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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:39 PM
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NBC nightly news: "$4.00/gallon gasoline a real possibility"
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 05:42 PM by Bluebear
Oil futures have eclipsed even Hurricane Katrina levels, as the industry is pre-occupied with what will come of the Iran situation.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:41 PM
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1. That happens and the Repubbies are out for sure.
I'd see us getting the trifecta: The House, The Senate, and the Presidency by 2008
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:52 PM
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4. I agree. Hit Joe Repuke in his wallet and take away his gasoline,
he will be one unhappy puppy.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:07 PM
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10. ...and the timing
is critical. We're moving closer to the driving season, when gas prices typically spike anyway.

As we approach the elections, the average Republican is going to think about gas prices.....his eyes will narrow as he thinks about Bush the Oil man....and he's going to vote.....
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atfqn Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:45 PM
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62. I don't think so.
I think they are just preparing the sheeple for the future when prices do go above and beyond the $4.00 mark. We will have been forewarned and there will be continued grumbling but little to no rioting.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:48 PM
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63. Not the ones I know
As long as the republicans play the religion card, promise to keep the homosexual agenda in check and at least pretend to make attempts to criminlize abortion, they'll still have enough votes to keep many of the gerrymandered seats of the House.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:43 PM
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2. Another one of Junior's great gifts to America
Tear up Kyoto, invade Iraq and forget about developing any sort of responsible energy policy.

And let's remember Cheney's pre-9/11 quote about conservation being an interesting "lifestyle choice" while we're at it.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:46 PM
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3. That picture speaks volumes, does it not?
Freak you and the horse you rode in on Sir!!!!! He could not care less about us....
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:53 PM
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5. it's not even May yet
but the gas prices are skyrocketing AGAIN...something's definitely up my friends :-(
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:54 PM
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6. I haven't owned anything with more than 4 cylinders since 1969
but I have a great deal of sympathy for folks who do, especially folks with big car loans and a negative tradein value plus a long commute to work.

Forewarned is forearmed, and anyone who didn't heed the warnings we started getting in the 1970s when the degree of our dependence on foreing oil became obvious to us all is going to be hurt quite badly.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 05:57 PM
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7. I've already set my vacation travel cutoff at $3.00
Looks like I won't be able to visit the parents this summer. Thank you Mr. oil-man president.

$4.00 gas will devastate the US economy. Not that Bush or his oil buddies give a shit. It's all bank to them.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:01 PM
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8. Zinc Air Fuel Cells are the way to go...
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 06:03 PM by EVDebs
eVionyx.com and other researchers like Arotech's bus are a better way than platinum-based PEM hydrogen fuel cells. Of course BushCo is steering everything into hydrogen since it stretches out the fossil fuel/Middle Eastern oil "jones" longer than necessary.

Biodiesel for trucks etc. and we've got a rational conservation program. Why bother with Iran ? In another thirty or so years they'll wish they hadn't picked nuclear power.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:06 PM
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9. At four dollars a gallon - a new logo atop Detroit's Ren Cen (GM HQ)
<>
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:15 PM
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11. Can you smell insider trading?
They decide when to make menacing noises and when to sound peaceful. In short, thay can raise and lower the price of oil on a whim.

They have monied friends in position to profit from knowing such things in advance.

Mmmmmmm.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:42 PM
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16. Oh without a doubt. nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:32 PM
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12. $4/ gallon gas will probably mean both houses of congress
switching to Dems and $3/gallon probably means at least one house of congress with big gains in the other.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:57 AM
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58. $4.00 + per gallon.
Would have a devastating effect on the repugs control of Congress.
A lot of voters might dismiss Iraq, Abramoff, immigration, homeland security and the constitution, etc.

Fuck with their ability to travel and/or drive, and they will let their displeasure be known.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:51 PM
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64. When the 1994 baseball strike occurred, guess how long it took?
For people to return to the benches as if nothing at all ever happened...

Sorry to be cynical. But people will pay for what they want. Even if they don't realize it's a need.

Maybe if the government took neighboring businesses and reclassified them as residential... rather than the other way around as they are doing... we could resolve a big chunk of our energy usage there and then.

:dunce:

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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:40 PM
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13. $4.00/gallon before the end of the month
It's going to happen.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:44 PM
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14. When gas prices hit $4.00, the summer tourist industry is going to Yell
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 06:45 PM by mcscajun
bloody murder, as people stay very close to home this year.

