Ohio Doctor: Women can't get pregnant during a rape. WTF?????

[KyndCulture]

--snip

"I think that life begins when the chromosomes of the sperm and egg line up," said Dr. Richard Dobbins, who works in the emergency department at Hardin Memorial Hospital in Kenton.

Dobbins also questioned the need for emergency contraception in rape cases, saying that most women either are not fertile during assault or do not become pregnant because the trauma prompts a hormonal response that prevents ovulation.

"So if they do get pregnant, they wanted it, is that it?" a reproductive-rights advocate in the audience asked.

--snip


Lots more horseshit at link:

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/03/13/20060313-A1-02.html


I'm thoroughly speechless..... What THE FUCK?????

[Atman]

1. Was this guy a professor of Bill Frists?

Sheesh!

[RubyDuby in GA]

2. Damn you beat me to it

I was about to ask if he was a classmate of Frist's.

[The Doctor.]

51. See my post in this thread...

The guy's absolutely full of shit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=646562&mesg_id=647730

[MadMaddie]

3. It's unbelievable that people like this are in the Medical field....

I hope the Professionals and the Medical Establishment shun him.....

[KyndCulture]

5. He needs to turn in his credentials... this is ridiculous.

[LuCifer]

24. I was just going to say

this scumbag need to be stripped (so to speak) of his doctor credencials, like this swine had any to begin with. How disgusting.

[asjr]

4. Obviously he attended witch doctor school.

[mom cat]

40. Witch doctors would never be that stupid.

[IsItJustMe]

6. He must of got his degree at Bob Jones.

[tigereye]

7. oh my god!

how can there be people/ DOCTORS! out there with that kind of bass ackwards thinking!

:grr: :banghead:

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. If he truly is a doctor, he ranks quack in competency!

WTF!!!??? Is there even evidence for his assertion that a pregnancy-preventing hormone is released? I've never hear of this!

[jbnow]

47. He forgot to add

that if the woman has recently ovulated when she is raped the egg is so scared it runs back into the ovary and shuts the door.

[Orrex]

9. You're missing the best part

Sure, if the the woman gets pregnant, she clearly "wanted" it (and if a rightwing-whacko doctor says it, it must be true.)

But when the politically monikered Roe V. Wade For Men gains any traction, then not only will the voluntarily impregated woman be unable to exercise her reproductive rights; the obviously-not-a-rapist man will be able to sever all financial and social ties to the resulting child (a child which the woman, I remind you, must clearly have wanted).

Folks, we live in a golden age.

[Marie26]

10. Good comeback, at least. nt

[myrna minx]

11. Is his other name...Theodoric of York/Medieval Barber?

Good god. How did these people like him and Frist receive medical licenses? Did he go to an accredited collage?

[spuddonna]

12. JMJ, this country is devolving back to the stone age!

"You can't get pregnant by rape"??!!

The sheer insanity... and this from a 'doctor'? Ohio is truly hosed...

[aden_nak]

13. Technically true but also full of shit and he knows it.

It is true that extreme trauma can cause a hormonal shift, and that shift can make it slightly less likely to become pregnant. However, it doesn't "prevent ovulation" by any stretch of the imagination. Which means he is either completely uneducated on the topic, or else he knows how it really works and is exagerating and lying to make it sound like something it's not.

[KyndCulture]

21. Well didn't we learn in 9th grade biology that ovulation can occur

5 days before intercourse and still result in a pregnancy? So by this douchebags logic you'd have to be psychic to have a hormonal shift occur during an assault.

[LeftyMom]

36. Not quite.

Sex up to five days before ovulation can result in pregnancy, as a result of sperm survival in fertile cervical mucus. The fertile period after ovulation is determined by egg survival- ova are generally viable for only 24 hours (although those using periodic abstinence to avoid pregnancy generally wait longer in case of double ovulation.)

[Beaverhausen]

62. No, not technically true

not in any way.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/04/13/lawmakers_hear_testimony_on_emergency_contraception/

[Fleshdancer]

14. It would be difficult to not react violently to this bs.

Could you imagine being in that audience??!!? I would have gone f*cking nuts.

