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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:57 AM
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Somewhere over the Mushroom Cloud
Somewhere Over the Mushroom Cloud

{1} "Now, however, her role in the Plame scandal cannot be ignored or excused. She alone among senior officials was knowing and complicitous at every successive stage of the great half-baked yellow cake fraud. She alone was the White House peer -- and in national security matters the superior -- to Rove and Libby, who never could have acted without her collusion in peddling Plame's identity. She as much as anyone had a stake in smearing Wilson by any and all means at hand. If Rove and Libby are to be held criminally or at least politically accountable for a breach of national security, our 'mushroom cloud' secretary of state should certainly be in the dock with the."
-- Roger Morris; The Source beyond Rove: Condoleeza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal; from Commondreams.com and TruthOut; July 28, 2005

Mr. Morris, who was a senior staff member on the NSC during the Johnson and Nixon administrations, wrote a fascinating article about the role Condi Rice has played in the Plame scandal. His sense of "right and wrong" was documented years ago, when he quit the Nixon administration to protest the illegal invasion of Cambodia. His is a valued voice in any serious discussion of American foreign policy. I find his article about Rice to be important, and I think that it will serve as a good foundation for the discussions of Condi's participation in the Plame and the neocon/AIPAC spy scandals in the next couple of months.

One of my goals in my series of essays on the Plame scandal is to show that interested people can use a combination of progressive media sources (including the internet), along with the corporate media, and books, to come to a fair understanding of what the Plame scandal is about. In a recent essay on my blog ( http://h2oman.blogspot.com ), I had an essay "Your Move," which described the grand jury investigation of the Plame scandal in terms of a chess match. Let's take a moment today to examine Ms. Rice in the context of one of the Bush administration's bishops, and see what we can piece together. I think we will have some fun today.

We will start with a brief background of Ms. Rice.In "American Dynasty," Kevin Phillips (who like Morris, served in the Nixon administration), notes that she had "a specialty in what had been Soviet Central Asia and a particularly strong oil industry background. A former Chevron director, Rice even had a company oil tanker named after her..." (page 150)

Richard Clarke, in "Against All Enemies," noted that "Condi's previous government experience had been as an NSC staffer for three years worrying about the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union during the Cold War." (page 230)

"When it came to Bush presidencies, she was, in a sense, present at the creation," James Mann notes. "Scowcroft had kept in touch with her ever since first meeting her at Stanford three years earlier, making sure she was brought into elite groups, such as the Aspen Strategy Group, that serve as training grounds for future leaders." (Rise of the Vulcans; page 171)

In January, 2000, Ms. Rice had a policy article featured in "Foreign Affairs" (Vol. 79; No.1; Jan/Feb 2000; pages 45-62). The article, "Promoting the National Interest," also promoted Ms. Rice as part of candidate George W. Bush's foreign policy staff. In it, she noted that nations like Iraq and North Korea "are living on borrowed time, so there need be no sense of panic about them. Rather the first line of defense should be a clear and classical statement of deterence -- if they do acquire weapons of mass destruction, that weapon will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration." (See Mann, page 254, for more.)

Ms. Rice was one of the 2000 Republican National Convention's featured speakers. Phillips notes that, "Cynics bemoaned what they saw as new heights of orchestration-cum-artifiality, and the mere 8 percent of the national black vote that Bush received in 2000 -- down from Dole's 14 percent in 1996 and his father's 12 percent in 1992 -- suggested that the happy talk and camera focus on advisors Powell and Rice counted for little with the constituency at which it was directed." (page 143)

Is it possible that Condi was valued for reasons other than her insight on the late Soviet Union, and her leadership in the black community? While the mere thought may be shocking on the surface, let's take a closer look at her career in the Bush2 administration.

{2} "Now Condi Rice was in charge. She appeared to have a closer relationship with the second President Bush than any of her predecessors had with the presidents they reported to."
-- Richard Clarke; Against All Enemies; page 229.