Meanwhile, watch for price spikes in nearly everything else, as just about everything we buy is shipped by truck.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:52 PM
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19. 2 weeks before Memorial Day.
It will fall off after that, then rise again (slightly) throughout the summer.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 03:16 AM
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43. Well, if people can't get to the big tourist places,
say, like the national forests, then there will be fewer witnesses to the mass logging and other natural resource exploitation the administration plans. Vicious cycle. :grr:

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Cant_wait_for_2008 Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:36 AM
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50. Trucks, Jets and Locomotives all burn distillate fuels, so no matter
what transport is used, the costs are going to go, up, up and away !!
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:41 PM
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61. Precisely my point.
Many people are only thinking cars and people...I'm thinking goods and cargo.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:54 AM
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52. In states, cities, counties where tourism is a big industry,
not only will they be screaming bloody murder, but those states, etc., won't take in as much tax revenue.

Therefore, they'll have to cut their budgets. They'll cut services, and some government workers might have to be laid off.

Thanks, Bushco.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 06:50 PM
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15. We're already well on the way.
I paid $3.35 in Southern CA this morning.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:49 PM
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17. Yowza
Imagine what could have been with Al Gore our president. We'd damn near be on totally alternative energy by now.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:36 PM
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27. Jimmy Carter was way out in front
We'd have had a quarter century of lead time if not for Ronald Reagan.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:58 PM
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21. Yikes!
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:50 PM
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18. I'm sick and tired of individuals "speculating" prices...
And causing futures frenzies.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:53 PM
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20. I think the opposite was true in this report.
The commentator was explaining what pricing implication the current futures price portends.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:13 PM
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22. And people will suck it up and pay it.
Every day of last summer I saw people lined up at the gas pumps. After Katrina people went and waited for the gas. They need to get to work, they are doing their work, whatever.

And they grumble, and complain, and do nothing. It's ridiculous.

Americans have what they deserve, overall. I wish they'd get with it and wake up.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:58 AM
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47. What are their options? Pay to move next to your work? Buy a new
hybrid? These options cost $$$.

What exactly do you want people to do? Many places in the country don't have mass transportation.

You can drop the extras but there are many places you have to drive to that just aren't optional right now.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:01 AM
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54. I'm awake.
What is your Bidding, my Master?
Yes, I need to get to work. Living out of the back of my vehicle in my job's parking garage is not an option.

And I grumble, and I complain, *AND* I vote for Democrats, and NOTHING changes. THAT is what's "ridiculous".
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YouthInAsia Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:17 PM
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23. I paid $3.04 today in Philly. n/t
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:22 PM
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24. They started predicting $3.00+ gas about a month
before oil prices started back up. The price of gas is being manipulated.
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:32 PM
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25. $4.00/gal. won't be the end of it.
I would not be shocked to see $8-$9/gal. by labor day.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:39 PM
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28. Any particular reason why? n/t
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:47 PM
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31. 2 words
WORLD UNREST

This is the excuse they're using now, and the oil companies will milk it for all it's worth.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:38 PM
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33. And the oil-soaked First Fmaily will profit from unrest they contribute to
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:56 AM
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53. That happens, and the economy goes ALL the way down the toilet. nt
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:34 PM
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26. It's time for a general strike....
...if nothing moves, the oil companies don't get paid.

They need to be made to understand that they are the tail trying to wag the dog.
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Cant_wait_for_2008 Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:38 AM
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51. Never happen, no way!
4.00 a gallon is here to stay.:(
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:41 PM
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29. hahahaaa....Freedom is on the March .....!
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:47 PM
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30. Nationalize the oil companies
NOW!
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:54 PM
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32. The GOP line will be...
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 08:56 PM by misanthrope
..."Blame it all on locals and enviro-whackos. The tree-huggers scare the average citizen into prohibiting the development of new refineries. If we could increase our refining capacity, we could lower gas prices, but everyone has 'Not-In-My-Back-Yard' Syndrome.'"

Nowhere in the mainstream media will you hear it discussed that big corporations mostly get what they want. No one wants other industries in their backyard, but no one is slowing that down either. My Lord, if the average Joe can't stop Wal-Mart from settling in their neck of the woods (and believe me PLENTY have tried without much success), then they surely can't stop Exxon or British Petroleum. Wealthy corporations own government on every level. In almost every instance, they can get what they want and when they want it.

Besides, if an increase in refining capacity would make gas prices drop, then what incentive is there for oil companies to do so? So they can shrink profit margins? It can't be to make consumption increase because it's already going full bore. You won't hear little Brian Williams talk about that tidbit, though.

And if shipping costs increase, what will be their answer to keep prices down? You got it; more jobs head offshore to the cheapest sweatshops they can find.

The only way to possibly stave off what is heading our way is to dramatically reduce consumption on a widespread scale...and that just ain't gonna' happen by choice with American appetites the way they are presently.

