Mexicans are really Native Americans with some Spanish blood

[billbuckhead]

We stole this land from them fair and square, so they have no right to be here.

[madokie]

1. Sure they are as is the Cherokees, as I am a little part of

[Ignacio Upton]

2. There were only 100,000 Mexicans living in the southwest

before the Mexican War. Also, the tribes that live in the southwest, such as the Hopi or Navajo or Pueblo (fed Spanish priests with rat-meat tortillas and piss as a response), had their land taken from them by Spain/Mexico. One of the reasons why Mexico encouraged Anglos to settle Texas was to provide a buffer zone from Native Americans.
Most of the Mexicans who come here were from central Mexico. However, some people (mostly Chicano nationalists, some of whom want to make the southwest part of Mexico again or have it as its own country) believe that the southwest was the original homeland of the Aztecs (known as "Aztlan" ) and that they were forced out and migrated to what is now central Mexico. However, if true, they weren't forced out by the white man, but were kicked out by other Native American tribes!

I should also note that I'm not whitewashing the suffering that Native Americans went through, at the hands of both English-speaking AND Spanish-speaking Europeans.

[TomInTib]

3. My family recieved Spanish Land Grants back then. n/t

[Ignacio Upton]

5. Can you elaborate?

I would like to hear more?

[TomInTib]

6. Tomorrow. The night is upon us. n/t

[Ignacio Upton]

4. I should ad that "Hispanic" should not be considered a racial group.

A cultural group yes, but "Hispanics" include people of Mestizo (part Native American, part white) Native Americans, white descendents (especially in Argentina or Uruguay, where there were fewer indigenous people) and blacks, and even people who are half white/half black, or half black/half Native American, or a combination of all three races.

(I edited out "mulatto" after getting a response on whether or not it was appropriate to post after asking a question over whether or not it's offensive and should I change it.)

[LostinVA]

8. I would say "mulattoes" is no longer an acceptable term

[radwriter0555]

11. And most mexicans strongly object to being called Latino or

Hispanic as well, since those monikers are european or non-Mexican in nature.

If you think REALLY hard, they are directly related to the North American indian tribes who migrated from Asia via the Bering Strait or possibly, as Hyderdhal attempted to prove with the Kon Tiki, from Indonesia.

Either theory holds the continent was populated either from South to North, or from North to South and it's not terribly important which direction... however, in an evolutionary position it's interesting to note that the northern American natives are slightly taller than the people who populated south and central americas. I have NO idea what that means.

Regardless, none of the original inhabitants of the Americas were european in descent, as were the far-later colonists from northern europe or the spanish/italian/Portugese nations.

BTW, there is also one theory that suggests that the mexicans descended from egyptians, using as proof the startling similiarities in the astounding ancient ruins of Chi Chinitza compared to the great Pyramids of the egyptian deserts.... I haven't looked into that one at all. Anyone's else's input would be welcome.

[William769]

7. Guess again.

[azndndude]

9. Check out this website, sort of explains it all

from an Indigenous perspective.
http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm

[Garbo 2004]

10. Mexico is also a country of immigrants. Not all native american or

mestizo.

[DaveColorado]

12. I am Hispanic/Latino

My great grandfather on my mother's side was a Mexican immigrant, and my grandmother's family on my father's side received land grants from Spain when Texas was part of Spain.

I find the House bill that recently passed to be overly punitive and racist, but I'm prepared to do something about it.

[DaveColorado]

13. Nope

"And most mexicans strongly object to being called Latino or
Hispanic as well, since those monikers are european or non-Mexican in nature."


That's bullhocky.

:)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

14. That's correct - there are Chinese, Jewish, and Afro Mexican communities

and other minorities in Mexico, although the vast majority have either Indian blood or Spanish or both. About 200,000 African slaves were brought to Mexico by the Spanish and they now constitute a racial minority of about one million in Mexico, but they are not very visible in Mexican society and tend to be dispersed. There was also a migration of Jews to Mexico and they form a small community of maybe 50,000. There was a migration of Chinese laborers to Mexico at one time and, in fact, cities like Mexicali at one time had a larger Chinese population than an Hispanic one. It think their community is about the size of the Jewish population at present. And as far as the Spanish themselves, it seems that most of the conquistadores who came to the New World came from southern Spain, which means that they had Moorish blood in them from the hundreds of years of North African occupation of Spain. It might therefore be difficult to tell a pure blood Spaniard with a great amount of Moorish blood from a Native America. I have traveled through both Spain and Mexico and I have noticed that some people in both countries look alike, although living on very widely separated continents.

Personally, I don't like the idea of awarding land or rights and privileges on the basis of DNA. I don't think a racial test has any place in our modern world. I think we have to focus more on the fact that Mexico is a country ruled by a vastly wealthy elite where the tax rate (about 12% compared to 24% in the U.S.) exists to allow the small usurpers to continue exploting the poor. The third richest man on earth is Mexican and Mexico is the richest country in Latin America, with 10 of the 26 billionaires in Latin America. Yet, Mexico spends about $20 billion a year from their federal revenue in bribes, while providing few social services for its poor. There is no affirmative action law in Mexico to help women get into the competitive workforce and out of the house and having babies.

George Bush wants the same to happen in the United States. He wants no estate tax, low income tax, and a country where the rich elite remain in power. I think ultimately that the poor white coal miner from West Virginia, the black union worker laid off in Detroit, and the Mexican of whatever percentage of Indian blood who comes to work without documentation in the U.S. have more in common and more at stake together than they do with the rich in their own countries.