Good follow up question from the reproductive-rights advocate though...too bad his/her question wasn't answered.

[KyndCulture]

15. Here's the email address for the reporter that published this BS.

[e-mail]

[The Doctor.]

41. Why punish the messenger?

Or should we thank him?

[Bill McBlueState]

67. to thank her, I hope

I think we need to thank the woman who wrote the story for providing an unbiased, factual account of what happened to that poor couple.

(BTW - Reporters report; they don't publish.)

[Marie26]

68. It's a good article

I thought she wrote a very sympathetic article about the insanity of the pro-life crowd. That doctor's statement, standing alone, is more of an indictment than anything we could say.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. Unbelievable

By the very nature of his very false argument he should have no moral issue with the use of the morning after pill.

This quack has no say over what form of birth control I use. He makes me want to go out and get an IUD just to spite his ignorant ass.

[Occulus]

17. Does this part mean what I think it means?

"As written, the bill says, "No person is required to perform or participate in medical procedures or distribution of any medication which will or may result in abortion or termination of life."

:wow:

As I read it, that can easily be interpreted to cover the birth control pill, if all emergency contraception is is a high dose of the same.

[KyndCulture]

18. So what about a 12 yr old raped by her father or uncle?

guess that's NEVER happened to result in a pregnancy EVER has it?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[boobooday]

19. Yes, yes, nothing a good leeching couldn't cure n/t

[WePurrsevere]

20. Remember... Even doctors who barely pass the exam still get to put MD

behind their name... sounds like this idiot is one is one of those. Although there's a bit of truth in what he said most of it is twisted and pure horse puckey.

[myrna minx]

52. It's scary to think that there are some practicing Dr.'s who were at the

bottom of their class :scared:

[redqueen]

22. I wish I could be shocked enough to be speechless...

unfortunately this is just par for the course nowadays, what with the fundie right wing encouraging their followers to push their beliefs on everyone else.

[Akoto]

23. Really? That's one doctor whose practice I'd avoid, unless ...

I also wanted to have the evil spirits drawn out of me with leeches. :eyes:

[havocmom]

25. Give him the gas and implant a fetus on his spleen while he's out

If he doesn't abort from the trauma, he wanted it. He really wanted it.

[KansDem]

26. Actually, this warrants investigation...

...most women either are not fertile during assault or do not become pregnant because the trauma prompts a hormonal response that prevents ovulation.

Could a trauma then correct hormonal deficiencies?

Doctor: "You have diabetes"
Patient: "What can be done?"
Doctor: "We have an experimental procedure. I kick the crap out of you and see if that corrects it!"
Patient: "Oh, O.K. Will my insurance cover this?"

This needs to be studied!

:sarcasm:

[rpgamerd00d]

27. How many quarters did it take to get his degree from the gumball machine ?

[Bullshot]

28. First, there has to be documentation of a rape victim becoming pregnant.

Second, Hardin County, Ohio is one of the biggest ass-backwards hillbilly heavens in Ohio, especially around Kenton.

All they ever think about in that area is guns and coon dogs.

So, the good doctor is probably right at home where he works.

[uppityperson]

29. combine with other misogynistic rape myths...

women who get raped were asking for it somehow/women incite men to rape
pop bottle and pencil myth
if he bought her dinner she owe him sex
rape=sex
all women have rape fantasies, rapists are just fulfilling these fantasies
a husband can't rape his wife
she really wanted to have sex so it is ok to get rough
...

bunch of crap

[Lowell]

30. What an idiot

with doctors like that running around, next time I break down I'm just going to call a good mechanic.

[blm]

31. Tell that to my sister who was a virgin when she was raped by knifepoint

at 18, and delivered her baby in 1959 at a convent home for unwed mothers.

[TahitiNut]

32. What kind of "Doctor" is he??? Pepper?

What a total nincompoop!

[Coexist]

33. maybe of Mixology!

[KyndCulture]

35. Dr. of Stupidity obviously

[parasim]

34. Not only is Dobbins a quack...

... he's just plain nutty.

