I'm SICK of the RNC playing in our shit. What whisper campaigns

[xultar]

should the DNC put out on McCain and other GOP 2k8 contenders?

GOP used their effin bullshit tactics to sideline both Dean and Clark.

They are now messing with Hillary. Whether or not you like her or hate her it should be our decision whether or not to nominate her. The GOP's whisper and MSM campaigns against her are affecting which candidates we put up.

Let's start some shit with the GOP hopefuls. What tactics should we take with them? What are some swift-boat ideas we can use on 2k6 and 2k8 candidates. Then we start our own MSM and whisper campaigns.

This means we DIG into their pasts. Dig deep. Dig hard. Find shit and air-it for the world to see.

[mzmolly]

1. Agreed.

Recommended.

[Cassandra]

2. Lots of pictures of McCain...

sucking up to Bush. Those hugs and kisses should be worth something.

[blondeatlast]

10. We need to do this with every R running this year.

They are already showing signs of running away from the pResident.

Every vote, every speaking engagement, every photo-op, every fundraising op--get 'em out there and watch 'em squirm.

Even in my red state, 2 incumbents in iffy races are trying hard to shed the stink of W.

[xultar]

13. Every RNC candiate has a photo with Bush...we also need to find

those who have photos with Abramoff and run them side by side.
Who knows we may get both Bush and Abramoff @ the same functions with a candiate and be able to exploit the hell out of those photos.

GREAT.

[rateyes]

58. Birthday Cake!

TO BUSH: RESIGN or GET IMPEACHED/REMOVED--YOUR CHOICE!

[mom cat]

66. Don't forget the hug too!

[Laelth]

67. Yup. Keep spreadin' em.

:puke:

-Laelth

[drm604]

3. xultar, I like the way you think. n/t

[xultar]

14. Backatcha baby!

:woohoo:

[Stephanie]

4. We Don't Need No Steenking Swift Boats. The truth is bad enough.

McCain is a sell-out Bush-lover, for starters. That should be enough to do him in. Sadly I think his health is not good anyway. He has some very odd growths and very obvious surgeries in the last few years.

[marmar]

5. What a pathetic sight...

2 1/2 feet lower and you'd have a better picture of what McCain's been doing for Bush lately.

[spanone]

8. That picture is so fucking pathetic. Like Bush* is annointing McCain.

[Skidmore]

17. Put that picture out with a caption of....

Are you ready for another coronation in 08?

Or....

McCain, a made man in the Republican crime family.

[xultar]

9. I'm not saying make shit up. As for TRUTH...please. If people listened

to the truth we wouldn't be in this shit-pot of a disaster. I'm saying ....DIG.

[Stephanie]

38. then you should be more clear; to "swift-boat" means to lie about them

and whisper campaigns are generally lies too.

[The Wielding Truth]

21. We must stay true. The truth will condemn them,but we must shout it.

[xultar]

24. I'm not saying lie. But Dig. So far the truth hasn't done anything.

We need sensational truth with a dash of innuendo.

[BrotherBuzz]

29. Adlai Stevenson had the right idea

"I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." - Adlai Stevenson (1952)

But, dammit, we all need to be on the same page shouting the same message in order to be heard. Shoot, controlling the Democratic message is more difficult than herding cats. :shrug:

[Donailin]

63. best. reply. ever.

yup. the truth is bad enough. if fact it's worse than we know.

[Warpy]

6. Dean was torpedoed by the DLC

Who else had the means and motive to get that cherrypicked video and audio to the press?

[xultar]

11. Give me an effin break here. If you are sidelined by fighting on the

bench you'll miss the effin game.

If you want to fight your own you'll have to start a new thread.

I'm all about Democrats I'm not into fightin my own. I want to fight the GOP.

[Pirate Smile]

28. Amen!

[MadMaddie]

49. I like how you think Xultar!!!

:kick:

[Kingshakabobo]

7. We can start with the truth about McCain.

Play his anti-America propaganda.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Vietnam


"McCain recorded an anti-American propaganda message, but said he did so as a result of torture. It is the period during his capture that he most regrets."


Why not, they would certainly do it to us. Shit, they made up stuff about Kerry.

[xultar]

12. This is GREAT. Plus it ties into his current knee-pad position with

Bush on this issue.

The most terrible time in his life and he is making it possible for it to occur to more American soldiers by staying silent and being complicit with the Bush regime on torture.

Why would he side with this administration and do their bidding knowing that their policies allow more soldiers to have to endure torture?