Richard Clarke goes on to describe how Sandy Berger and he attempted to help in the transition from the Clinton to Bush administrations, by informing Rice and others of the threat posed by terrorists in general, especially by al Qaeda. "As I briefed Rice on al Qaeda, her facial expression gave me the impression that she had never heard the term before..." (page 229)

Joseph Wilson quotes Paul O'Neill's book "The Price of Loyalty," in which the former Treasury Secretary tells how Ms. Rice ran the first NSC meeting in January, 2001. Rice announced the topic would be "How Iraq is destabilizing the region..." This was where President Bush announced, "We're going to correct the imbalances of the previous administration on the Mideast conflict. We're going to tilt it back toward Israel." When Colin Powell questioned the consequences of what Bush was advocating, the president said, "Maybe that's the best way to get things back in balance." O'Neill noted that "Powell seemed startled." (Wilson; The Politics of Truth; pages 438-9)

Ms. Rice part of what Patrick Buchanan described thusly: "...into his entourage there had already been insinuated a cabal that called itself 'the Vulcans.' Recruited by Condoleezza Rice, the best known were Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. ... Thus began the tutoring of George W. Bush in Kristol's 'new find of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy,' ...." (Where the Right Went Wrong; page 42)

John Dean notes much the same: Bush "was, for all practical purposes, a blank slate to be wrirren on. The group of tutors was headed by Condoleezza Rice, and she named her team 'the Vulcans'..." Dean lists others on the team, including Richard Armitage, Robert Blackwill, and Stephen Hadley. (Worse Than Watergate; pages 143 and 227)

In "Chain of Command," Seymour Hersh documents Ms. Rice's connections with the scandals at Guantanamo Bay. (pages 3,6,8,9,11 and 50). In "American Dynasty," Kevin Phillips ties her directly to the scandal with Enron .(page 168; also see: "Chronology of Administration Dealings with Enron," Washington Post, Januaryy 22,2002.)

{3} "July 29, 2001: 'We have been able to keep his (Saddam's) arms from him,' NSC advisor Rice tells the media. 'His military forces have not been rebuilt."
-- Roger Morris; Condoleezza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal; July 28, 2005

Let's look at Ms. Rice's involvement with the White House Iraq Group (WHIG). This group "was established in August 2002 by Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card, Jr., at the same time the OSP was established in Feith's office. Made up of high-level administration officials, its job was to sell the war to the general public, largely through televised addresses and by selectively leaking the intelligence to the media." (James Bamford; A Pretext for War; page 318)

Besides Rice, the WHIG includes Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Steve Hadley, Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin, James Wilkinson, and Nicholas Calio. In the summer of 2002, their goal was to convince the American public that there was a direct connection between Saddam and al Qaeda (and hence between Saddam and 9-11), and that Saddam posed a threat to US security with weapons of mass destruction (WMD). In August, VP Cheney told tv audiences on three occassions that there was "no doubt" that Saddam had WMD, and was attempting to build nuclear weapons.

On Sunday, September 9, 2002, the NY Times ran a front page story co-authored by Judith Miller, that claimed there was solid evidence that Saddam was attempting to build nuclear weapons. Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice appeared on four major Sunday morning news shows, claiming the Times' story proved that Saddam posed a risk to US security. Rice, on CNN, delivered a line that Mary Matalin wrote for her: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." (Bob Woodward; Plan of Attack; page 179// Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 231)

As the campaign for war gathered strength, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson writes an op-ed for the San Jose Mercury News ("How Saddam Thinks," October 13, 2002). Brent Scowcroft calls Wilson to ask if he can "take it over to the White House" to show to senior officials. It is believed that Scowcroft brought the article to show to Rice and Hadley. (Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 296)

Still, the claims that there may be a Niger yellow cake uranium connection to Iraq continues to be in the President's Daily Briefing (PDB) in December, 2002. And, in January, both Rice and Hadley will be among those who approve the presidents State of the Union address. (Morris; Condoleezza Rice...; 7-28-05)

In January, French leader Jacques Chirac sends a top aide to warn Rice that the planned US invasion of Iraq will destabilize the Middle East, and increase recruitment for al Qaeda. ( James Mann; Rise of the Vulcans; page 349)

Still, on January 23, 2003, Rice has an op-ed in the NY Times, titled "Why We Know Iraq is Lying." In it, she claims that Iraq's "...false declaration ... fails to account for or explain Iraq's effort to get uranium abroad. Let's take a closer look, and see why we know Condi was lying.

