email logs. He was well able to refresh his recollection of the entire series of events.

--His attorney(s) must sign the pleadings they submit, hence they have every opportunity to edit out the insults which they must surely understand will be perpetuated in who knows how many analyses of this case. In addition, they must realize how insulting they are to the judge. Surely they understand that the judge is capable of reading the subtext and finding it offensive.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:00 PM
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19. Right.
You don't do that. An attorney should not be insulting the opposing attorney. No one, least of all the judge, is going to think of Fitzgerald as a fool, or his work of being shallow. I thought that was in very poor taste. It was mildly surprising to find the little digs, page after page. I expected something different.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:05 PM
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20. It's totally unprofessional
and not the way the defense strategy should be approaching the development of their client for the court. They are simply amplifying his sleaze quality. For us, that's fine. From the point of view of what they are doing to undercut their case, it is a major mistake.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:59 PM
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24. I'm curious to know just whose personality is showing in the insulting
tack that Libby's defense has taken.

It definitely seems almost more like the work of a political message-crafter than a focused legal mind, and I can't help but think that Cheney, in order to control the mushrooming damage, has a hand in at least approving defense tactics. Likely he has deputized co-conspirator Gingrich to act as his consigliere in this matter. That might explain the childish tendency to be snippish that characterizes Libby's motion.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:04 PM
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26. Could be the work of Darth, but
it might also be the hand of Rove.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:08 PM
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21. Great work H20 !!!
I'll add that they new Plame was covert and they knew she was responsible for making them look like fools... theres more here with this cute blonde than meets the eye... She foiled them and they wanted revenge...

Rove Libby Cheney and Bush weakness is their tempers...

They are evildoers...
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 08:41 PM
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22. New Leopold Article
“However, a few weeks before Foley's meeting with the Senate committee, the Niger intelligence was beginning to unravel and threatened to expose the roles of Libby, Hadley, Joseph, Hannah, and Rove in getting the administration to rely upon it to build the case for war.

The sources said it was during this time that Libby, Hadley, Joseph, Hannah and Rove plotted to silence Wilson by leaking his wife's name to a specific group of reporters, saying that she chose him for the fact-finding mission to Niger and as a result his investigation was highly suspect. It's unclear what role, if any, Cheney played, but the sources said Fitzgerald is trying to determine if the vice president was involved.

The sources said Hannah is one of the cooperating witnesses in the probe.” cont…


http://www.counterbias.com/572.html
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:00 PM
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25. I think this is the same one more or less that was just published on
truthout.org

Keep it up, cause people would do themselves well to read it. It is full of all kinds of facts/summaries.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:14 AM
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32. Ambassador Wilson's role
with the congress is, of course, one of the things that caused the WHIG to freak. Let's turn to page 419 of his wonderful book:

"A few days after Rice's interview, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees announced that they were going to look into the prewar intelligence, including the uranium claim. I called the staffs of both committees and volunteered to brief them about my trip and findings. I ended up briefing them separately within a few days of each other in mid-June, disclosing what I knew to the appropriate oversight bodies."

When Dick, Scooter, and Newt put their heads together on this, the decision was made to destroy Wilson. His name was going to be made public, and a coordinated effort to discredit him was going to be put in motion. When he heard this, Mr. Wilson struck first with his NYT's op-ed and Meet the Press appearance.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:52 AM
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34. And When Does Newt Get His
Whig, K Street and more. When does this unelected official, who was in fact booted out of government get his due? In the Plame matter his name should be put out there.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 10:59 AM
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35. it would be ironic if Eye of Newt was a cooperating witness to both
the Abramoff and Plame investigations, I know it is just wishfull thinking, but talk about having the guy that holds a lot of the keys.

*sigh* one can dream
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 11:43 AM
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37. I had hoped
that Mr. O'Reilly from Fox News would respond to my request to be one of the "common folk" invited onto his show to debate. I wanted to debate Fox using Newt as an in-house "expert" on issues such as the Plame scandal, and the WMD-in-Iraq scandal, when he was clearly engaged in both issues as an active participant.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:22 AM
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30. .
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 04:31 PM
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39. Cheney On The Ropes?
Bear in mind this is a moonie publication.

Cheney seen retiring after midterm elections


“Vice President Dick Cheney is expected to retire within a year.”