EFFIN BRILLIANT

[Arkansas Granny]

19. Sorry, I don't think we should go that far. Anyone who has served

their country deserves our respect, regardless what you think about their politics now. John McCain may be a George Bush suck-up, but he is not, IMO, anti-American. It was dirty tactics when they did it to John Kerry and I think it would be the same if we did it to John McCain.

[xultar]

23. I'm not saying to disrespect him. But if he is silent on torture and not

taking BushCo to task then he IS putting our current troops in the position to have to suffer his fate.

That is a great line to use with him. Silent on torture is Anti-American Troops.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. John McCain has hardly been silent on torture. Have you not

heard about the anti-torture legislation that McCain authored that passed the Senate even though Bush threatened to veto it (although he would up signing it with a signing statement).

[bunkerbuster1]

41. McCain did exactly NOTHING to stop Torture Boy's confirmation

he had his chance to position himself as truly independent of the Bush syndicate, and he wussed.

[xultar]

48. He wussed cuz they told him to STFU. Which makes him complicit

[Arkansas Granny]

50. You are absolutely correct about his lack of independence from

Bush. I don't agree with his politics and I don't agree with many of his actions and I don't want him to be president. Having said that, I do respect John McCain for his military service to our country. Regardless what the Republicans did to John Kerry in the last election, I could not condone using the same tactics against McCain.

[Kingshakabobo]

46. Slight difference. What they said about Kerry was a pack of lies.....

...made up out of whole cloth. McCain DID speak out against our country. Besides, WE wouldn't have to do it as we can have "The Victims of Commie Sympathizers For Truth" run the ads.

[Arkansas Granny]

51. When John McCain spoke out against our country he had been

tortured. How many of us can truthfully say that we could withstand that sort of treatment and not say anything that our captors wanted us to say. I don't see that this is anything we could use against him without sounding petty and hateful.

I don't know if you were around then, but there was a song in 1970 by Joe South and the Believers. The chorus went:

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
And before you abuse
Criticise and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Great advice.

The entire lyrics are here: http://ntl.matrix.com.br/pfilho/html/lyrics/w/walk_a_mile_in_my_shoes.txt

[Kingshakabobo]

53. How the hell can we trust the man with the nuclear launch codes?

He'll have to face it. He cracked under pressure and he disgraced our country. Not everyone who was tortured cracked. I feel bad for him but being shot down twice and capitulating to the enemy doesn't impress me or guarantee a slot in the oval office. Also, he has a bad temper and might be a little crazy.

note: I don't necessarily agree with the above posts by me. I'm spitballin.

[Arkansas Granny]

64. I don't want John McCain in the oval office. He might be a little

crazy, for all I know. I don't know what all happened to him in 5 1/2 years of captivity or what was done to him that made him crack. Nor do I know why he cracked when others didn't. He was deemed a high value prisoner due to his family background, maybe he received some high value torture.

I know men who served in Vietnam and most of the men who saw combat over there don't want to talk about it to this day. I think it made a lot of them a little crazy. I think there's a whole new generation serving in Iraq today that are going to be affected in the same way.

If it was wrong for the "swifties" to use John Kerry's service in Vietnam against him, it would be just as wrong for us to use John McCain's service against him. It was a shameful act by the Republicans and and it would be just as shameful for Democrats to act in the same manner.

[Arkansas Granny]

52. Please see my post # 51.

[xultar]

15. So we need photos of Abramoff with any 2k6 & 2k8 RNC candiate.

Let's include any candiate with a photo of Lay in that one as well.

[xultar]

16. Any GOP 2k6 & 2k8 candiate silent on torture is basically anti-troops.

[xultar]

18. Someone has got to have Cheney hunting while drinking stories

we need to DIG through the hunting community and get some stories to tell.

[annabanana]

20. I'll start!

Bush and Peter f*cking King

[xultar]

22. I'm unfamiliar can you give me a short blurb on King...

We may need to dig up photos of King with others.

[eleny]

25. Even the truth is bad enough

If that doesn't get to them - then they're taking the koolaid intravenously.

[threadkillaz]

26. TV Funhouse, TV Funhouse

TV Funhouse On John McCain's Supporting Bush (click text to download)
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/002211.php

[Cleita]

30. There is this website,

The Skeleton Closet.

http://www.realchange.org/

They have been pretty good about digging dirt about the candidates in the last election. Be careful though, because they are non-partisan, you may read some things about your favorite candidate that you may not like.

I don't know if they intend on updating it for the next election, but it is a good place to start without having to read everything you google.

[xultar]

39. I know that the Dems aren't all dipped in the waters of purity...

I don't agree 100% with any Dem but I do know that I disagree with all GOP candiates 100%

[blondeatlast]

31. This is gonna be FUN: Vulnerable John Kyl with W:

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this one--sa-WEET!








