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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:08 AM
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Hillary gets the nod to be the Democrats candidate for President. She wins all the Primaries. Her choice for running mate is Bill Richardson Gov of New Mexico.


Al Gore decides The Democratic Party is following too many Republican Policies and launches a new Party. The Responsibility Party and his choice of VP is Gen Wes Clark.


What to do? What to do? I know what I would do. Al's my guy.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:11 AM
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1. Wow. Never happen, but it'd sure be fun to watch.
Gore/Clark? I don't care if they're runing under the Birthday Party ticket, that's my dream team right there. And the Responsibility Party is a great name. I love it.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:17 AM
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2. And the GOP puts up a fresh face for the idiots & sheep to vote for.
Hillary & Gore split the rational, intelligent patriotic vote.

Four more years (at least) of the Republican dictatorship.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:19 AM
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3. In other words...
Al Gore becomes the new Ralph Nader and hands the '08 election to the GOP.

No thanks.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:31 AM
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4. The only possibility...
... for a change in the administration of this country is for the Democratic Party to stick together, and fully support the Democratic ticket down the line.

The time for voting for the candidate for how they say they view the issues is past. Get the Repubs out of power, and move on from there.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:31 AM
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5. That would guarantee the Republicans
will win again.

Third party candidates simply divide the vote of the party they're splitting from. If the Democratic (or in other years and other scenarios, the Republican)party were to fall into such disarray that at least half of its membership were to abandon it, maybe. And by membership I don't mean the millions out there who show up on election day and vote, but the core of the party, the precinct party chairs, the county and state chairs, and so on. The true grass roots would need to leave the Democratic (or Republican) party in very large numbers, and that kind of basic structure would need to happen with the new party.

It's extremely unlikely to happen late in a Presidential Election year. You seem to be envisioning the new party being launched sometime in the late spring of 2008. That would be so much too late for the fund raising and organization that's needed to actually run a presidential campaign.

The other reason that's extremely unlikely to happen (I won't say impossible because almost nothing is impossible) is that Al Gore is, like all politicians, a party loyalist to the core. He also, because he's been through it, knows what it takes to run a presidential campaign.

It's slightly more likely that Wes Clark would be willing to try to start a third party, since he's a very recent comer to party politics. And his solid support (for all that I met one of his loyal supporters yesterday at a local Democratic Party meeting) are few and far between. Please, with all due respect to you Clark people out there, you're a tiny minority.

If you sincerely think Hillary will sweep through the primaries (and that's not a very far-fetched suggestion, even if in the end it doesn't happen) and are unhappy with that possibility, perhaps you should be trying to work against that. Unfortunately, no one has formally declared in the Democratic party for 2008 as yet, and I doubt anyone will until at least this November.

I understand that Al is your guy. But you need to be cautious about investing too much energy into hoping he'll run again (which I consider highly unlikely but that's just my opinion) and work for 2006, supporting Democrats who can win at all levels of government. Congressmen, Senators, Governors, and perhaps most importantly state and local legislatures, because those are the people who decide what ballot-casting method is used and what electronic machines are purchased.

Volunteer to work as a poll worker on November 7th. Or a poll watcher if you're unable to commit the entire day. See to it that we actually have a free, fair, and honest election this year, and with any luck at all we'll have the same two years later.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:02 PM
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8. How is it we consistently get it completely backward?
It is not incumbent on the voters to support the party, it is the parties duty to support the voters and that means all the voters. If by some chance, and again it waaaaay too early to tell, The Party decides to nominate Clinton, that would all but guarantee a re:puke: win, simply because she is so divisive.

It doesn't matter if this is right or fair, it simply is. There is no denying that there is a significant minority that will never vote for her, under any circumstances, and every time the Democratic Party puts up a "what are you going to do about it, vote republican?" candidate, they lose. Obviously the answer their posit is 'yes'.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 02:01 PM
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12. Unfortunately, the party structure serves to support the party,
not the voters. I agree, that it is far to early to tell who the nominee will be, and I'm personally made quite crazy by all those here who want desperately to know who it will be. I also agree that Hillary is incredibly divisive and could probably not win in the general election. I also believe that she's the Republican's dream candidate. And what's really sad is that too many Democrats who ought to know better have no idea what a terrible choice she would be, and NOT because she can be defeated, but because she's consistently supported the Bush administration in too many things.

More and more I see my best choice is to move to another country. I'm waiting to see what happens in November.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 02:10 PM
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14. Great mind move alike, that's my solution too. If the hard-core
party faithful are right, or get their way, I and those I care about and can help are outta here to watch the collapse from a (hopefully) safe distance.
My real hope lies in the belief that this is just the result of yelling into the echo chamber, and most progressive are more in touch with reality.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:39 AM
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6. Al Gore And Gen Wes Clark
will be out there campaigning for Whoever wins the democratic nomination. Neither one of them would ever help the Republicans, 3rd party style. Never happen.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 12:09 PM
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7. It will take two to three generations for the hate that is now ingrained
in the soul of right wingers to fade away - I am referring to the ingrained hate for Hlllary Clinton by the Republican voting block.

We need a candidate who the right wing has not worked against for 15 years.

She is a good condidate for the Supreme Court and has far fewer 'issues' in her history than any candidate that has come along since Ginzberg.

If you are for Hillary you have to explain how she rises above the hate and gains votes from Republicans and borderline Democrats and Independents.

Republicans are pushing for her and I'm sure it is because they have a measure of the hate and it wouldn't be below them to send up false and set-up readings to make it look like concocted 'former Republicans' would vote for her.

How do you take a decade of hate generating war campaigns against her that even the most remote observer would consider a success. The venom is real and VAST.

She is a person who doesn't deserve the hate blasted towards her, but it it there - because of their wildly successfull hate campaign. And it's not going to go away with the very people who were targeted. They know it and they all want her to run for President.

She should do us all a favor.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:04 PM
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9. This would split the dems vote ensuring 4 moronic more years of thugs.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:08 PM
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10. And then Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan...
...could fly in on spaceships and engage Ralph Nader's battlebots in a laser war, destroying Washington.

What then?

It's just about as likely.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:12 PM
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11. Little Too Far Fetched Of A Theoretical To Even Put Thought Into Isn't It?
What if's have their place, but this one is so outside the realm of possibility that it probably isn't even worth more than a couple neurons in my brain firing to make an opinion.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 02:02 PM
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13. I'd kill myself
Hillary AND Richardson???
:puke:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 02:11 PM
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15. Gore/Clark!!!
Whatever their party affiliation
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