“Mr. Cheney's next crisis could take place by the end of the year, the sources said. They said the White House was expecting Mr. Cheney to defend himself against charges from his former chief of staff, Lewis Libby, that the vice president ordered him to relay classified information. Such a charge could lead to a congressional investigation and even impeachment proceedings.

"Nothing will happen until after the congressional elections," a GOP source said. "After that, there will be significant changes in the administration and Cheney will probably be part of that."

Already, senators expect Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate whether Mr. Cheney authorized Mr. Libby to divulge classified material. Mr. Libby has told a grand jury that unnamed "superiors" directed him to relay the content of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq in July 2003.


"I don't think anybody should be releasing classified information, period, whether in the Congress, executive branch or some underling in some bureaucracy," said Sen. George Allen, Virginia Republican.” Cont…

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/cheney3.htm
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 04:39 PM
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40. waiting for the 2006 elections makes sense from the point of view
that the GOP will know who the strong leaders are, however keeping Cheney in office as this scandal grows over the coming months may deep six several of GOP's hopes for the 2006 elections.

Pretty risky right now keeping Dick on board, but imagine the whoopla if he was to retire or something.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 05:14 PM
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41. Six of one,
a half dozen on the other. I know that a growing number of republicans at the national level are saying they think he needs to step down by mid summer.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 05:20 PM
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42. I am stunned by the sheer childish "digs" they put the brief
about Fitzgerald. Wow. These folks really to exist in a different dimension. How on earth did they that that was in any way appropriate?

I find Fitz's triangulation to be delicious. He isn't allowing Libby to slip through any loopholes. :bounce:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:29 PM
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47. I've compared it to
their 1-26-06 "Motion of I. Lewis Libby to Compel Discovery of Information Regarding News Reporters and Organizations." That is 27 pages and has none of the petty nonsense found in the example I used in this OP.

I'm curious if the documents were authored by different people.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 05:39 PM
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43. I have to confess
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 05:41 PM by BelgianMadCow
the strategies employed by Fitzgerals are breathtaking. What a man and what a summary.

Maybe a link to part one would be in order.

Oh yeah, K&R as well. I don't think a lot of people can wrap their minds around the entire issue but we should all try.

On edit : too late for R, damn! These should have gotten over 20, must have missed this thread yesterday.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 05:57 PM
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44. Here's the first thread!
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:28 PM
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46. Thank you! Essential reading and some great links in thread 1
Again, not up to 20 votes? It's the n°1 story for me for a while now.

I really should get me a star too :-)

:hi: cat_girl25 and thanks
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:11 PM
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45. The emotive crap asserted by "Team Libby" will only serve to,...
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 06:12 PM by Just Me
,...piss off the Judge. I am beginning to understand the very, narrow legal path chosen by Fitz. He likely anticipated the antics that would be thrown out by these people and he had to keep the arena particularly tight.

Moreover, the investigation is still open and there's likely many players keeping a close eye on how this trial is unfolding. }(
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:35 PM
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48. many players keeping a close eye? LMAO
if those players are real good they read DU and H2Oman scares the hell out of 'em :evilgrin:

Nice understatement, keeping a close eye. More like Fitz looming so big in their crosshairs they see nothing else.


Fitzgerald will get there. Its up to us to make sure that it matters too.

Consider for example, that Cheney is implicated on a sunny summer day.

He may get thrown under a bus before he can shoot the driver.

Then it's up to us to remind everyone how Bush* "surrounded himself with experience", which was the reasoning behind Cheyey for VP if memory serves well.

HIS bad choice. HIS crony. HIS sellout.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 06:38 PM
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49. Yeah.
People want this scandal to reach a conclusion fast. It isn't going to. As the senior WH official gloated in 12-03, they brought earthmovers in to cover up this one. It is a long and complicated excavation. But, as I have been saying since mid-January, things are good.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 07:08 PM
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50. I like the way how you think, or as Billy Bob Thronton would say...
"I like the way you talk, hmm umm"


understand the very, narrow legal path chosen by Fitz. He likely anticipated the antics that would be thrown out by these people and he had to keep the arena particularly tight.

Moreover, the investigation is still open and there's likely many players keeping a close eye on how this trial is unfolding.


Especially the 3 Amigos aka Rove, Rice, and Darth Cheney himself.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 08:16 PM
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51. .
on my way out
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 11:23 PM
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52. Second That
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