That was just from a Google Image search of KYL and Bush--not McCain.

[sandnsea]

32. What are you talking about???

I haven't heard any whisper campaigns about Hillary and I certsainly haven't seen the MSM campaigning against her. She's the only Democrat who can even get any tv time. That ought to tell you something about who has been sidelining candidates the last 5 years.

[blondeatlast]

35. Rovian tactics--and not in specifics, I think. To quote from the OP:

They are now messing with Hillary. Whether or not you like her or hate her it should be our decision whether or not to nominate her. The GOP's whisper and MSM campaigns against her are affecting which candidates we put up.

Xultar is absolutely right--if we let the GOP decidewe are a fragmented party and are certain to lose.

If I've mistaken her intention, I apologize.

[xultar]

44. When I said determing what candidates we put up....that's not juts for

President...that is all candidates.

Plus I'm a Clark supporter. They did nasty things to Clark through the MSM last year so you know I'm all over this like stink on shit.

[xultar]

40. Sorry you don't get it. Why is it when I use Hillary as an example

people get stuck on her.

She's just an example!

[sandnsea]

47. Because you didn't say it was just an example

And because there's no whisper campaign against her.

[Name removed]

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[blondeatlast]

36. Welcome to DU. We are brainstorming how NOT to let them.

It's what we do.

:toast:

[Name removed]

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[tenshi816]

34. How about McCain's temper?

Isn't he supposed to have a really short fuse? That's not a good trait for a President to have, and I know I would think twice about voting for anyone - even one of our guys - if I thought he was the type to make crucial decisions in the heat of the moment, simply because his nose was out of joint at the time.

In fact, I think I'm going to start making it a point to bring up McCain's temper every time I talk to my family from now on. Just in case it becomes a talking point somewhere down the line.

[Cleita]

37. Here's what The Skeleton Closet has to say about McCain.

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

He sound like a real prick to me.

[bunkerbuster1]

43. "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?

Because Janet Reno is her father." -- John McCain

thanks for reminding me. I'd forgotten.

[Cleita]

56. Everytime a Democrat starts wanting to put McCain on a ticket

with another Democrat, they should be reminded of this.

[Roxy66]

42. It's not our nature to smear people.......But we freaking need to!!!

Lets play HARDBALL...DU style!!!

[xultar]

45. True. II'm up for some Hardball cuz I'm totally PISSED!

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Bill Frist is a cross-dresser.

[xultar]

65. Figured. Like it.

[Swamp Rat]

55. We should fuck with the GOP ANY WAY WE CAN!

ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

Time to bring up the dirt on every aspect of their lives, public and personal, including family members.

This is a fight for our lives and livelihoods!



ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

[mulsh]

57. McCain, purchase price $ 112,000 & 3 trips to the Bahamas

or at least that's what Charles Keating paid for him.



" ... received $112,000 in campaign contributions and 3 free trips to the Bahamas "

here's a link to my source, although if we're mimicing GOP tactics this sources aren't much of an issue.

http://www.nndb.com/people/914/000023845/

[Scout1071]

59. Pssst. Dick Cheney got drunk and blasted someone with a shotgun,

Laura Cheney killed someone.

Pssstt....Ken Melhman is.......

[Timbuk3]

61. George Allen (R-VA)

Good idea. I'm all for it.

Ignore George Allen at your own risk. He's squeaky clean and hiding in the shadows, right now. A former governor (he's got the executive experience) and a one-term Senator (so not a lot of excess baggage like a certain Senator who shall remain nameless carried into the last election), Allen's poised to pick up the social conservative vote without spending a dime.

----------

In a survey of 175 Washington insiders conducted by National Journal's "The Hotline" and released April 29, 2005, Allen was the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for the 2008 Presidential election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(politician)

George Allen is a politician to watch. He wears cowboy boots, he is tall and handsome, he doesn't take himself too seriously, he's a solid conservative, and he's putting together a tip-notch team.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314652/posts

For readers wondering why Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) is getting so much buzz as a potential 2008 presidential candidate, look no further than a recent fundraising invitation that found its way into The Fix's e-mail in-box.

Allen is holding a "Touchdown Reception" this Saturday in Detroit, the host of this year's Super Bowl. The host committee reads like a who's who of former NFL players and wealthy owners.

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/01/george_allen_th.html

Go ahead and look (and please share if you can find anything.) This guy's the one we need to look out for.

[laylah]

62. Where is "Hustler Larry" when we need him?