Check this from his website:

-snip-

In 1997, Dr. Dobbins was faced with the frailty of life when he underwent open heart surgery. His faith and reliance on God grew even deeper during this time. He poured out his heart by humbly asking God to spare his life in return for emptying his mind of all the wisdom God had given him. God answered that prayer and thus began the next turn in his life.

-snip-

http://www.drdobbins.com/bio.php

WTF???

[LostinVA]

38. I think his statement proves God did indeed empty his mind of all wisdom..

[bobbieinok]

37. !!!!!!!!like "you can't get pregnant your first time"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doodadem]

39. A good comeback, and philosophical question

Now, here's something I've always wondered about:
I've never believed the fairy tale, although it makes a nice story, about Jesus's conception. If Mary knew nothing about her pregnancy until informed, she supposedly knew nothing about how she became pregnant and certainly could not have consented, isn't that technically rape?
Greek and Roman mythology is full of such stories, gods raping mortal women, and producing more gods.

I know, blasphemy and all that, but I'm also wondering how a doctor like this one in Ohio would answer such a question.

[Sparkly]

43. :thud:

I want to forget I ever read that. :wow:

[NMDemDist2]

83. what's interesting is you can get pregnant with an intact hymen

those lil sperms can just swim and swim swim from the outside inside.

Which has nothing whatever to do with what an ass that Doctor is and how wrong headed his statement is.

[Ohio Joe]

42. uhhhg

I really need to move to a state where a greater amount intelligent life exists.

[opihimoimoi]

44. He shouldn't be a Doctor...he should be in the NUTHOUSE

[dogday]

45. Somebody needs to shove the Hippocratic Oath

right up this Dr.'s Ass.... Do no harm Doctor....

[Richard Steele]

53. SIDEWAYS!

He's not a 'Doctor', you know.
He's an asshole who just happens to have
a license to practice medicine.

Different.

[rucky]

46. Even if it's true in most cases...

why traumatize the victim any more by not taking measures?

[The Doctor.]

49. It's not true... he's full of BS. n/t

[KyndCulture]

56. It's DEFINITELY not true! nt.

[The Doctor.]

48. Actually, in some cases of rape

A woman becomes physically aroused.

NOW BEFORE ANYONE GOES APE-SHIT PAY ATTENTION;

The reason this "doctor" has no clue is because he never did any anthropological reproductive studies.

Many females (of many species), become unwillingly aroused when attacked and raped. It's a biological reaction to impending intercourse... in nearly all cases, when it happens, it cannot be helped.

This is one of the reasons many women feel guilty and ashamed after being raped, they couldn't help being aroused... and when that happens, a woman becomes more fertile, not less.
http://tinyurl.com/pngss

This jackass doesn't know what he's talking about.

One Anti-Choice site suggested merely 550 women per year become pregnant as a result of rape.
What bullshit.
The fact of the matter is nearly ten percent of rape cases result in pregnancy.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/svfacts.htm

And that amount to tens of thousands a year.

That 'Doctor' ought to be flogged and stripped of his BS title.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

57. The CDC link you provide says over 32,000 pregnancies each year are

...result of rape. I had no idea the number was that high.

Why some people, such as this 'Doctor', think it's asking too much to provide these women with a safe preventative measure as an alternative is beyond my understanding.

[American Tragedy]

70. Even if it were "merely" 550, that's more than enough to me.

But of course biologically there is little reason why unconsentual sex couldn't result in a fertilized egg and consequently pregnancy. It's not like there's a magical enzyme that suddenly appears whenever a woman says "No".

[The Doctor.]

73. I agree.

And in fact it's more the opposite. When a woman is raped, in many cases her body betrays her and behaves as though 'it's time to procreate'.

[TrogL]

50. First I've heard of this

and I've done my homework.

Wonder what a rape crisis centre would have to say?

[Iris]

54. Yeah, we had a doctor turned politician here in GA that spouted that

one as often as he could.

[depakid]

55. Add yet another to the running talley for Ohio

Yep- there MUST be something in the water....