{4} "..I could not understand what Rice thought she was accomplishing by leaving interviewers with the impression that she had no idea who I was. Perhaps she had a poor memory, although I find that as improbable as her claim later that she had simply forgotten about the CIA memoranda dealing with the vital question of purported uranium sales from Niger to Iraq."
--Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 297.

How did Condi react when no WMDs were found in Iraq, and when the media began to speak of an unnamed source who had investigated the Niger claims for the CIA, and found them to be false?

"Maybe someone in the bowels of the Agency knew something about this, but nobody in my circles," Condi told Tim Russert on Meet the Press. (June 8, 2003)

"If there were any doubts about the underlying intelligence to that National Intelligence Estimate, those doubts were not communicated to the president, the vice president, or to me," Condi said during a July 11, 2003 press briefing.

On Fox News on July 13, 2002, Rice said, "Had there ever been even a peep that the Agency did not want that sentence in or that George Tenent did not want that sentence -- it would have been gone. .... It is ludicrous to suggest that the president of the UnitedStates went to war on the question of whether Saddam Hussein sought uranium from Africa. This was part of a very broad case that the president laid out in the State of the Union and other places."

On July 27, 2003, a front page Washington Post article, "Iraq Flap Shakes Rice's Image," addressed her responsibility for the "faulty intelligence." Three days later, in an interview with PBS's Gwen Ifill, Ms. Rice attempted to blame others for her errors: " What we learned later, and I did not know at the time, and certainly did not know until just before Steve Hadley went out to say what he did last week, was the director had also sent over to the White House a set of clearance comments that explained why he wanted this out of the speech. I can tell you, I either didn't see the memo, or I don't remember seeing the memo." ( Also see Wilson, pages 352-3)

On October 12, 2003, the Washington Post ran a story "Rice Fails to Repair Rifts." Woodward tells how Rice tried to blame Richard Armitage for "leaks" that hurt the administration. (Plan of Attack; pages 414-5) This is a tactic which continues. (See "The Unknown Soldier" on my blog.)

{5) "March 5, 2004: Newsday's Tom Brune reports that the grand jury has issued subpoenas summoning phone logs of Air Force One from July 7-12, from the July 12 press gaggle, and records of the White House Iraq Group from July 6-30."
-- Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 454.

"Rice was aboard Air Force One: Rice was one of several senior administration officials on a July 2003 flight to Africa, during which it was decided that she would appear on the Sunday shows to 'protect Cheney by explaining that he had nothing to do with sending Wilson to Niger, and dismiss the yellowcake issue.' (Think Progress.Org; quoting Newsweek, 7-17-05)

"... Condi Rice, the ultimate good soldier ... was on the Africa trip with the president, and wouldn't be getting back until Saturday night. To allow her to prepare on the long flight home to D.C., White House officials assembled a briefing book, which they faxed to the Bush entourage in Africa. The book was primarily prepared by her National Security staff. It contained classified information -- perhaps including all or part of the memo from State. The entire binder was labled TOP SECRET." (Newsweek; 7-25-05)

"Powell discusses the memo with Rice and other presidential aides on board, including press secretery Ari Fleischer. Witnesses later see Fleischer 'perusing' the memo. .... Rice and Fleischer both call contacts at the Washington Post and New York Times 'to make it clear,' the Times will report, 'that they no longer stood behind Mr. Bush's statement about the uranium -- the first such official concession on the sensitive issue of the intelligence that led to war."
--Roger Morris; Condaleezza Rice at the Center....; July 28, 2005.

"Sandy Berger, President Clinton's national security adviser, was as cogent as he was concise. Since the Bush people never backed down, he pointed out, the fact that they had been so quick to admit their error this time meant that they must have something more important to protect." (Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; page 4.)

{6} "How does somebody whose job it is to track nuclear weapons development, especially in rogue states, receive such critical information and then proceed to forget it? This was not a grade school homework assignment. The short answer is that they don't forget, unless they are derelict. Regrettably, disingenuousness is another possibility. Condoleezza Rice may be many things, but she is hardly derelict."
-- Joseph Wilson; The Politics of Truth; pages 331-2.

"I know nothing of any such White House effort to reveal any of this," Rice told Fox News on September 28, 2003. "And it certainly would not be the way the president would expect his White House to operate."