Even scarier is how this is going to affect hurricane evacuations and preparation in a cycle of increasing storm intensity and frequency. We could have a situation that will make Katrina look like a walk in the park before the end of decade.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:40 PM
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34. Off subject, but I have about 6 or 8 of these pics glued to my window
panes... heehehehe... See how the bushitler neighbor likes his vote now.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:43 PM
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35. Ouch! The only side benefit is that the Repukes look feeble
They are pouring millions of dollars a day into an oil producing nation with nothing to show for it. Really, really bad management.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:55 PM
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36. Onions, potatoes, heavy produce prices up - paid $2 for 3lb onions
Why am I thinking that fuel prices have something to do with it?

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paul_fromatlanta Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:58 PM
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37. Gas always goes up in summer even without hurricanes or war with iran
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:02 AM
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38. Yes, yes it does. But never before to $4.00
Who can afford this?
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paul_fromatlanta Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:05 AM
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39. That was my point - its already a high base and a time when gas always goe
goes up more. Throw in a bad hurricane or bombing in Iran and we may wish gas was only $4 a gallon.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:21 AM
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40. $3.13 today in Eureka, CA
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:03 AM
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41. I miss Eureka... That's where I enlisted in the Army in '99.
I've since gotten out, but I don't soon forget Eureka with the courageous actions that Arcata has taken. Especially in regards to this administration and its foreign and domestic policy. You're lucky to be there, but I do feel for the high price you're paying for gas. It's 2.80 here and this is in the heart of oil country... America will be hurting because of their boy king.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:09 PM
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66. $3.23 in Eureka, CA today (2 days later) - this is the cheap stuff too
n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:57 AM
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42. And when he nukes Iran, the price will skyrocket. The Bush/Cheney/
Rumsfeld cartel will smile. All according to plan...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 03:17 AM
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44. the higher the prices go
the lower the approval numbers for bush and GOPers

most of the people I work with are only peripherally aware of the political issues

However - when things like gas hit them in their pockets...they get angry.

I had mentioned last week, a few of them cornered me and asked why gas was so high and going up. They also asked about impeachment process.

around the lunch table - conversations are usually about football, basketball, hunting, fishing and Nascar. Now it's sprinkled with complaints about gas prices, the economy (i.e. when are we going to see the trickle?), Iraq-mess, bombing Iran and how bush/GOPers are screwing us.

if this isn't a sign that the tide has turned - I don't know what is
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:01 AM
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48. Right. This is one thing everyone notices and it pisses them off to no
end.

This will kill the Republicans in November but it will cause a lot of pain along the way.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 03:21 AM
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45. Well, it's a good thing that I'm weaning my way into my day job...
which can mostly be done from home at my computer. :)
That, and I drive a Honda Accord. And as soon as I can afford it, I'll probably upgrade to something even more fuel-efficient.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:42 AM
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46. Is demand exceeding refinery capacity currently?
Is world oil demand exceeding world oil production?

My impression is that US demand is about 20 million barrels a day, as is refinery capacity. My impression is that global demand and production capacity are now within 1 or 2 million barrels of each other, at about 85 million barrels per day.

The current price spike might be manipulation. But we might be entering an era where no conspiracy is necessary to drive prices sky-high.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:15 AM
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49. I saw Premium yesterday for $3.20 yesterday at a Mobil, Westchester Co. NY
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:39 AM
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56. Up in Peru, NY (near Plattsburgh), it was the same price...
:grr:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:03 PM
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65. Be prepared to see higher than that.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:05 AM
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55. We went over 3.00 a gallon (inexplicably), here in Phoenix as of this A.M.
Bend over and grab the ankles....
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:44 AM
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57. They trot this out every summer.
it's the TRADERS that are causing this issue.. the cost of oil/gas is not going up in actuality, it's the TRADING and SPECUATION that is doing this. Cuz if it were actual costs, then the fatcat oil companies would not make a killing every time the prices go up. THEIR costs are NOT going up... only ours. We have a useless oil man in the white house who refuses to intervene with the robber baron oil companies. They are making multi BILLION dollar profits in each QUARTER that the prices have been jacked up.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:58 AM
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59. the Harken legacy....when an oil man becomes Presnit
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:04 PM
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60. US4$/gal an INEVITABILITY.
Demand's increasing, and the supply's shrinking. Why are the media still feigning surprise?

Until the demand eases, prices can only go up.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:29 PM
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67. Try $4.50! - Brooklyn gas station floors it...
oil prices soar above $72 per barrel. In other news, gas prices in Norway expected to soar to $8.80 per gallon this summer.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/410113p-346997c...
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