[Pacifist Patriot]

58. AAARRRGGGG!!!!! Just what we need. More misinformation about...

both rape and fertility. Who the heck gave that man a license to practice medicine?

[madmom]

59. I still think women pharmacists need to stop filling viagra scripts on

the grounds that if god wanted you to be able, you would be.No artificial stimulants allowed.

[lostnfound]

63. LOL. What a great idea, as long as they check voter IDs first,

to act as a filter.

[Nikia]

60. Medical science does not depend on "most cases"

How many conditions would doctors not treat if they only treated things that happened to most people? How many people would die because of allergies and bad drug interactions? How many children with disabilities would be denied help? How many young people would die of strokes and heart attacks?
Even if only 1% of rape victims would get pregnant during an attack, those women deserve to have that pregnancy prevented.

[knitter4democracy]

98. He's an FP, though.

There are some (*cough, cough, Hubby, cough, cough*) who would say that many FPs do.

[noonwitch]

61. The real reason rape/pregnancy statistics are not higher

Women who have been raped don't talk about it, but a good number of rapes involve sodomy. The rapists tend to think this is the best way to humiliate their victims.

[mike_c]

64. this quack should have his license pulled on the strength...

...of the "I think life begins when..." phrase alone. Obviously his freshman biology course didn't "stick." The precursors to the event he describes-- oocytes and spermatocytes-- were themselves alive, as were their precursors at one end of the embryos that they developed from, and so on. There was no time in which life was NOT involved. All life is connected in an unbroken chain of causality that extends backward to the first self-replicating archeo-prokaryotes-- to suggest otherwise is to posit either spontaneous generation somewhere along the way or some sort of supernatural serial creation that even the Christians don't suggest.

[pitohui]

65. that is ridiculous

soldiers throughout history can refute that claim, they spread their genes and crushed the spirits of the people they invaded by raping the women, and plenty turned up pregnant, that's why it was a cruel but effective technique

a few years back didn't we hear that 40 percent of humanity is descended from genghis khan? it sure wasn't because he was a nice guy who kept it in his pants when the lady said "please no"

[Sequoia]

66. Like that judge in Italy a few years back:

Women can't get raped wearing jeans.

[American Tragedy]

69. Hell, I can remove the pair of jeans I have on without even unzipping

or unbuttoning.

Even in the case of tighter pants, if they could be pulled up, they can certainly be pulled down. It is a logistically absurd argument.

[Sequoia]

74. And I'll bet you're thin as a rail.

[American Tragedy]

76. I think it's actually more an issue of the fit of the jeans

They're very low rise, and they've stretched out a bit with wear.

Anyway, I prefer the term petite. :)

[Sequoia]

103. Cutie pie.

[gollygee]

71. My head is going to explode!!

AAAAAARGGH

The worst thing is that anti-abortionists grab on to this kind of MYTH and hold onto it for dear life as a reason why it's A-OK to take away women's rights over their own bodies.

[Rex]

72. Be that as it may, still don't matter. If a woman DOES get pregnant

during a rape and wants an abortion she has a right to. Funny how even Dr. Repukers can't understand simple logic. If A then B. Duh.

[w4rma]

75. How the heck did this whacko get through medical school? (nt)

[sakabatou]

77. I'm with you

WHAT THE FUCK?!

[babsbunny]

78. Ain't Ohio a fun place?

Yee Haww!!!!!!! Come on down!

[dsc]

79. I wish they had quoted his answer to that question

as I would have liked to have seen it.

[SPKrazy]

80. This Guy Must Have Gone To The Same School As

Arkansas former Health and Human Services Dept. head.

Faye Boozman, M.D., ran for the US Senate, said a similar thing, probably cost him the election, thank God!

(Faye is now dead from a heart attack or something, but he literally said the same thing)

Total B.S.

Yes hormones are released, but all it takes is a sperm and an egg, and pregnancy does happen in rapes IDIOT

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

81. Wow, I gues HIS med school tuition money wasn't wasted or anything!

[Kurovski]

82. This country is chock-full of doctards

more than happy to espouse crapola. :eyes:

[knitter4democracy]

84. Some info on that quack

Okay, I couldn't find right away if he's ever been sanctioned by anyone, but here's a clue: he's an FP in emergency medicine.

