Why all the nail biting about e-Lections?

[linazelle]

I get the sense that people are in denial about voting theft here. Thread after thread pits dems against the voting machine holders and expect that the dems will win.

It. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Oh...they'll "give" us a seat or two here and there to keep the thievery from being totally obvious. But they have the means to ensure that they stay in power and you can bet they are not going to give up easily.

In the meantime...I think I'll have my own :popcorn:

[babylonsister]

1. The fact that it's finally an issue speaks volumes.

And let's not forget how unpopular this admin has become. But popcorn works.

[unblock]

2. damn, i thought this was going to be an emily latella thread...

:rofl:

[Gregorian]

3. e-Lections. There's a word.

Well the way I see it is since the first election, there was someone trying to steal it. And I also see how incredibly similar things are right now to the Vietnam period. The war's going fine. Nixon even wiretapped without warrants.

The key is that we just had a bigger hurdle to climb before breaking down the problem.

Now if we could only avoid all of the suffering in the meantime, it would be funny. But it isn't. And it hurts. And people are dying. And this time, history repeated, not because we were stupid, but because it was forced down our throats. But we shall overcome.

[AndyTiedye]

4. Election Fraud IS the Reason for "All the Nail-Biting"

Given fair elections, we would be looking at totally routing the Republicans this Fall,
and Chimpeachment in January. :party::party::party:
With Bush** at 32% now, it should be a slam-dunk.

But we KNOW they are going to try to steal millions of votes.:grr:

They have installed thousands of new

Republican Electing Machinez
and everywhere these machines have been installed, we lose.

If nothing is done to stop the fraud, they could gain seats.:scared:
The media would make up something to explain it away. They always do.
Some newly-Astroturfed huge group of haters that love Bush**ler (These are a Karl Rove specialty).
It wouldn't be any more improbable than last November's Ohio returns.

Our only hope is to take them to court.
voteraction is bringing lawsuits to force the states to obey their own laws.
http://www.voteraction.org

[tom_paine]

5. Correct. Expect the GOP to lose a couple seats at most in Nov.

However, they have thus far been so audacious with their crimes in plain sight, that it wouldn;t surprise me if they gave themselves a few instead.

Of course, at this time, I don't think the thefts are as tightly controlled as all that.

By the time the entire Empire is covered with unauditable, paperless machines, complete and total control of election totals becomes a probable reality.

It's bad...and getting worse. Yes, the Death of America's Vote is perhaps the single largest problem at the heart of all the others.

[linazelle]

6. They will maintain control of all branches of government.

What I don't understand is how people feed into the hype about "close" elections time after time. If TIA were here, he would be able to statistically prove that you just cannot have back-to-back elections that are decided within a few hundred votes.

Not only do we see them here but elections in other countries have also shown the same "close" phenomena.

I suggest that those elections are also being interfered with to create the perception that elections are just close everywhere these days. :eyes:

When the majority of the American people want dems to control the electorate and when the majority of the people don't approve of the president or vice president, you don't get close elections. Yet, here we are. And here we will be for a while.

After all the country is "divided." :eyes:

[babylonsister]

7. linazelle, it cannot be that dire! No way! Spring has sprung

(soon), so please, please, please smell some roses!

We are getting ripped off but the truth might/can/could/will (in no particular order) prevail. Or the truth is hitting people right between the eyes. They are awakening. They are losing jobs, pensions, homes, money for prescriptions, etc.

[linazelle]

8. I'll take you up on the roses. I need a break and it's showing.

Thanks for the cheer. :hi:

[babylonsister]

10. Hey,

I couldn't bear it if it was all negative. And I read DU a lot. Make a garden, read a book, take a nap, or a vacation! :hug:

[tom_paine]

11. I pray you are right, babylonsister. My heart knows you're right.

My head tells another story.

I also (so are most of us DUers) am in the difficult position of knowing my history, knowing the system of Checks and Balances was put into place because the Founding Fathers, whatever their faults and flaws, understood that people will invariably get away with what they are allowed to get away with...but having to push those thoughts aside (you are correct, few could bear a life of 100% negativity) in order to function properly as a Democratic Campiagn Worker or a human being for that matter.

I do not wish to spread demoralization. I understand that demoralization sometimes is unwarranted and can become self-fufilling prophecy.

And yet...the facts speak for themselves. The abrogation of the duties of the Opposition Party in all things is distressing but in the area of auditless, privatized voting it is disasterous.

As my namesake (I suppose I am his namesake, really) once said: "The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery, for slavery consists in being subject to the will of another, and he that has not a vote in the election of representatives is in this case."

It cannot be said better. Without change in this area, it is impossible for the will of the people to be expressed.

Very few, if any, bring these things up for the sole purpose of dragging people down into despair (yes, some people do live for stuff like that but they are few & far between). We bring these things up to galvanize people, to make them understand what's at stake, and to perhaps percolate upwards what needs to be done, namely, to restore the voting mechanism to the public arena, which is the only place it has any degree of safety.

Will voting ever be perfect and 100% cheat-proof? Probably not. But it should NEVER be possible for one guy sitting at a computer desk in the basement of Langley to flip tens of thousands, perhaps millions of vote with a few mouse clicks and 0% CHANCE OF BEIONG CAUGHT.

[SoCalDem]

9. And it's ONLY an "issue" when an election is looming large

and there's "no time" to do anythign substantial.. The election happens, things are screwed up, and they vow to "fix it" ASAP..but nothing happens until a short while before the NEXT election..Bah!!!