Christ's words for Mr. B* "You are of your father the Devil. and the

[WiseButAngrySara]

lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44

Pretty well sums up these "Christian", moralistic BFEE members, NO?

Edited to add: I do not believe in the existence of a Devil, but I most certainly believe in human evil, and IMHO, evil is almost perfectly exemplified by this current greedy, bloodthirsty, inhumane, administration. Christ spoke allegorically and frequently used parables as a mode of speaking. The literalists believe the words absolutely; not the greater truths behind the words which words symbolically represent. This is a huge problem in all religions...the taking of words as truth in themselves.

[reality based]

1. Amen

[AndyA]

2. I'll second that Amen, and add

God be with us!

[WiseButAngrySara]

6. God IS always with us, IMHO. ....n/t

[AndyA]

9. I agree. n/m

[WiseButAngrySara]

10. Good! I love your quote by T. Jefferson, BTW. Last night there was a

thread filled with great quotes by Jefferson. I'll find the link and post it for you.

[WiseButAngrySara]

11. Here's the link...Many good quotes in the original post, and in the

replies. I copied part of the original post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x710372

Posted by DUer FatDave The Party of Thomas Jefferson

Some Jefferson quotes that seem especially relevant today:

A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake. - From a letter of 1798, after the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: (1) Those that fear and distrust people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. (2) Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depository of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist; and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. - Letter to Henry Lee (August 10, 1824)

The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. - Letter to John Adams (April 11, 1823)(Scan at The Library of Congress)

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. - Letter to William Stevens Smith (November 13, 1787)

Delay is preferable to error. - Letter to George Washington (May 16, 1792)

I had rather be shut up in a very modest cottage with my books, my family and a few old friends, dining on simple bacon, and letting the world roll on as it liked, than to occupy the most splendid post, which any human power can give. - Letter to Alexander Donald (February 7, 1788)

He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falshood of tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions. - Letter to Peter Carr (August 19, 1785)

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law" because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Letter to Isaac H. Tiffany (1819)

Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost. - Letter to Dr. James Currie (January 28, 1786)

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. - Letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper (February 10, 1814)

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. - Letter to Horatio G. Spafford (March 17, 1814)

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. - Letter to Archibald Stuart (1791)

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. - Letter to Du Pont de Nemours (April 24, 1816)

I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another. - Letter to Elbridge Gerry (1799)

[goclark]

3. Let me hear an A MEN !

[WiseButAngrySara]

4. How about an A WoMen, while we're at it! ....n/t

[DanCa]

5. Awomen (nt)

[Maraya1969]

7. I think that * has the innards of a serial or mass killer. Remember

reading that he used to blowup frogs when he was a kid? That is Sick! And to those who say it was just a "kid thing" well I was a kid once too and hung around a lot of other kids and I NEVER saw anyone hurt an animal!

Then he becomes Governor of the state that committees 1/2 of the executions in the US. I wonder if he ever stopped one of them. He hunts for fun and doesn't even practice trying to be a president until after the US is attacked and he can start a war. Before that he was on vacation for 4 months!

Yea I'd say he was a murderer. I think that if he wasn't from the famous family he is he would have spent time in jail by now. He'll probably not do any jail this time for being the biggest mass killer in recent history either.

[WiseButAngrySara]

8. I could not agree with you more. He is a blood thirsty murderer. And

with his death penalty history (I think you are correct in that there were no pardons from this one as Texas Gov.) and his mass executions in Iraq, I think he qualifies as a mass murderer. He seems to lust for the death of 'his enemies'...Wanted Dead or Alive was more than allegorical; it's seems to be his mode of being.