Now, I know this sounds bad coming from an internist's wife, but few emergency dept's like to hire FPs if they can avoid it. They only do it if they can't find an emergency doc. Also, I know very few FPs who do emergency medicine--if they wanted to do emergency, they would've done their residency in that.

This says a couple of things to me: he sucks at running his own practice or doesn't work well with others or has a couple of strikes against him. I can't think of many places in the country an FP can't get into practice--they're quite valuable, even if you disagree with how they're trained.

I'm going to keep looking into this guy.

[knitter4democracy]

86. More

From what I've seen, he didn't finish his residency. Now, that could just be bad info, as the same site had the wrong address for my husband (but the rest was right), but that also smacks of a problem.

[knitter4democracy]

94. My hubby clarified it.

He thinks that he finished his residency but that the way he did it, with a transition year, threw off the database. Apparently, according to the AMA, he's board-certified, but I couldn't double-check that.

He went to the University of Cinncinnati's med school, which wasn't good enough for my elitest hubby ( ;) ). He got odd vibes there when he interviewed and ended up at Case instead. His residency programs sound good, though.

[Raksha]

85. There was a time when everyone (even doctors)

believed that "normal" women had no sex drive. It was even written up that way in medical textbooks! Of course that was about 100 years ago during the Victorian era. It sounds like this "doctor" is a throwback to that period.

[The Traveler]

87. Further evidence of the decline of modern American medicine

What a vile idiot.

[Horse with no Name]

88. Sad thing is

There are people out there that will believe this man.

[Hekate]

89. Ignorant knuckle-dragging mysogynistic *hole graduate of Bob Jones U

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

Hekate

[knitter4democracy]

95. Even scarier . . .

He's not. He went to University of Cincinnati for med school and I forget where for undergrad, but it was a good school.

He's just a waste of a good MD certificate instead. *sigh*

[meow2u3]

90. Where did he get his medical degree?

From an online shop?

[knitter4democracy]

96. I did the background check I could.

He went to U of Cincinnati's med school. Scary, huh? I'm thinking of calling them.

[Patiod]

91. Get the word out: All you need are regular birth control pills

Ask a friend to give you some, and pay for her to get a replacement pack.

Glad to see the Princeton University web site has this information, and it's available at lots of other places as well.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Emergency Contraception in United States of America
Dedicated Products / Progestin Only

Take 2 pills within 120 hours after unprotected sex:
Plan B

Oral Contraceptives used for EC / Progestin Only
Take 40 pills within 120 hours after unprotected sex:
Ovrette

Oral Contraceptives used for EC / Progestin-Estrogen Combined
Note: in 28-day packs, only the first 21 pills can be used

Take 2 pills within 120 hours after unprotected sex and take 2 more pills 12 hours later:
Ogestrel
Ovral

Take 4 pills within 120 hours after unprotected sex and take 4 more pills 12 hours later:
Cryselle
Levlen
Levora
Lo/Ovral
Low-Ogestrel
Nordette
Portia
Seasonale

Take 5 pills within 120 hours after unprotected sex and take 5 more pills 12 hours later:
Alesse
Aviane
Lessina
Levlite
Lutera

[DanCa]

92. Did he go to the Bill Frist school of medicine?

Which is conviently located next to the Bill Frist school of ethics.

[KyndCulture]

93. and that's next to the garbage dump, right?

[knitter4democracy]

97. That's on one side.

The Right Wing Church of a Wacky God is on the other.

[helderheid]

99. OH MY GOD

[KyndCulture]

101. Has your head exploded yet? mine is just about to.

[helderheid]

104. Cleaning the walls. GOOD GOD. I am speechless!

[Eurobabe]

100. This state is hopeless, glad to get out of here

I have never seen so much ignorance in my entire life! Sorry Ohio, butI have "officially divorced" you as my birth state. And don't count on Ohio going blue anytime soon, unfortunately the aliens have taken hold here.

[Beelzebud]

102. This moron probably also believes in the Virgin Birth.