Innocent until PROVEN Guilty --Bonds

[panader0]

These words are one of the most basic rights inherent in our legal system. Many seem so gung-ho to condemn Barry Bonds for steroid use before any judicial process has occured. First, Bonds has never tested positive for any banned substance. He is still playing, despite the naysayers, at,what, age 42, when most players have called it quits. Yeah, he is not a media darling. He is the Miles Davis of baseball. No other player has achieved his prowess. Thousands, if not more, players have taken performance enhancing substances. Does caffeine count? Tobacco? Bennies? How many hall of fame players do you want to exclude because there was no testing in their era. Bonds has not been found guilty of anything, and IF he is, it MAY be that he lied. Lied about doing something that was NOT illegal when he did it. If you want to discredit him, you should also discredit thousands of other less high-profile athletes, in every sport from bicycle racing to basketball to car racing, and maybe horses too when cocaine was given before each race. Doesn't anyone think Babe Ruth took something? Ty Cobb? Pete Rose? How many more? DOES IT MATTER? No subtance could make Barry Bonds the great player that he is. Perhaps the best of all time (500+ steals, 500+ homers, an exclusive club) Innocent, until proven guilty.

[BlooInBloo]

1. He should consider himself Juiced, and move on...

[NNN0LHI]

2. First they came for the multi-millionaires and I didn't say anything

Hey wait a minute. Fuck Barry Bonds. I don't even watch baseball. It puts me to sleep.

Don

[panader0]

3. You fuck Barry Bonds

[poleepafrog]

4. Would you say that no matter...

...who had been accused of a wrongdoing--but had not yet been to trial--nor been convicted of anything? No matter WHO???

[faithnotgreed]

5. i heard that same argument - that he never tested for a banned substance

and it just doesnt make sense to me (please know im not saying this with attitude - just saying it doesnt make sense to me)

it is my understanding that
it may well be true that he didnt test positive for an mlb banned substance but we know they dont/cant test for everything
and even so i believe some of those untested substances are still illegal and are steroids in some form
so IF bonds took any of these substances the emphasis shouldnt be on the fact they werent testable under mlb rules

it comes down to this for me:
i dont want mr henry aaron to have his great and honestly earned achievement to be surpassed by anyone who doesnt earn it just as honestly
not to even mention all the men bonds passed along the way

i would like lots of players to be grilled over this but apparently bonds is the only one under grand jury testimony who is known (as of now) to have lied
and i think thats the key to why this is happening

as we know there is no subpoena power under current broad investigation conducted by george mitchell so i think this is the only way they can get some truth out of baseball
it has to get tough if there is to be any real investigation and i think this was possibly the only way they could generate that because its the only question of law that is involved that they could go after
just like any other criminal investigation
you have to go after the act that you have evidence about - maybe not the only one involved and not the worst of the crimes but if its all you have to get started you have to do it if youre serious about the rest of the investigation

if giambi (or anyone else) lied to a grand jury then i hope he is subjected to the same treatment

i have zero respect for any of these players
its really sad how long baseball looked the other way - in fact selig is basically on record saying early on he would do all he can to protect bonds just as he did mcgwire
oops

i dont know what people expect
just like politics or relationships or anything else - if you play with fire long enough......

and that is my muchmorethan .02