On July 11, 2003, Rice stated, "On Ambassador Wilson's going out to Niger, I learned of that when I was on whatever TV show it was, because that mission was not known to anybody in the White House." (Think Progress; 3-3-2006)

"I have, like everybody else, cooperated with Prosecutor Fitzgerald and I'm quite certain that he will make his report," she told Fox News on October 16, 2005.

"As the WMD controversy grew in 2004, the president expressed his concerns to Rice. To air all of the CIA's problems could have two negatives that he wanted to avoid. First, the controversy would lead to congressional investigations like the Church and Pike Committees in 1975-76 that revealed CIA spying on U.S. citizens ..." (Bob Woodward; Plan of Attack; page 442)

Perhaps it is time for that congressional investigation.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:14 PM
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1. K&R!
:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:19 PM
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2. Hello,
I just sent you a pm!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:33 PM
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3. Wow, This is New!
And catch this:

"...into his entourage there had already been insinuated a cabal that called itself 'the Vulcans.' Recruited by Condoleezza Rice, the best known were Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle

We're being ruled by Trekkies who think they're Mr. Spock? That is disquieting.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:49 PM
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6. From Dean:
Condi used the name the Vulcans "after the Roman blacksmith god of fire and metalworking" in part because her hometown of Birmingham, Alabama, where "she had first seen a Vulcan statue -- a symbol of the city's steel industry. Perhaps there was an attempt at humor, too: tutors in the mold of Star Trek's Mr. Spock,they hoped to be pleasant but utterly without emotion -- coldly viewing the universe without sympath or empathy." (page 105-6) Disquieting, indeed.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:53 PM
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8. Vulcan's no the difference between right and wrong these Vulcans
only know wrong and more wrong as long as someone gets paid
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:02 PM
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13. Vulcans, as in "no emotions", aka no morality
Or as neocon teacher Leo Strauss would say:
"Those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior."
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:39 PM
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22. Disgusting.
No morality? "Natural right" of behaving like barbarians? What a total prick!!! :grr:
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:35 PM
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33. I Have the Feeling They Really Meant "The Romulans"
but were a little confused about Star Trek lore. It would be much more appropriate.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 06:03 PM
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37.  "no emotions" doesn't equate to "no morality"
The Star Trek Vulcans had lots of morality. It's logical to take a moral stance where people can be hurt.

OTOH, many dictators have no feelings of sympathy or empathy, which then leads to a lack of morality.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:21 AM
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50. True about ST, but Vulcan's "cold logic"
can appear to be heartless.

For Straussians anyway, "no morality" is part of their logic.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:03 AM
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48. No emotions = perfect morality in some
philosophical traditions. More precisely, no attachments.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 10:25 PM
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42. Spock in the evil universe was a better being than these.
They are not Star Trek at all.

Take for example this top secret info on Kowakian monkey-lizard Paul Wolfowitz:



http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/salaciouscrumb/?id=eu

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:37 PM
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4. I wonder if that's why she got promoted to Secretary of State?
Edited on Mon Mar-13-06 12:41 PM by Cleita
Maybe it was to cower anyone who might want to investigate her complicity, since her very powerful position could intimidate would be whistleblowers.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:58 PM
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39. Yes.
Her rise in power is tied to her criminal, immoral behavior. She sold her soul to the dark force.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:45 PM
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5. Hacktacular! She Is WORTHLESS!
"Richard Clarke goes on to describe how Sandy Berger and he attempted to help in the transition from the Clinton to Bush administrations, by informing Rice and others of the threat posed by terrorists in general, especially by al Qaeda. "As I briefed Rice on al Qaeda, her facial expression gave me the impression that she had never heard the term before..." (page 229)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:58 PM
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11. I keep thinking
of her glare when she got exposed in from of that 9-11 commission. I am convinced that Dave Chappelle used her as the model for his Clayton Bigsbee character.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:52 PM
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7. Rice, Rove, Cheney must go down
thanks for the summary H2O Man, also what do think of the whole Chic. Tribune searching Plame's name on the internets?

I think it is bullshit, because if Plame would have NEVER been outed then the Tribune or anyone else would not have been able to a search on the internets with her name, company names, and other details that have been brought to light since this scandal broke.

Shotty reporting- ho hum
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:56 PM
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9. I consider it
part of a disinformation campaign, that is but part of the War on Dissent. I posted a link to it, through another paper, on my last thread. No self-respecting agent, former or current, would think that the WHIG campaign that outed Plame was okay. Only those who are part of a group with an agenda would sign in on this trash.

