If you don't believe that legions of Democracts would vote for McCain....

[Stevendsmith]

I've got some nice swampland to sell you.

Don't believe me? Ask around. Ask for opinions of McCain.

Despite McCain's open support and apologias for the Bush crime family, millions--yes, millions-- of self-professed "moderate" Democrats still believe in the "fantasy McCain."

This is a big problem-- one that I do not believe is getting the attention it deserves.

And, despite the opposition of the hardcore Rethug base, McCain can win the nomination.

[dysfunctional press]

1. especially if Hillary is his opponent.

nt

[tyedyeto]

2. And down here in southern AZ...

many conservatives call him a RINO. :shrug: To me he's just a peice of shit.

[AlinPA]

3. Maybe they should look at his ugly remark about Chelsea Clinton:

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

[BOSSHOG]

4. I believe you are right, however

I am a democrat, a veteran and I will never vote for a republican for anything and I will do whatever little thing I can to keep people from voting for them either. McCain will be 72 in 2008. Another reason not to vote for him. I salute his service to his country and strongly urge him to retire soon and enjoy the rest of his life in his home state of Arizona.

I will support General Clark in the primary election (assuming he runs) and I will vote for and support the dem candidate whomever that might be with as much fiscal support I can afford and leg work I can offer. If McCain is the gop candidate he will have a very loud veteran opponent in me.

[Stevendsmith]

5. Good for you! Thanks!

And I appreciate McCain's and your service.

[Ksec]

6. And now, our job is to highlight McCain /Bush ties

Before he gets anywhere near that White House.

The two are in bed together. No difference in them. A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush policies.

[leftstreet]

8. What ties?

[Ksec]

11. Are they in love?

McCains lack of character shows bigtime. Bush ruins him. McCain suckles at Bushs breast.

[Stevendsmith]

9. I think an alarmingly large number of people are blind to the ties.

They see McCain as a straight-shootin' moderate good guy.

They don't want to see the truth.

They have flabby minds.

[AndyTiedye]

7. Says It All

[Ksec]

16. LMAO

Now thats funny.

:)

[AlinPA]

10. He needs to get with the Christian right and suck up to them. His Bob

Jones and Robertson/Falwell remarks (about Bush**'s being controlled by them) during his run for president might be brought back to haunt him with that important base. Maybe by doing some serious gay-bashing he can get back into their good "graces".

[wisteria]

12. McCain has not faced strong opposition and the media has not

challenged him on anything he says or does. Nor do they hold him accountable for mistakes. I think that is about to change. McCain's free ride is about over.
I used to be fooled by this self-promoting blow-hard, but I came around and I think we have to time to changes other peoples minds too.

Of course, Hillary would be no challenge against him, but Kerry would. Now that would be a real match-up. It would make people wake up and take notice. Kerry, is aware of McCain's weak spots and he has worked with him on enough to be aware of his short fuse. Now, don't go around assuming that McCain has it locked up.

[Stevendsmith]

13. Kerry had his chance, and he FAILED MISERABLEY

And he begged McCain to be his VP, fer Chrissakes!

And what leads you to believe McCain's free ride with the media is over? They worship the man.

Sorry, but I just completely disagree

[Leopolds Ghost]

18. And he (Kerry) was smart to ask McCain to be his Veep.

Is 48% "failed miserably"? Try 44% on for size.

That's what any non-Vet will get running against McCain.

38% -- Hillary.

[Stevendsmith]

19. One point and one question.

A) Considering Bush's record, Kerry should have won in a landslide. He failed to hit a gimmie out of the park.

B) How was it smart to ask a Republican to be his running mate? Did it work?

[sandnsea]

21. Nobody begged McCain to do anything

And nobody has ever credibly made that claim.

Yes, McCain would be tough to beat, I actually don't see a Democrat who can do it. The only way McCain loses is if he beats himself and it is certainly possible for people like Kerry and Cleland and Kerrey to needle him in to doing just that.

[pocket]

14. yes, that little albino fascist has a lot of people fooled

but he'd be WORSE than *.

Same neocon agenda, but more ruthlessly carried out.

[AX10]

15. I disagree.

[RB TexLa]

17. I am a moderate Democrat

who would never vote for him for anything. I think he does from time to time think for himself, and I like that and want more republicans to do so as well as Democrats.

I certainly agree with your points, I think too many people have a "fantasy McCain," based on the fact that he does take a stand from time to time but that doesn't change the majority of his positions nor does it make him flexible on them. I think that many have mistaken his times that he takes a stand with him being open to changing his stances, I don't think he is, and I think is a grave mistake to believe the two go together.

If it were the case I would vote for whatever liberal Democrat is in a race with McCain, I'm going to agree with the liberal more than I agree with McCain.

[Disturbed]

20. John McCain, Hypocrite

John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. I Agree With You 100%. I Can't Tell You How Many Otherwise Dems Have

said "Yeah, I like McCain".

Those on the far left, those of us that are really into politics and know everything going on wouldn't support him (Even some on the Far Right too). But we are in the far minority of overall voters. Overall, those who aren't obsessed with politics like we are have an incredibly overall positive perception of McCain.

[enfield collector]

23. I can't believe no-one has mentioned the

U.S.S. Forestal incident yet.

[Stevendsmith]

24. What is the U.S.S. Forestal incident? (n/t)

[LizMoonstar]

25. i know i'm asking for it, but

i'd like to see what he does when he doesn't have to kiss ass any more. when he came out originally, he was a decent guy, and before i write him off, i'd like to see if that guy is still in there under all the bushit he's gotten covered in. doesn't mean i'm voting for him, but i'd like to see.

even were he able to go back to being the guy he was when he didn't suck, i don't think he's liberal enough for what we need now, but i was rooting for him in the 2000 primary (i was kind of hoping for a mccain/bradley race; gore didn't really strike me back then as i'm a 'nader traitor' but i would've voted for gore over mccain anyway - if that all makes any sense). he was at one point pretty much on a par with big dog clinton and if he were still that guy underneath the crap, and we were in a position where we needed to just carry on the good work instead of fucking fix everything, he would be a decent choice.

unfortunately, whether he's an ass or not, we need a lib cleanup crew, not a centrist bigdog crew right now. but yes, was that coherent?