We will be exposed to a huge amount of disinformation in the next four weeks. As Malcolm X used to tell us, if you believe the trash they report, you'll be carrying an umbrella on a sunny day, and getting soaked when it rains.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 12:56 PM
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10. You guys should check out drudge,
A Washington Post guy says that Dick Armitage leaked Ms. Plame's name.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:00 PM
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12. Another person notified me
about that. It's interesting. It appears that Woodward told Bradlee this. And it is possible.

On the other hand, Raw Story has been reporting that their source identified Hadley as Woodward's source. I found their reporting to sound reliable on this. I'll be very interested in their response.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:09 PM
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14. I Don't Believe This For A Second But It Makes Interesting Drama
Dick Armitage would rip Woodward's head off with his teeth and then kick it down the street before he gets nailed with this charge. The Neo-Cons didn't cotton to Armitage and he had no use for them. I double dog dare them to take on that crusty ole bulldog!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:16 PM
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15. I thought it curious
that the corporate media would flash Armitage's photo when reporting about Woodward last fall, even when they had nothing to connect him with the story except speculation. However, a person at Daily Kos who is interested in the Plame scandal was convinced the redacted affidavit by Fitzgerald from a week or so ago had an eight letter space where Woodward's source had been listed. Both Dick and Bob are old NOI officers, and Armitage was being interviewed for Woodward's book "Plan of Attack" at the time. So it is possible. It's also possible that there were a couple people. It likely was a subject of interest.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:01 PM
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43. Considering the recent attempt to connect Armitage to the leak, I found
this statement from your OP very interesting.

On October 12, 2003, the Washington Post ran a story "Rice Fails to Repair Rifts." Woodward tells how Rice tried to blame Richard Armitage for "leaks" that hurt the administration. (Plan of Attack; pages 414-5) This is a tactic which continues. (See "The Unknown Soldier" on my blog.)

I wonder what kind of leaks she was attempting to connect him to back then? Was she trying to blame him for the Valerie Plame leak?

I think the sources for the recent article claiming that anyone can find information on the CIA through an Internet search (the reporter did say he had to pay for it) are the CIA equivalent of the Swift Boat Veterans. This cabal always uses the same MO ~

We had a thread on that article last night and last week, another very interesting thread on Data Mining companies, especially one called Choicepoint. A subsidiary of that company was the one used in Florida for the infamous felon list.

My questions last night, which the reporter apparently didn't ask his sources were 'when did this information surface on the Internet?' and second 'what was the name of the company from which the reporter purchased the information?'

A few weeks ago, as we discussed in the thread last night also, John Aravosis made the same discovery regarding purchasing records on the internet. He bought the cell-phone records of Gen. Clark. That story got a lot of attention, especially from Gen. Clark, which led me to believe that it was not legal to sell such personal info, and as I recall, the website in question went offline after Gen. Clark's complaints.

Why is no one outraged over the discovery that this CIA information is available online? Shouldn't the Bush administration be surprised, shocked maybe, that such information is out there for the world to find?

This is my opinion, remembering the thread on the company named Choicepoint (also responsible for the thousands of leaked IDs a few months ago) is that Rove perhaps, attempting to go back to the conspirators' first claim, ie, that 'everyone knew Valerie Plame worked for the CIA', called their friends at Choicepoint (also possibly implicated in the Domestic Spying Scandal) to get the CIA information online, then have the CIA/Swifties 'sources' talk to the reporter, to once again, try to minimize the importance and the threat of the leak ~

It would be helpful to know where online the reporter got his information ~ and to know for how long the information has been there. Bush et al claim to be very concerned about leaks, ie, reporters reporting on their activities, yet so far, they are not concerned about this blatant leaking of CIA info for sale? That usually happenes when they themselves already know something about it, imo.

The same thing happened in the Dan Rather situation. No comment from the WH. Whenever they do not comment, I think we should be suspicious ~



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:20 PM
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16. Thank ye kindly, sir!
Link to you blog just went out to my email list ;)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:25 PM
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17. Thank you.
I realize it is kind of long, but I think there is some important information on Condi in the essay. Plus, it's a rainy day in the northeast, and I think DUers who are just starting the work week need to take some "break" time, and read about Condoleezza. It's not good to work too hard on a Monday, especially not in the morning or afternoon.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:41 PM
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23. Tis a very 'old world' attitude you have about work, sir.
Whadda ya, some kind of un-American lay-about like that Dr Franklin guy who figured 5 hours a day should more 'n cover it? ;)

Never apologize for it being a long read. She is the one who made her list of crimes against the nation so damned long. You just wrote it all down. Lots of hard facts in there and well referenced for the skeptics to fume over.



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:44 PM
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24. Ha!
"Old World," indeed.

I'm hoping that Condi will be the subject of more attention in the next two months.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:27 PM
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18. Awesome post!
Peace.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:28 PM
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19. Condi and her Aspen friends ...
Little known fact that Phillip Zelikow is a friend of Condi's and goes back to her days serving under Brent Scowcoft's NSC.

Zelikow was the Executive Director of 9/11 Commission - he headed up all the staff (report writing) doing the investigation for the appointed commissioners. Zelikow is a republican and is currently serving in the State Department as counselor. He was on C-SPAN this past weekend.

From "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" authored by the David Ray Griffin, Professor of Philosophy of Religion and Theology, Emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology. Page 8,
"Was the 9/11 Commission Independent"?
"The 9/11 Commission's executive director was not, furthermore, simply any Republican. Phillip Zelikow had been very closely associated with the Bush White House. He was on the National Security Council in the Bush I administration, when both he and Condoleeza Rice served as aides to the National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft. During the Clinton years, while the republicans were out of office, he and Rice co-authored a book. Zelikow also directed the Aspen Strategy Group, which involved Rice and Scowcroft as well as Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz. Then, he served on the National security council's team for the transition between the Clinton and Bush II council team. In this role, he provided recommendations for Rice... Shortly after 9/11, Zelikow was appointed to the President's Foreign Intelligence advisory Board, on which he served until becoming executive director of the 9/11 Commission in 2003."

Aspens are really a theme with these folks...

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 12:20 AM
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46. The jerk was on c-span yesterday.
Speech
State Department Legal Policy
American Bar Association
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 191557 - 03/10/2006 - 0:56 - $29.95

Zelikow, Philip Counselor, Department of State
Baker, Stewart A. Member, American Bar Association, Standing Committee on Law and National Security

Philip Zelikow, counselor to the U.S. Department of State, speaks about international law, legal issues involving policies toward Iraq, and other issues in the Middle East. He focused on development of legal policy to meet future challenges posed by international conflict, legal ethics, and criminal justice issues. Following his remarks he answered questions from the audience.


No good comes from him. :grr:

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:34 PM
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20. It is way past time for an investigation in Congress
could you interpret this for me?

"I have, like everybody else, cooperated with Prosecutor Fitzgerald and I'm quite certain that he will make his report," she told Fox News on October 16, 2005.

That he will make his report? What is she talking about,a report? This was at the time Libby was indicted on mutiple criminal charges for god's sakes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:37 PM
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21. I think she was
trying to pretend that she was answering a question, but that she didn't want to commit to an honest answer.

I think an investigation for the sake of impeachment hearings against several senior officials is a good idea.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:51 PM
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25. Reading this elisicits this response: "The horror, the horror." Rec!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-13-06 01:51 PM by autorank
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 01:57 PM
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26. Yes it's time! Damn time!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:08 PM
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27. Who Made The Decision To Bring Condoleeza Lies A Lot Into
this administration? Cheney? It seems, if junior was a blank page to be written on, the first chapter had to be written even before he was chosen to run for the WH. He was an easy sell given how he felt about what he considered to be his father's weak kneed walk away from going into Bagdad. Cheney, who had long wanted to increase the powers of the president(along with Rummy), and his allegiance to Halliburton, seems to me to be the puppeteer behind all this. So did he choose Condi?

Also, what is Card's role in putting this all together? He convened WHIG but was he a convert before they even took the election?

As for Armitage, I am surprised he was a Vulcan, given his lon friendship with Powell. Did he find their plans hard to stomach and therefore wasn't a part of WHIG? Or was it his alliance with Powell that put him out of the loop, or both?

Finally, your essay on Condi and her culpability is eyeopening.I'm hoping you would consider doing this with all the members of WHIG. Next, I'd like to see Newt as he has the arrogance to think he can run for president. And then Mary Matalin, just because she's a Cheney snotrag and a lying witch.

One more thing, if Cheney is ever indicted by FitzG., would that indicate massive indictments against the entire WHIG group?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:30 PM
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31. Yes.
I plan to do the entire chess board. I wanted to start with Condi, because I think there is a chance that her role in the Plame and neocon/AIPAC scandals is going to surface this spring. But I will be looking at each player on the board.

There was a wonderful panel discussion on one of the C-SPAN channels last week, with John Dean and others. They were talking about impeachment processes. I was pleased that they noted that in the Watergate era, it wasn't as simple as having the House start an investigation that brought the goods home. It was a difficult process. But we are getting to a point where people in congress may see the advantages of targeting the VP for impeachment, based on the Plame/Iraqi lies issues.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 04:45 PM
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36. I'm Assumming Card
Edited on Mon Mar-13-06 04:46 PM by Me.
will also be on the board?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 09:57 PM
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38. Yes.
He is a bad human being.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 10:10 PM
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40. There is so much rot in this administration.
And so many rotten individuals. They must be held to task.

hey don't seem to be bad chess platers. Their strategy is flawed, but they know how to slow the game down. At some point the pace will pick up and I hope we are nearing that point.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:27 PM
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44. Pulling All These People Out Of The Shadows
is a meritorious act. Shine the light of day onto their shameful selves.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:15 PM
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28. Indeed it is time H2O Man.
Marvelous as ususal.

:toast:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:20 PM
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29. "would I lie to you?"
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:31 PM
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32. Yikes!
That was scarey!
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 02:25 PM
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30. I am loving all of your "Wizard of Oz" themed threads!!!
It seems so apt. :hi:

K&R!!

:kick:
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FreedRadical Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 04:00 PM
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35. This has been a fall down the rabbit hole
I started this fall with one simple question to stop the bleeding last week. Now I am slipping deeper and deeper. This needs to be told to all Americans. When I am not sitting slack jawed at my computer, I am telling everyone I can about this. Thank you for all this info. If it wasn't for truth for tellers like you, people like me would never know this, and the people around me are even more in the dark. You guys fucken rock:yourock: :headbang:
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 03:30 PM
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34. Condi - someone who has a lot of drive, energy
and intelligence and wanted to use it. I hope she pays for her lies and for getting us into Iraq.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 10:19 PM
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41. Somewhere Over the Rainbow Blues
(beautiful lyrics by Jimi Hendrix)

Well I see fingers
and hands and shades of faces
reaching up but not quite
touching the promised land
I hear pleas and prayers
and desperate whispers saying
"Whoa! Lord please give us a helping hand"

Way down in the background I can see
frustrated souls of cities burning
and on across the water, baby
I see weapons barking out the sting of death
And up in the clouds I can imagine UFOs
chuckling to themselves rapping they saying
Those people so uptight they sure know how to make a mess....

(dedicated to the victims of the Cheney-Bush violence against earth)
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-13-06 11:53 PM
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45. The Lovely Ms. Rice
In all her evil splendor...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 03:05 AM
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49. You know there is a quite lovely Ms. Rice, Condi's sister
She is a bright, articulate person on the correct side of the debate
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:41 AM
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53. that's her cousin, not her sister
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 01:37 AM
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47. The heartless, disastrous, constantly lying Dr. Rice. K & R n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:28 AM
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51. Bush & Co


pictured boarding AF1 during their trip to Africa, where they played let's pass the memo. Then a few phone calls later and their plans to out Plame were set in motion. A few days later, Novak wrote his infamous article. I hope they all get indicted soon and I'll be waving bye-bye with both hands too.






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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 11:40 AM
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52. I remember her speaking at the 2000 GOP convention
it was such a joke between me and my friends.

She kept going on about how wonderful Bush is, and what a great leader he is.

The woman is such a joke.

I don't know where this idea that she is a "leader" in the Black community comes from. The only blacks who love her are the Uncle Toms in Training.

She is failing "upwards". Par for the course in this administration.

I hope she gets everything that is coming to her.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:35 PM
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54. thanks for the OP
:kick:
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